From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #194 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Thursday, July 10 2003 Volume 03 : Number 194 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Friend In Need Part 2 [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #192 [cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Friend In Need Part 2 On Wednesday 09 July 2003 08:22, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > > >Are you saying that saving a good person is more heroic than saving > > > evil, questionable or unknown people, or just more "reasonable"? > > > > What I'm saying is that it would seem more justifiable or reasonable to > > *us*. It seems more 'worth' it. >> > > Okay, we're speaking from different perspectives. I'm thinking what Xena > would consider reasonable and taking my cues from that, regardless of what > might be justifiable to me in killing her off. Keeps me from hurting my > brain more. OK, yes, there are two very different viewpoints at work there. Certainly, the question of Xena's responsibility (I won't say 'guilt' because it's not quite the same thing) would weigh more heavily with Xena than it would with me. (snippity) > > To _me_ (and this is my own personal view), I just think it had to be a > > good > > reason. And that Xena staying dead did sufficient good to somebody - > > that would have been enough reason, without any prior wrongdoing on her > > part. That may not have been 'fair', but then many things in XWP weren't > > fair. >> > > Yes, I didn't really care about the reason or whether it involved "blame." > However, I did feel the responsibility part added another dramatic, moral > dimension for us to beat to death. :-) > > -- Ife Even though the degree of responsibility was, as we three have amply demonstrated recently, ambiguous. ;) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:47:59 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #192 On Wednesday 09 July 2003 11:51, Cheryl Ande wrote: > > From: IfeRae@aol.com > > > > > > "Reasonable" because of the numbers? I take it that you're overlooking > > the > > role played by those who attacked Xena for trying to bury Akemi's ashes? > > I have always found it interesting how so many people have used this fact > to excuse Xena's actions. They are basically saying that a few dozen > people whacking Xena with brooms justifies Xena's actions. That because > they were mean to Xena they had every right to expect to have their wives, > their children, their friends be burned in their beds. Now there, I totally disagree with you. First, they didn't just attack Xena, they caused her to lose the ashes of her friend Akemi. That I'm sure was *far* more hurtful to Xena than anything the crowd did to her. Secondly, nobody, neither the mob nor Xena, expected Xena's retaliation to set fire to the whole town. I think Xena was entirely justified in what she did in the circumstances; those few characters of the mob who were attacking a single unarmed woman and got burned got no more than they deserved. It could even be self-defence - who says the mob would have stopped if Xena hadn't gone on the counter-attack? If Xena had killed every member of that mob I would have said 'fair enough'. The town burning down was an unforeseen consequence. The rest of the townspeople, who were not in the mob, should not be held guilty for the actions of the mob. They were innocent victims of misadventure. You're implying some close link between the mob and the rest of the townspeople. I disagree. I'm sure there are 100 or so scum in your town who would form a mob - do they represent you, or you them? > In the same vein people still say Akemi is responsible. If she hadn't used > Xena to get Japa to kill her father then none of this would have happened. > That is certainy true. However Akemi didn't seek Xena out. Xena came > looking for Akemi and not because she wanted rescue some poor Japanese > maiden. Xena was looking for money and power. If Akemi used Xena, Xena > was certainly using Akemi. If Xena had minded her own business then Akemi > wouldn't have gotten to Japa or at least Xena wouldn't have wound up in > Japa and Haguchi wouldn't have burned. There, I agree. They were out to use each other. That they also fell in love or ended up close friends (depending how one cares to read it) was accidental. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. 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