From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #196 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Saturday, July 12 2003 Volume 03 : Number 196 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #192 ["Ernie" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #192 I thought I'd come out of lurkdom for a moment or two to wade in on this issue. In my own pretty much irrelevant opinion, it was the mob who was responsible for all of those deaths. True, Xena was drunk, but so what? She was in pain, she got drunk in an effort to dull that pain, and she was in mourning for Akemi. In her addled state, she was trying to do right by Akemi by taking her ashes home. And Xena defended herself in what was the most effective manner available to her (not that she really gave it that much thought; she just wanted to stop the attack). I don't think she was in the least bit responsible for those forty thousand deaths, the mob was. They instigated the entire incident. I think Tapert & Co. gave us a painful, disappointing ending to a wonderful and outstanding series. I wish I'd never seen "A Friend In Need." - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Ande" To: ; "cr" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #192 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cr" > > > > The town burning down was an unforeseen consequence. The rest of the > > townspeople, who were not in the mob, should not be held guilty for the > > actions of the mob. They were innocent victims of misadventure. > > > > You're implying some close link between the mob and the rest of the > > townspeople. I disagree. I'm sure there are 100 or so scum in your town > > who would form a mob - do they represent you, or you them? > > > > No I am not implying a close link between the mob and the innocents of > Haguchi or at least I didn't mean to. I believe I was saying that some > people have stated that somehow the people got what they deserved for > attacking Xena. Xena had every right to defend herself from the mob. The > people who were not in the mob were innocents and those were the ones, I > believe, Xena had to avenge. The mob had a responsibility in the deaths of > their fellow citizens but they are already punished - they died and got > gobbled up by Yodoshi. Xena had a responsibility to defend herself in a > rational manner 36 years ago. Xena couldn't do that because she was drunk > out of her mind. Her decision that night to take Akemi's ashes to the > shrine while drunk led to the not only the burning of Haguchi but also the > failure to put Akemi to rest. Let's face it if Xena had been sober she > would have easily defeated the mob - they weren't warriors in any sense of > the word - and Akemi would have made it to her family's shrine. As I see it > Xena indulged in an orgy of self-pity and killed a lot people when it got > out of hand. What is more I think Xena herself understood that and that was > why she took responsibility for the innocents. > > CherylA > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:02:22 EDT From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] [O.T.] Dark Knight; Dirty Pair There are two fighting women series on Showtime Beyond on Friday nights. On Showtime Beyond East, Central Time, Dark Knight is shown at 7:00 Fridays and two episodes of Dirty Pair at 9:00. Dark Knight is a medieval series. The heroes are Ivanhoe and Rebecca, though they have little in common with the Walter Scott novel or the films made of it. The villains are mostly supernatural. The short (about 16 eps.) series was a UK-NZ co-production made in New Zealand in 2001, the year Xena ended. The scripts, production, actors, special effects and especially the fights are way below Xena-Hercules levels. The girl is Charlotte Comer, a UK model. She is tall, red-haired and pretty strong, but the series doesn't do her much good. The Dirty Pair is a Japanese-drawn, American-voiced animation series. Yuri and Kei, the DP, are girl secret agents in a science fiction future. They blow things up a lot. I can recommned the series. Boeotian ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:36:55 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #192 In a message dated 7/11/2003 10:04:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bloodyvisigoths@netzero.net writes: > I thought I'd come out of lurkdom for a moment or two to wade in on this > issue. >> Welcome! > > In my own pretty much irrelevant opinion,>> Heh, it's as least as relevant as the rest of ours. it was the mob who was responsible> > for all of those deaths. True, Xena was drunk, but so what? She was in pain, > she got drunk in an effort to dull that pain, and she was in mourning for > Akemi. In her addled state, she was trying to do right by Akemi by taking > her ashes home. >> I don't happen to think grief and being drunk absolve her from the the potential or actual consequences of walking down the street in that state. No doubt she had no thought about encountering others, but that's the problem with drowning one's sorrows -- it reduces the capacity to think. Fortunately Xena didn't have access to a car. And Xena defended herself in what was the most effective> > manner available to her (not that she really gave it that much thought; she > just wanted to stop the attack). I don't think she was in the least bit > responsible for those forty thousand deaths, the mob was. They instigated > the entire incident.>> Yes, I agree that the mob provoked what happened. But if you excuse Xena because of her state, you have to excuse the mob for acting thoughtlessly because of their rage. They had no more way of foreseeing such tragic consequences any more than Xena did. The main difference is that Xena figured she set the chain of events in motion with her greed, then her grief. I'm not defending the results as plausible. I'm just saying I can't accept Xena as entirely blameless, even if I don't hold her as entirely responsible either. > > I think Tapert &Co. gave us a painful, disappointing ending to a wonderful > and outstanding series. I wish I'd never seen "A Friend In Need." > Understandable, though I have the opposite view. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V3 #196 **************************************