From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #195 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Friday, July 11 2003 Volume 03 : Number 195 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Friend In Need Part 2 [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #192 ["Cheryl Ande"] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 01:08:52 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Friend In Need Part 2 In a message dated 7/9/2003 4:00:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > >Yes, I didn't really care about the reason or whether it involved "blame." > >However, I did feel the responsibility part added another dramatic, moral > >dimension for us to beat to death. :-) > > > >-- Ife > > Even though the degree of responsibility was, as we three have amply > demonstrated recently, ambiguous. ;) > > cr Hence my reference to "beat to death." The ambiguity caused endless debates about other eps, so it's fitting the series would take us out like that. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:30:52 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #192 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "cr" > > The town burning down was an unforeseen consequence. The rest of the > townspeople, who were not in the mob, should not be held guilty for the > actions of the mob. They were innocent victims of misadventure. > > You're implying some close link between the mob and the rest of the > townspeople. I disagree. I'm sure there are 100 or so scum in your town > who would form a mob - do they represent you, or you them? > No I am not implying a close link between the mob and the innocents of Haguchi or at least I didn't mean to. I believe I was saying that some people have stated that somehow the people got what they deserved for attacking Xena. Xena had every right to defend herself from the mob. The people who were not in the mob were innocents and those were the ones, I believe, Xena had to avenge. The mob had a responsibility in the deaths of their fellow citizens but they are already punished - they died and got gobbled up by Yodoshi. Xena had a responsibility to defend herself in a rational manner 36 years ago. Xena couldn't do that because she was drunk out of her mind. Her decision that night to take Akemi's ashes to the shrine while drunk led to the not only the burning of Haguchi but also the failure to put Akemi to rest. Let's face it if Xena had been sober she would have easily defeated the mob - they weren't warriors in any sense of the word - and Akemi would have made it to her family's shrine. As I see it Xena indulged in an orgy of self-pity and killed a lot people when it got out of hand. What is more I think Xena herself understood that and that was why she took responsibility for the innocents. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V3 #195 **************************************