From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #200 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Wednesday, July 16 2003 Volume 03 : Number 200 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Random Thoughts: Intimate Stranger & 10 Little Warlords [IfeRae@] Re: [chakram-refugees] Random Thoughts: Intimate Stranger & 10 Little Warlords [IfeRae@] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #192 [IfeRae@aol.co] [chakram-refugees] Fwd: [XN] Lucy film [Sojourner ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Random Thoughts: Intimate Stranger & 10 Little Warlords [cr ] RE: [chakram-refugees] Re: FIN OT: Spirits ["Ribaud, Lynn" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:53:46 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Random Thoughts: Intimate Stranger & 10 Little Warlords In a message dated 7/14/2003 7:11:22 PM Central Daylight Time, bloodyvisigoths@netzero.net writes: > Other great examples of ROC's comedic talent are "Fins, Femmes and Gems," > where she was under Aphrodite's spell and so very full of herself ("Oh, > listen to a story 'bout Gab-ri-elle..." I still get a laugh out of that), > and "In Sickness &In Hell," ("Theena, I gand veel my nongue...thon um a > nitth!"), and her trying to whistle with a mouthful of spit. And let's not > forget the Mike Tyson number she did when wrestling with that rabbit. > Yes, I love those! And let's not forget "Comedy of Eros," where Gabrielle gets huffy over Xena's ridicule of the bard's sudden lust for Joxer and tries to repel Draco with "Did I mention I'm a widow?" - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:53:49 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Random Thoughts: Intimate Stranger & 10 Little Warlords In a message dated 7/14/2003 1:30:05 PM Central Daylight Time, cande@sunlink.net writes: > The second thought is how boring Xena could be if it wasn't for Lucy. In > 10 Little Warlords, Hudson of course took over the role of Xena. This is no > slam at Hudson who step into a role to help out in an emergency. I was just getting used to the internet (thanks to XWP) and discussion lists at that time. I'd heard about Lucy's accident, hadn't seen the Herc trilogy and was deathly afraid this unknown Lucy Lawless person might be replaced with the equally unknown Hudson Leick person. I also feared the show might be cancelled, if they couldn't find someone suitable to play Xena. I couldn't believe how ecstatic I was to see Lucy at the end of TLW. From that point on, I never lost my gratitude that Lucy and XWP continued as intended, nor my anxiety that something else might threaten this surprising addiction of mine. I laugh about that now, of course, but I suppose that's partly why I'm so forgiving of season 5 and other aspects I considered less than stellar. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:53:54 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #192 In a message dated 7/14/2003 4:11:37 AM Central Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > > > > >>So, in effect, you're saying that Xena is *never* allowed to do what > >>everybody else in the world was allowed to do, and get drunk > >>occasionally?>> > > > >Yep. > > > >>That doesn't seem fair. >> > > > >Nope. However, as I said, this was the burden she put on herself when she > >chose to live and fight for good. > > But she hadn't decided that at that time, anyway. So that's irrelevant. >> It's relevant because she judged her old self by the same standards as the reformed one. We're talking about why she took responsibility for something she unwittingly did in the past. Otherwise, what she did back then would indeed be irrelevant and we wouldn't be having tortuous discussions about it. True? > > >Given her capacity for doing great harm, > >I think it was an appropriate price to pay. "Out of control" Xena was not > >a good thing under any circumstances. Ask Gabs. > > Now you're definitely trying to wind me up. You *know* what I think of > Gabs' judgement. (Sorry, Gabfans, blame lfe :) >> I didn't mean Gabs' judgment. I meant Gabs' little injuries from being knocked senseless in "Reckoning" and dragged over rocks, through fire, over hill and dale in "Bitter Suite." I won't count that brusque little nudge and shake Xena gave Gabs in "Price." None of that hurt me, of course, but I can't deny it might've given Gabs a twinge or two. > > > Xena would never have got drunk before a battle. > > > > >>But she had no reason to expect trouble on that occasion.>> > > > >Juvenile Delinquent Xena smoked opium, then wandered into Lao Ma's tent and > >got her butt kicked (which probably would've happened anyway, but Xena > >didn't know that). > > So? Maybe she should have expected trouble from Lao Ma. What that has to > > do with burying her friend I don't know. > > Oh, I see, my comment about not getting drunk before a battle. OK, I was > wrong. But the opium didn't seem to slow her up much. In fact, > considering the state of her legs, it may have helped her. >> LOL! Part of my point was that Xena was seldom slowed physically (even when drugged or poisoned), that it was her emotional/mental state that determined her degree of control and judgment. > > >She swaggered around and threw caution to the wind, > >arrogantly confident that she would prevail (which Caesar used to defeat > >her). Reformed Xena was always prepared for the unexpected, even when it > >snuck up on her. More importantly, she was vigilant about her own capacity > >to do harm, even tho she "lost it" a couple of times (e.g, in her rage at > >the villagers she thought killed her "father"). It's not the drunkenness > >I'm talking about, so much as Reformed Xena's commitment to anticipate and > >prevent herself from harming people who were not warriors. > > But this wasn't reformed Xena. You can't judge her by those standards. I > > just judge her by the same standards I would anybody else. >> See above. Again, I'm going by Xena's perspective, which influences my own. > >>But in Higuchi, Xena *wasn't* superior on that occasion.>> > > > >Why not? Are you saying she lost her superior lethal capacity because of > >her grief and lack of protection or weapons? > > Yes. That and being drunk. > IIRC, you implied that she should have had her weapons on her. (Or was it > Cande?) >> I said Reformed Xena probably wouldn't have left home without them. However, I see Xena herself as her best and most dangerous weapon (mentally as well as physically). When she was out of control or heedless of how she used herself, that didn't negate what she was still capable of. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't she manage to do immense damage with her breath, some booze and a torch? > > > >Superior numbers weren't > >exactly a problem for her. Superior (supernatural) powers weren't either. > >These folk weren't any more dangerous than the ones she didn't want to hurt > >in "Reckoning" or "Sacrifice." > > Errrm, remind me, but weren't the ones in The Reckoning and Sacrifice in the > > power of some god or other? Therefore, not responsible for their actions. > > The mob in Higuchi were entirely responsible for their actions. Different > case. >> No, the ones in "Reckoning" thought she was a murderer. Neither she nor they knew at the time that Ares was the culprit. I didn't hear her make such distinctions anyway. She avoided doing real damage to some attacking villagers in "Altered States" as well. She regarded nonwarriors as nonwarriors, regardless of why they might be threatening her, considering it unfair to hurt them. > >If she'd been the "average person" stumbling down the street, the Higuchi > >folks might've acted differently. But the "average person" wouldn't have > >singlehandedly defeated master sumurai to steal a prized sword, stormed > >into a well-protected wealthy household, and appeared as some strange demon > >with no regard for life or customs. If they knew about Akemi's prior > >actions, they no doubt knew about Xena's too. > > Oh no no no no lfe, you don't get away with that. I think you're trying > far > too hard. > > There are no grounds for assuming that the mob knew anything of Xena's > capabilities. Firstly, mobs rarely do know anything other than rumours. >> > And that's enough. They apparently knew that Akemi had killed her father, that she had died and that a strange woman was about to honor her ashes. Sure, that's as far fetched as a lot on XWP, but it's no more far fetched to assume the rumor mentioned Xena's role as well. Who did they think she was? A foreign-exchange student Akemi met at school? I suppose we could assume they did treat anyone like that who broke the rules. We don't know. > And do you *really* think, if Xena had been known to be harmless, the mob > would have acted any differently? >> I don't know. I'm simply saying that, given what we do know, the mob didn't necessarily act any less reasonably than Xena. > > >They had every right to fear > >such a person, to expect that a polite request would be rebuffed. If they > >acted rashly out of fear and anger, I can't dismiss that as less > >justifiable than Xena's drunken anguish. > > I can. A mob picking on one person is almost *never* justifiable. Since > when did a mob ever make a polite request? >> I don't like mobs. I don't like drunk folks on the loose. I've said that I hold both Xena and the mob accountable. If we're going to such great lengths to excuse/explain Xena's behavior, I think it only fair to explore possibilities for why the mob acted as they did. The only reason I'm being so charitable toward the mob is because I think you're being overly charitable toward Xena. Once we begin excusing the recklessness of one person, we might as well excuse the recklessness of a collection of persons. And, yes, I think Xena was reckless for stumbling about in that state, and that she was especially reckless because she's Xena. That has nothing to do with whether I feel she or the mob deserved what happened. > > > >Both sides protected themselves the best way they knew how. I blame Xena > >(and Akemi) for creating the situation and the stickwielders for responding > >in kind. > > What, you blame Akemi for killing a monster like Yodoshi? Or Xena for > trying to give her a decent burial? Come on..... >> I said I blame them for creating the situation. Akemi for plotting vengeance that involved someone she duped. Xena for allowing her greed to make that vengeance a reality. The burial was merely the tragic consequence of a series of less than noble actions on both their parts. True, Akemi paid for her vengeance with her life, but she made sure it was an honorable death. Too bad she didn't wait around to witness any repurcussions. > > >I hold all responsible for the innocent lives lost as a result. > >However, the stickwielders weren't the reasonYodoshi trapped those souls. > > Well, other than the fact they were (IMO) the most blameworthy cause of the > fire.... >> Which would've been a tragic loss of life, but not of souls, were it not for Akemi and Xena. > > >They weren't around afterwards to "make it right," nor did they have the > >superior skills required. Xena was and did. She didn't quibble about > >degrees of blame. Unlike her younger self, she made the uncommon decision > >to take responsibility -- to "act responsibly." > > > >-- Ife > > You see, I don't think Xena needed to be blameworthy to make the decision > she > did. I don't think she even needed to blame herself. She would have made > > that decsision anyway, IMO. >> Agreed. I'm going with the scenario TPTB gave us. In it, Xena held herself accountable -- and not simply because she was the best or only person to take on that responsibility. > > But as for the mob, they can rot in whatever passes for Hell in those parts > so far as I'm concerned. At the very best you could call them a bunch of > religious bigots. They were showing the nasty side of their nature and > some > of them paid for it. Just an unfortunate accident (yes accidents do > happen) that the rest of Higuchi paid for it too.>> Good thing Xena wasn't consigned to hell for all her "accidents," eh? Wouldn't have been much of a series. :-) - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:09:30 +0100 From: Sojourner Subject: [chakram-refugees] Fwd: [XN] Lucy film >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:28:11 +0100 >To: xenanet-l@lists.dircon.co.uk >From: Barbara Davies >Subject: [XN] Lucy film >http://www.screendaily.com/story.asp?storyid=13191 > >New Zealand hosts Boogeyman shoot for Raimi, Tapert > > >Jeremy Kay in Los Angeles 15 July 2003 > > >Boogeyman, the first picture to be backed by Sam Raimi, Rob Tapert and >Senator International's genre label Ghost House Pictures, has begun >filming in Auckland, New Zealand. > >Barry Watson (Sorority Boys, 7th Heaven) has been cast in the lead role >of a man who returns to his childhood home to confront a terrifying >power. > >Marcy Morris and Jeff Bernstein at Armstrong Hirsch negotiated on behalf >of Watson, who is represented by ICM and managed by Mary Goldberg. > >Emily Deschanel (Cold Mountain), Tory Mussett (The Matrix Reloaded, >Peter Pan), Lucy Lawless (Xena: Warrior Princess) and Skye McCole >Bartusiak (Don't Say A Word) will also star. > >Raimi and Tapert are producing the film, which is being fully financed >by Senator International. Screen Gems will release theatrically in North >America. > >Stephen Kay, whose credits include the remake of Get Carter and The Last >Time I Committed Suicide, is directing. > >The screenplay was written by Eric Kripke, Juliet Snowden, Stiles White >and Darren Lemke. > >"Screen Gems is thrilled to keep Sam Raimi in the Sony family, and we >hope that this is only the first of many successful collaborations with >Sam and Rob Tapert," Clint Culpepper, president of Screen Gems, said in >a statement. > >Ghost House's slate includes The Grudge, the English-language remake of >the hit Japanese film Ju-on, which is due to go into production this >autumn, and the vampire thriller 30 Days Of Night. > >Columbia Pictures is co-developing 30 Days Of Night and will also handle >North American distribution and several international territories. > >-- >Barbara >To unsubscribe send a message to majordomo@lists.dircon.co.uk with >"unsubscribe xenanet-l" in the message body ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:30:08 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] FIN 2 On Monday 14 July 2003 20:56, Jackie M. Young wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 16:56:02 +1200, cr wrote: > > On Sunday 13 July 2003 13:50, Cheryl Ande wrote: > >> Perhaps everyone has the right to get drunk but you are responsible for > >> what you do when drunk. Diminished capacity is not a defense (and one > >>that Xena would not use). > > > >Incorrect. It is a defense, actually, whether Xena would want to use it > >or not. Just not when driving, since the law specifically forbids you > >to drive in such a state. It does not forbid you to walk down the > >street in such a state. > > --I respectfully disagree. Have you heard of "drunk and disorderly"? > That's also a cause for arrest, at least in the US. ;P That charge does > not necessarily involve a vehicle. Only if disorderly. Not if able to walk and mind ones own business. Which Xena was doing. > You can also call the cops on the charge of just "loitering". Many of the > homeless in our area are just sitting, some drunk, some not, but they > certainly don't belong on private property, and not on public property if > they're not using it for the purposes for which it was intended. I won't get into that...... > Admittedly, X was bothering no one just by walking drunk, but she still > had to be responsible for her behavior on a public street. If she was > sitting in her own house, drunk, and the mob attacked her on her own > property, then the fault was clearly with the mob. > > Since she was on public property, we then need to decide whether she acted > responsibly or not. Therein lies the rub. ;/ Well, she was walking about as steadily as anyone could in that wind, I think. She certainly wasn't falling down. Not till the mob attacked her,. anyway. (snip) > IMO, she was partially responsible for the deaths in Higuchi, and that was > what she felt she had to atone for. > > Just MO, > --Jackie I'll settle for partially responsible, but I don't find her blameworthy. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:21:47 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Random Thoughts: Intimate Stranger & 10 Little Warlords On Tuesday 15 July 2003 06:29, cande@sunlink.net wrote: > Having watched these two episodes this weekend I was struck by a couple of > thoughts. The first being is what a good mimic Lucy really is. She did a > very good job as Callisto right down to the mannerisms. She had that wild > glint in her eyes that HL used to get and in the scene where she killed > Theodorius she has a look of such orgasmic pleasure it is a bit > disconcerting. The one thing Lucy has always been good at when playing her > various look alikes is staying in character - her Xena never bleds into her > Callisto. Her Callisto walks different than Xena and even her speech > patterns are altered. It is no wonder Argo knows it isn't her Xena. Even > Gabrielle despite the evidence of her own eyes is not too hard to convince > that Xena is actually Callisto simply because the fake Xena is so different > than the real Xena. I thought they were both so good in Intimate Stranger. Specially when they were fighting and trying to one-up each other's moves. > The second thought is how boring Xena could be if it wasn't for Lucy. In > 10 Little Warlords, Hudson of course took over the role of Xena. This is > no slam at Hudson who step into a role to help out in an emergency. Hudson > herself said she didn't have a clue about playing Xena and just sort > emulated John Wayne - got serious and talked low. As you watch this > episode you know that Lucy would have made more out of the comic > opportunities presented in this episode. Now there, I *have* to disagree. I thought Hudson was excellent as Xena, in fact after I'd watched the ep I had to rewatch it just to make sure they hadn't overdubbed Lucy's voice, because I thought Hudson's delivery was so like Xena's. In fact TLW is one of my favourite comic eps of the whole series. (And I'm saying that as a diehard Lucyfan, too). > Finally as I watched ROC in TLW I wonder what in the world her acting > classes are doing to her. In the current Chakram she said she was taking a > sitcom class (shudder). After one bad audition (her view) and some classes > she has decided comedy wasn't for her - at least sitcoms weren't for her. > Now when you watch her in TLW she is very funny as she tries and fails > constantly to control her fury over everything from the price of fishcakes > to Joxer's profoundly annoying ramblings. Yeah, I actually thought Rabid Gabby was pretty good in that ep. What was it - "Who do you have to punch to get a drink around here?" > So when she didn't know what she > was doing she had the confidence to tear into the comedy and do a wonderful > job. Now that she has taken classes and been told how she must act to be > funny she apparently had a bit of her confidence shaken. Perhaps the > problem is the class - comedy I believ is instinct and timing and ROC seems > to have that. Didn't Lucy find the same thing with her singing? That voice training kiled her enjoyment in just singing? Or something like that. > I am glad her two new projects are comedies because I think > she is a natural at it. She just has to stay away from sitcoms - they are > the killers of comedy. ( H! enry Irving, the great English actor on his > deathbed when asked about dying said: "Dying is easy; comedy is hard.") > > CherylA Sitcoms are *not funny*. Ever. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:26:47 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: FIN On Tuesday 15 July 2003 01:14, cande@sunlink.net wrote: > cr wrote: > > "Incorrect. It is a defense, actually, whether Xena would want to use it > or > not. Just not when driving, since the law specifically forbids you to > drive > in such a state. It does not forbid you to walk down the street in such > a > state." > > Well we do have laws about public drunkedness. I don't know about NZ but > announcing you were drunk at the time you did something in the US won't > garner you much sympathy with a jury. I think the "I was drunk at the > time" defense isn't the best one any more, if it ever was. Yes, well I think there's a lot of hypocrisy about that. But this is all OT so I won't pursue it. However, I would say that in past times, and probably right up until the 20th century, drinking was an accepted part of everyday life. Wine, or beer, was considered as essential as food. So I would say, that defense would have been quite valid, especially if the defendant could show that they had good reason to take a drink (being in mourning) and no reason not to (not anticipating trouble). cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:12:51 -0400 From: "Ribaud, Lynn" Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] Re: FIN OT: Spirits > > cr wrote: > > > However, I would say that in past times, and probably right > up until the 20th > century, drinking was an accepted part of everyday life. > Wine, or beer, was > considered as essential as food. So I would say, that > defense would have > been quite valid, especially if the defendant could show that > they had good > reason to take a drink (being in mourning) and no reason not to (not > anticipating trouble). True enough -- drinking was accepted, though drunkenness was not. But it is probably important to recall why this was so. Wine and beer were not lethal -- and the water often was. You drank spirits because, being brewed (in the case of beer) or having (for microbes) a lethal concentration of alcohol (in the case of wine), these would not carry, e.g., cholera. The point is that drinking per se was not so much more a part of life than it is now. It was just staying alive. Lynn Ribaud ribaud@bnl.gov ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:25:11 EDT From: Richan@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Girls Just Wana Have Fun Again I fell that I am late to the party. Recently I was watching a STARGATE episode whereby the Orpheus legend was discussed. I had always wanted to know why Orpheus was depicted in "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun as being headless." It turns out that he was beheaded by several disgruntled women jealous over the fact that they could not have the ideal relationship that Orpheus and his wife had. TPTB turned those disgruntled women into Bachae. Nice touch that! It begs the question, "Just what can frustration drive you to in relationships?" This made me think of the characters on XENA: WARRIOR PRINCESS as woefully frustrated themselves in a sea of other frustrated characters. Which in turn leads me to ask, "Is this what life is about--living from frustration to frustration? Is this why we sometimes become frustrated with our children? They live from one joyful experience to another, we have lost that ability, and we are envious?" I have always enjoyed the movie LOST BOYS. And I still think that TPTB took elements of it and placed it in "Girls Just Want to Have Fun." Especially the part of the head vampire searching for a Wendy for his boys. As for Ann Rice's vampires the old ones make new ones so that the old ones may understand the new age in which they find themselves. Is this is what we do when we have children? They make understandable the new age in which we find ourselves else we would be frozen in time? The true brilliance of Never Land is this although the story is about a land in which children never grow up it really is about our adult selves and and our inability to change and how children help us to overcome that deficiency in ourselves This must be why there is to be another Pan movie. Peter again calls to the child in all of us. And Wendy counsels us to be cautious in our actions. Richan ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:05:26 -0400 (EDT) From: cande@sunlink.net Subject: Fw: Re: Re: [chakram-refugees] Random Thoughts: Intimate Stranger & 10 Little Warlords - -------Original Message------- From: cr "Now there, I *have* to disagree. I thought Hudson was excellent as Xena, in fact after I'd watched the ep I had to rewatch it just to make sure they hadn't overdubbed Lucy's voice, because I thought Hudson's delivery was so like Xena's. In fact TLW is one of my favourite comic eps of the whole series. (And I'm saying that as a diehard Lucyfan, too)." Well having said what I said I do agree Hudson did a good job. It was just that as I watched the episode again I saw a lot of opportunities where Lucy would have added a twist that would have juiced up the episode or so I thought. Lucy has the ability to take a scene and add nuances that just spice it up. For example when the warlords gang up on Xena at the castle Hudson looke merely annoyed while Lucy might have played it with a touch of annoyance but also with a touch of controlled rage. "Didn't Lucy find the same thing with her singing? That voice training kiled her enjoyment in just singing? Or something like that." Yeah sometimes the wrong teacher can definitely kill the joy one has in doing something. I loved to write in high school one semester with by composition class in college convinced me that I couldn'y write at all. Now that is not saying I was a budding Shakespear but the criticism I got never was constructive or helpful. So the same may have happened to Lucy and Renee - they were told they were wrong but perhaps they never understood why they were wrong or the teacher was so set in their ways they couldn't adjust to the student. The thing with ROC was that she kept saying she couldn't get the speech pattern down. She said she was told to say the lines in the sitcom class in a monotone. She couldn't do it that way. After reading her take on the class I now understand why the sitcoms are so dreadful and lack any imgination. Just think of it hundreds of young actors sitting around thinking they can be funny by talking in a monotone (by the way it explains why Ray Romano got his own series). CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:10:56 -0700 From: "Ernie" Subject: Fw: Re: [chakram-refugees] Random Thoughts: Intimate Stranger & 10 Little Warlords Everybody e-mail Sharon Delaney and beg her to tell Renee not to give up on comedic roles. The ROC's a natural in the field, and she shouldn't let "those who can't do, teach" convince her otherwise. Ernie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Ernie" > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:12 AM > Subject: Re: Re: [chakram-refugees] Random Thoughts: Intimate Stranger & 10 > Little Warlords > > > > Absolutely! She is a fine comic actress and a great clown (which is hard > to master) that's why I was shocked when I read that she didn't think comedy > was for her. > > > > CherylA > > Sent: 07/14/03 08:09 PM > > To: cande@sunlink.net, chaky > > Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Random Thoughts: Intimate Stranger & 10 > Little Warlords > > > > > > > > Other great examples of ROC's comedic talent are "Fins, Femmes and > Gems," > > where she was under Aphrodite's spell and so very full of herself ("Oh, > > listen to a story 'bout Gab-ri-elle..." I still get a laugh out of that), > > and "In Sickness & In Hell," ("Theena, I gand veel my nongue...thon um a > > nitth!"), and her trying to whistle with a mouthful of spit. And let's not > > forget the Mike Tyson number she did when wrestling with that rabbit. > > > > Ernie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "chaky" > > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 11:29 AM > > Subject: [chakram-refugees] Random Thoughts: Intimate Stranger & 10 Little > > Warlords > > > > > > > Having watched these two episodes this weekend I was struck by a couple > > of thoughts. The first being is what a good mimic Lucy really is. She > > did > > a very good job as Callisto right down to the mannerisms. She had that > > wild > > glint in her eyes that HL used to get and in the scene where she killed > > Theodorius she has a look of such orgasmic pleasure it is a bit > > disconcerting. The one thing Lucy has always been good at when playing > > her > > various look alikes is staying in character - her Xena never bleds into > > her > > Callisto. Her Callisto walks different than Xena and even her speech > > patterns are altered. It is no wonder Argo knows it isn't her Xena. Even > > Gabrielle despite the evidence of her own eyes is not too hard to convince > > that Xena is actually Callisto simply because the fake Xena is so > > different > > than the real Xena. > > > > > > The second thought is how boring Xena could be if it wasn't for Lucy. > > In > > 10 Little Warlords, Hudson of course took over the role of Xena. This is > > no > > slam at Hudson who step into a role to help out in an emergency. Hudson > > herself said she didn't have a clue about playing Xena and just sort > > emulated John Wayne - got serious and talked low. As you watch this > > episode > > you know that Lucy would have made more out of the comic opportunities > > presented in this episode. Xena dealing with the supper-aggressive > > Gabrielle was made for some good by-play between LL and ROC but without > > that > > chemistry it is just Xena telling Gabby to calm down. You also know that > > Lucy and Kevin Smith would have used their chemistry to greater effect in > > their scenes together. In the scene where the hung over Ares hurls over > > the > > side of the boat, Hudson's reaction is just a raised eyebrow but you know > > Lucy would have had some snide comment to make. Xena in TLW is just a bit > > boring without the LL's wit a! > > > nd personality - a stoic warrior doesn't make for exciting TV. > > > > > > Finally as I watched ROC in TLW I wonder what in the world her acting > > classes are doing to her. In the current Chakram she said she was taking > > a > > sitcom class (shudder). After one bad audition (her view) and some classes > > she has decided comedy wasn't for her - at least sitcoms weren't for her. > > Now when you watch her in TLW she is very funny as she tries and fails > > constantly to control her fury over everything from the price of fishcakes > > to Joxer's profoundly annoying ramblings. So when she didn't know what > > she > > was doing she had the confidence to tear into the comedy and do a > > wonderful > > job. Now that she has taken classes and been told how she must act to be > > funny she apparently had a bit of her confidence shaken. Perhaps the > > problem > > is the class - comedy I believ is instinct and timing and ROC seems to > > have > > that. I am glad her two new projects are comedies because I think she is > > a > > natural at it. She just has to stay away from sitcoms - they are the > > killers of comedy. ( H! > > > enry Irving, the great English actor on his deathbed when asked about > > dying said: "Dying is easy; comedy is hard.") > > > > > > CherylA > > > ========================================================= > > > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > > > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > > > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > > > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > > > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:40:54 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: [chakram-refugees] OS: Robert Trebor I just heard from Robert Trebor (Salmoneous) and he tells me he'll be in a movie with Martin Short, to be released in a few months: - --------- BTW...I recently finished a co-starring part opposite Martin Short in the feature Jiminy Glick in Lalawood. Should be released during the holiday season. - ----------- Just FYI, - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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