From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #180 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Saturday, June 28 2003 Volume 03 : Number 180 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] OT: Yahoo & Spam ["abqbeach" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] OT: Yahoo & Spam [Cousin Liz ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Friend In Need Part 1 ["H.J.J. Hewitt" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] OT: Yahoo & Spam/Question about the Xena fandom [c] [chakram-refugees] OT: Personal: Fwd: Returned mail: see transcript for details [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Friend In Need Part 1 [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Friend In Need Part 1 [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Friend In Need Part 1 [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Friend In Need Part 1 [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Friend In Need Part 1 [IfeRae@aol.com] OT: Re: [chakram-refugees] Yahoo & Spam [meredith ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:41:22 -0600 From: "abqbeach" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] OT: Yahoo & Spam Spam is a huge problem for ISPs (obviously), a huge cost and customer service issue. One of the defenses used is blacklists of ISPs and servers that host/have hosted known spammers. Hotmail has taken steps to curtail spammers, but I haven't heard anything specific about Yahoo stopping spam from free email addresses - and it would be big news. Blacklists are not fair. Other individuals and companies are blocked with a broad brush. There is often no recourse for those caught in the trap. Only Yahoo can take this up with the blacklist. In the meantime ... no email for you and nothing you can do about it. You could try rerouting the mail by forwarding it through another provider before it hits your isp. Blacklists and mail filters are judged to stop up to 25% of legitimate, opt-in email, and consumers never know or are left wondering why they haven't been contacted recently. It is a growing problem as the spam issue escalates and ISPs try to react. I am much more in favor of filters controlled by individuals ... but I do internet marketing for a living ... so there you go :-) It's a constant fight to get messages through, and IMO, spam legislation and ISP practices are doing a lot to shut down everyone but the real spammers. (LOL - thanks for the opportunity to vent!) angie in NM http://xenawp.org - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cousin Liz" To: "chakram" Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 8:57 PM Subject: [chakram-refugees] Yahoo & Spam > Can someone enlighten me, please? > > I have not been getting any yahoo email for a couple > of days now, though I only took note of it today. I > went to yahoo and hit the button to reactivate my > email, but nothing's happened. > > So, I called my isp. According to the tech I talked to, > some company called Osiris(sp?) has placed Yahoo on their > black list. And my isp has now blocked all Yahoo email > from getting through. They won't unblock them until Yahoo > clears up their problem with this Osiris company. Supposedly > Yahoo is allowing SPAM according to the tech. In the > meantime, I don't get my Yahoo mailing list email delivered. > > Pisser. > > -- > Cousin Liz eas01@fast.net > > Soulmates > Xena Dinosaur Bards > http://cousinliz.com > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 01:00:11 -0400 From: Cousin Liz Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] OT: Yahoo & Spam abqbeach wrote: > I haven't heard anything specific about Yahoo stopping spam > from free email addresses - and it would be big news. I haven't heard anything either. > Only Yahoo can take this up with the blacklist. That's what my isp said too. > In the meantime ... no email for you and nothing you can > do about it. Yes, I'm quickly realizing this. > You could try rerouting the mail by forwarding it through > another provider before it hits your isp. There's a possibility, if only I can figure out how to get it to do it automatically. I just don't think my work addy has that possiblilty. > Blacklists and mail filters are judged to stop up to 25% of > legitimate, opt-in email, and consumers never know I caght on to this a couple of months ago when I started to notice that I was seeing replies to messages I never saw original posts of. When I called my isp about it, I was told they had recently installed a spam filter. I told them I didn't remember being *asked* whether or not I wanted/needed them filtering MY email, and insisted they remove the filters from my account at once. I got a lot more spam, but I also started getting all of my legitimate email too. > I am much more in favor of filters controlled by individuals Oh, me too! I've got my Netscape filters tweaked to where less than 1% of spam hits my inbox. And that's with almost half of the emails I receive being spam. > but I do internet marketing for a living ... so there you go :-) That'a not a "polite" way of saying you send out spam, is it? > IMO, spam legislation and ISP practices are doing a lot to shut > down everyone but the real spammers. I read somewhere that almost all of the spam originates from a city somewhere in Florida, and that only a few people are responsible for the majority of it. - -- Cousin Liz eas01@fast.net Soulmates Xena Dinosaur Bards http://cousinliz.com ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 00:08:30 -0500 From: "H.J.J. Hewitt" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Friend In Need Part 1 >Harukata says >he has that power but as a mortal he can't get to him. Only a ghost can >trap Yodoshi. Xena now understands what she has to do to make thinks right. Is there any reason (other than it would ruin the plot of the finale) why Xena couldn't just have "enabled" Harukata to no longer \be/ mortal? As dedicated as he was to his task, martyrdom for the sake of fully carrying it out would seem a welcome option. TEXena ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 00:12:44 -0600 From: "abqbeach" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] OT: Yahoo & Spam/Question about the Xena fandom > > but I do internet marketing for a living ... so there you go :-) > > That'a not a "polite" way of saying you send out spam, is it? Hey! LOL. Spam often seems to be in the eye of the receiver. I don't send out unsolicited commercial email, which is the common definition of spam. I run an opt-in email list for a mid-size online merchant, but for some people, spam becomes anything that they don't happen to like in their inbox at that particular time - whether they signed up for it or not (much to my chagrin :-) ================ Anyway, enough about that, since I've come out of lurkdom .... There have been recent discussions on another list about fandoms that survive after the show goes off the air. I'm curious to know people's thoughts on why the Xena fandom, particularly online, will continue to thrive - or not. Or are there segments that will hold together more than others? angie in NM http://xenawp.org ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:46:14 +1200 From: cr Subject: OT: Re: [chakram-refugees] Yahoo & Spam On Saturday 28 June 2003 14:57, Cousin Liz wrote: > Can someone enlighten me, please? > > I have not been getting any yahoo email for a couple > of days now, though I only took note of it today. I > went to yahoo and hit the button to reactivate my > email, but nothing's happened. > > So, I called my isp. According to the tech I talked to, > some company called Osiris(sp?) has placed Yahoo on their > black list. And my isp has now blocked all Yahoo email > from getting through. They won't unblock them until Yahoo > clears up their problem with this Osiris company. Supposedly > Yahoo is allowing SPAM according to the tech. In the > meantime, I don't get my Yahoo mailing list email delivered. > > Pisser. There may be a confusion arising between Yahoo (as an email service provider) and Yahoogroups (as a mailing-list provider). Certainly some email providers have been put on blacklists from time to time for being too 'spammer-friendly', either by tolerating spammers or by allowing their servers to be used (albeit without their knowledge) for relaying spam and taking no steps to stop it. However, unless the spammers have found some loophole, that shouldn't affect the mailing-list servers at Yahoogroups. I have seen some spam on Yahoo groups mailing lists, but that obviously goes only to the groups' own members, so that shouldn't get Yahoo blacklisted, unless by misunderstanding. What *did* happen to me, when my ISP (Orcon) introduced new anti-spam software, was the software decided everything from Yahoo was spam and started bouncing it. It took Orcon several days to fix this. They said nothing to me about Yahoo being on a blacklist, though, I assumed the software had just decided that Yahoogroups emails just *looked* like spam. The consequential problem was that Yahoo, getting the bounced emails, automatically turned 'off' my account and I had to go to their site and turn it on again. I know of several anti-spam sites that maintain blacklists - MAPS and cauce.org, for example. I don't know of Osiris, though, and searching in Google just seems to show that they're an ordinary ISP. I'm not any sort of expert on this though. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 19:54:33 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] OT: Yahoo & Spam/Question about the Xena fandom On Saturday 28 June 2003 18:12, abqbeach wrote: > > > but I do internet marketing for a living ... so there you go :-) > > > > That'a not a "polite" way of saying you send out spam, is it? > > Hey! LOL. Spam often seems to be in the eye of the receiver. > I don't send out unsolicited commercial email, which is the common > definition of spam. I run an opt-in email list for a mid-size online > merchant, but for some people, spam becomes anything that they don't happen > to like in their inbox at that particular time - whether they signed up for > it or not (much to my chagrin :-) If it *genuinely* is an opt-in list, then you're not a spammer. But I've got heaps of spam from self-proclaimed 'opt-in' lists that I have *never* heard of before. I also get a little marketing mail from several organisations I've bought items from, and while they haven't always asked me first, I don't regard it as spam because they didn't just get my name off some sleazy spammers' list and they will, presumably, take me off if requested. So, them I tolerate. [Rest of long OT rant about what I'd like to do personally to every wretched spammer - snipped]. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 20:27:29 +1200 From: cr Subject: [chakram-refugees] OT: Personal: Fwd: Returned mail: see transcript for details Cousin Liz - Sorry to the list for the OT, but the copy of my reply that got sent to your mailbox bounced as follows. I don't know if that sheds any light on your problem. cr - ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details Date: From: To: from port-219-88-129-100.orcon.net.nz [219.88.129.100] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 550 mailbox unavailable) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to fast.net.fast.mail1.psmtp.com.: >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 mailbox unavailable 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 20:15:01 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Friend In Need Part 1 On Saturday 28 June 2003 17:08, H.J.J. Hewitt wrote: > >Harukata says > >he has that power but as a mortal he can't get to him. Only a ghost can > >trap Yodoshi. Xena now understands what she has to do to make thinks > > right. > > Is there any reason (other than it would ruin the plot of the finale) why > Xena couldn't just have "enabled" Harukata to no longer \be/ mortal? As > dedicated as he was to his task, martyrdom for the sake of fully carrying > it out would seem a welcome option. > > > TEXena I wondered myself, when I saw the ep, why Harukata couldn't just kill himself. I don't think there was ever a specific answer given in the ep. Well, aside from the obvious reason that one does not kill oneself lightly... I can suggest a couple of speculative reasons. 1. It's entirely possible that while, as a ghost, Harukata may have been more easily able to get near Yodoshi, there's no guarantee that he would have ben able to kill him unaided. 2. It's possible that, as a ghost, Harukata may have lost some of his ghost-killer powers - or even that Yodoshi could just swallow him. (Of course why, in that respect, would Xena be any better off?) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:34:32 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Friend In Need Part 1 On Friday 27 June 2003 11:51, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > > Huh? This was long before Xena met Gabs, remember..... >> > > LOL!!!! Gods, I'm so used to attributing questionable/mysterious knowledge > to the scrolls, I honestly forgot there was a time before the scrolls. Ah, > those "senior moments." Never know when they might strike. Catches us all at times. > << Well, I think, in The Debt or its surrounding episodes, Gabby was on > some sort of control-freak crusade to remake Xena in her own image. To > force her own moral world-view on Xena. I found it... irritating. :) > It wasn't so much Lao Ma that Gabs was jealous of, as the fact that Xena > might actually have ideas of her own. IMO. >> > > Hmm, not sure I agree with that assessment of Gabby's motives. I thought > it was more fear of Xena backsliding on her own moral goals, but without > understanding that Xena's honor incorporated paying debts in all sorts of > ways. I do know that I felt very impatient with Gabby around the time of 'The Debt' (okay, so what else is new? :) Partly maybe because I'd just discovered the Internet and encountered all these Gabfans who thought the Sidekick was the most important thing in the series... For whatever reason, I just felt that Xena could make up her own mind about the rights and wrongs of the things she did, without any 'back-seat driving'. > > Okay, this was a new bit in the DVD. Frankly, I was glad it got cut, as > > I thought it was much more dramatic having their relationship revealed > > later on. > > Hmmmm. Of course, by the time I saw the DVD, I *knew* what their > relationship was, so this point didn't occur to me. I thought it really > gave an additional insight into their relationship. That Akemi might be > Yodoshi's captive, but she was an extremely unwilling one, even to the > point of defying him openly. > > It also helped clarify that the attack on Higuchi was at Yodoshi's > instigation, and that was why Akemi had finally sent for Xena. >> > > Somehow I'd gotten all that originally. There was one added scene in part > 2 that I found a lot more helpful. I inferred vaguely that the attack was somehow linked with Yodoshi, but the DVD made it explicit. So I did like the extra scene. > << I just watched Butch Cassidy and in fact the lines were something like: > "Did you see LaForge out there?" (LaForge being the most deadly lawman > hunting them) > "Nope" > "Good, for a moment there I thought we were in trouble". > > So, the last line only was the 'tribute'. Just wanted to get that on > the record. ;) >> > > We're here for you. Glad you feel better now. It's always better to point out the flaws in one's arguments before someone else does. That way, one looks refreshingly candid and honest. The other way, one just looks stupid. ;) > > You give a wonderful synopsis of this, but frankly I think a lot of the > > > > credit goes to that young actress. Without her excellent performance, > > I'm not sure I would've given much credence to this last-minute rabbit > > in the hat. For me, she raised the character above what would have > > otherwise been a plot device unworthy of the series finale. > > Yes, I think much of the credit for Akemi being such a compelling > character does go to Michelle Ang, *but* she had to have the material to > work with. Akemi shows remarkable courage (IMO), and Michelle 'sells' that > really well. > > And it *needed* to be done that well, to account for the fact that Xena > fell for Akemi so hard, and to make Akemi worth it (in *my* view, at > least). >> > > What Ang did for me was to infuse the character with subtlety and ambiguity > that gave Akemi's acts of courage signficance compared to the countless > other acts of courage guest stars exhibited. I found her to be intriguing, > interesting, even though I still often wondered why the heck Akemi was the > basis for the all-important series finale. Well, I guess they wanted to include some back-story, and they'd already re-used most of the backstory characters that were available, so they needed a new one. Though they never brought M'Lila back. Problem was, she appeared and died in the same ep, which made that impossible. If there's one character in the series I really would have loved to see more of, it's M'Lila. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:21:23 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Friend In Need Part 1 On Saturday 28 June 2003 14:21, Cheryl Ande wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cr" > > > Agreed. I thought the extra scenes really did improve the episode. > > (Not, > > > I might add, that there was anything wrong with it as screened. IMO). > > No but once you have the DVD you do miss the additional footage. Yes, I guess it would. It hasn't struck me, simply because, since I've seen the Directors Cut, I haven't re-watched the original TV eps. > I just > love the fact that Xena is so unconcerned about who is looking for in the > beginning that she whistles to let him know where she is. I guess her > spidy senses weren't tingling. Also I like that they added that bit where > Gabby says Where you go I'm at your side" and that is repeated through out > the episode. I'm sure that was in the TV version. It was such a repeated theme I'm sure RT wouldn't have cut that out. (Checks XT's transcripts) Gosh, you're right. It *wasn't* in the TV version. Well, well. > Yeah and I love how Gabby has to dodge when he bows. .. and says 'Whoah!' That always looks to me like an unscripted ROC reaction that they left in. > When you rewatch an episode you never can recapture that first > viewing experience. So when you suddenly have an "insightful" revelation > you are never sure it just came to you or you heard somewhere else and just > remembered it. Agreed. Just like me with "Wherever you go...." ;) > Lucy didn't thing Xena would have said it was pretty but I think Xena > doesn't quite know what to do so saying it was pretty probably seemed as > good a way as any to react. Certain not to hurt the girl's feelings at > least. That's how I see it, yes. > Although I see X & G as a couple I don't quite know why the penny suddenly > dropped for LL at this point. Akemi breaking Xena's heart may seem like a > confession of love but certainly after you hear the rest of Akemi's story > any one who was involved in this tragedy would have had their heart broken > - it doesn't mean loved Akemi in a romantic way. As far as Akemi goes, I agree with you - I don't think Xena necessarily loved Akemi in a romantic way. And (so far as I can tell) Lucy doesn't think that either - it's not Akemi breaking her heart that 'outed' Xena. It's the way Xena 'confessed' it to Gabs that 'outed' her (in LL's view - so far as I can tell). I disagree with LL on that, as I said. > Oh yes I think that gesture on Akemi's part really got to Xena. Here was > some who was as much as gambler as Xena was. Not just that. It shows great self-confidence in Akemi's judgement (since she was betting her life in being right) but also, great trust in Xena's judgement and ability to overcome her momentary irritation. It says "I know you're a reasonable person with enough maturity not to do something stupid". > Yes that was what the interruption was for - to interrupt the narrative > because we have just landed at Haguchi. Yes... but, to me, it made the whole Higuchi fire just an interlude while I waited to see what happened with Xena and Akemi next. I guess I just love back-stories :) > I haven't talked much about the acting yet but Michelle Ang is just > remarkable. > She should have a great career if she continues to act. She's in Australia now, in the cast of 'Neighbours' which is the longest-running Aussie soap. And while I have a low opinion of all soaps, it's certainly steady work and probably good experience for an actor. Though I think Akemi is probably the best role she's ever had, it's still just one double episode of Xena and to a casting director, *everybody* in NZ has had a bit part on Xena. So a steady role in Neighbours is an excellent thing to have on ones resume. > Oh you just don't like it because it was Gabby's idea. I knew you'd say that Umm, no, it *isn't* just because it's Gabby's idea. Remember, the water tower is Xena's idea IIRC - getting to it was Gabby's. I had a problem with *both* parts of it, but in fact the idea of that tiddly water tank being enough to extinguish the town (and defeat the attackers) is a much bigger problem in my view, and that as I said was Xena's idea. IIRC. > I'll pay no attention this. (g) Pity, you mighta scored a point :) > I'll have to look again at the scene. Perhaps lighting up the courtyard > was necessary so the audience can see where Akemi is headed after her > father dies. I can see why they did it, just the way they did it looks strange. > Probably because of Yodoshi make-up. Yes, exactly. > The make-up made his look older than > he did in the scene where he is killed. Interestingly enough Rob seemed to > have second thoughts about the heavy make-up but Lucy like the contrast > between him and the pristine Akemi. Yes. Just listening to her commentary, Lucy saw a lot of it very 'visually' - - several times she commented on how good a shot looked. "Wow, look at *that*" - where I suspect most fans just vaguely absorbed it as part of the background they expected. In that respect, I'm a little surprised that LL's never made any mention of ever wanting to direct. Maybe there are too many other hassles in directing that she's aware of. > Again have to say I have always seen Xena as a very > emotional character. Although she hides behind the warrior mask I really > believe Xena wears her heart on her sleeve more than another character in > the series. You just contradicted yourself there. Just the wrong figure of speech. Yes Xena does hide her feelings (which is the exact opposite of 'wearing her heart on her sleeve', I think). But, if you said she's naturally a deeply emotional person, albeit one who has learnt from bitter experience to keep her emotions in check, then I'd agree. > I don't know. Perhaps since he doesn't seemed surprised when she nods her > head and we all know what she is about to do. There's an obvious question here - but I won't steal anyone's thunder. (Looking in the general direction of Texas.... ;) > Rob said this was last minute addition. He wanted that full circle. Both > scenes announce that something very drastic was going to change for Xena. > In Potedeia it was meeting Gabrielle and her real journey towards toward > her redemption - now we are seeing the completion of that journey. If it *was* a last-minute addition, it was an excellent thought. That was one of the memorable moments of the episode, for me. > Which she did in Sins Of The Past. Of course there Xena was giving up her > warrior ways, briefly, here she was still a warrior and she needed her best > weapon. Also perhaps she was thinking that she would pass it on the > Gabrielle. That passing-it-on to Gabrielle did surprise me, actually. Because I'd always regarded the chacky as Xena's weapon alone (OK I know we've been over who else used it, but I always regarded them as interlopers). That, if anything, should have gone back whence it came when Xena died. Just IMO. > But wasn't the bow really wrong. It's been a long time since I was > involved in archery but wasn't she firing a compound bow - a rather new > invention. Yes ago when I was shooting as a kid only a very few people had > such bows but now they have are much more common aver sophisticated. They had compound bows in Maternal Instincts too. And yes, I thought they looked 'wrong'. > Yes the fight scene is much more effective. In the DVD Xena comes much > better - you can tell now that the arrow barrage is the only way to stop > her. The sight of those swarms of arrows flying through the air was pretty frightening, too. Obviously CGI in this case but, in real life in the Middle Ages, probably a fact. Massed archers at the start of a battle would (I think) fire like that. > Yep the old gal did herself proud. 'Old gal'? 8-) > > Well, *that* gift Xena had to take for herself :) > > Well it was the thought that counted. ROTFL!! > Actually I think Xena sees herself as a failure quite often. She failed > Lyceus, Milia and in many ways La Mao. Young has enough of an ego to > overcome each failure but I think Akemi just through over the edge. Well, of course, Xena never mentioned Lao Ma to Gabs until Lao Ma's messenger arrived, either. There was a rather high mortality rate among Oriental messengers, btw. Maybe even 100%. Probably even higher than the average for other XWP bit parts. Lao Ma's messenger died in The Debt. Lao Ma's second messenger-by-proxy died in 'Purity'. Lao Ma's two envoys died at Alti's hands in When Fates Colide. Does this say something about the risks of working for Lao Ma? "If you value your life, DO NOT WORK FOR THIS WOMAN". ;) Akemi's messenger, OTOH, was Kenji, who actually survived for an entire episode-and-a half. Yodoshi got 'im in the end, though. > I think she did love Borias on some level but as you said she doesn't trust > herself or her love to commit to it. > It is only after Hercules shows her that some she > loves will not betray her or die does she start to trust again. Yes, there are a number of different conflicting strains in her character. I doubt if even RT knew how many when the series started. XWP is famous for some of its continuity bloopers but I think they did pretty well at keeping all the developments (and the backstory) compatible with that we already 'knew' of Xena. > What I particularly liked about the backstory of FIN was the fact it did > fit so neatly into the story of Young Xena. Up to this point her story was > always told linearly. Other than 'Soul Possession' > Perhaps this is Xena's > worse nightmare coming true - does she hear Akemi saying that to her - > accusing of her giving stupidly giving her the means to get her killed and > then failing to give her a soul it proper rest. I'm probably reaching here > but it just fits so well! Hmmm. You are, but it does :) It fits very well, in fact, and I think it's something no-one has suggested before. (Usually when I say that I find I'm wrong. Never mind. Catch amnesia and experience everything for the first time :) > Yeah there was some discussion as to why Xena didn't just kill herself. > Xena had a lot of priority here. Yes she had to dies but she also had to > make sure Morimoto no longer was threat to Haguchi. Xena economical as > ever did it all with one great battle. Well, Xena certainly had the courage to kill herself in cold blood if that's what she had to do. But I think it might have upset the fans even more if she'd done that. And going down with guns blazing and all flags flying seems somehow more in character. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:59:20 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Friend In Need Part 1 In a message dated 6/28/2003 5:51:41 AM Central Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > I do know that I felt very impatient with Gabby around the time of 'The > Debt' > (okay, so what else is new? :) Partly maybe because I'd just > discovered the Internet and encountered all these Gabfans who thought the > Sidekick was the most important thing in the series... For whatever > reason, I just felt that Xena could make up her own mind about the rights > and > wrongs of the things she did, without any 'back-seat driving'. >> LOL! Thanks for the confession. Yes, I too would get irritated when I'd see posts that suggested (to me) that -- without Gabs -- Xena would be like a wild animal with no self-motivation to change. This completely ignored the fact that Xena was quite disciplined, self-directed and intent on changing her ways before she met Gabs. While I also believe Gabs rekindled Xena's commitment and forced herself on Xena in the beginning, I think Xena was wise enough to allow Gabs into her life precisely because she knew the importance of having support for her efforts. The strength of the relationship to me was the mutual support and respect they gave each other, which sometimes required more from Gabrielle and Xena sometimes or from Xena at others. Making a patsy or pariah of either one meant dissing the other. > I inferred vaguely that the attack was somehow linked with Yodoshi, but the > > DVD made it explicit. So I did like the extra scene.>> Ah, it could be that I didn't really care about the "politics" of the situation. Like with all that god stuff, I simply treated it as background "music" to the "real" story. I felt the same about some of those big battles, where I didn't feel like hurting my brain with what the heck was going on. That's what we've got folks like you for. > > Though they never brought M'Lila back. Problem was, she appeared and died > in the same ep, which made that impossible. If there's one character in > the > series I really would have loved to see more of, it's M'Lila. >> Me too, if only to see a little of her back story. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:59:21 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Friend In Need Part 1 In a message dated 6/28/2003 3:17:39 AM Central Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > >Is there any reason (other than it would ruin the plot of the finale) why > >Xena couldn't just have "enabled" Harukata to no longer \be/ mortal? As > >dedicated as he was to his task, martyrdom for the sake of fully carrying > >it out would seem a welcome option. > > > > > >TEXena > > I wondered myself, when I saw the ep, why Harukata couldn't just kill > himself. > I don't think there was ever a specific answer given in the ep. > From what we saw, Harukata wasn't a great warrior or anything. It didn't take that much for him to skewer the ghosts of Yodoshi's victims -- most of whom were simple folk before their demise. Yodoshi was a whole 'nother issue. While maybe getting "close" to him could be accomplished by dying, it seemed that conquering him required someone with uncommon skill, experience and courage - -- which is why Akemi sent for the best. Harukata was brave, but not suicidal in a lost cause. I think he willingly risked his life, once he knew Xena might be the edge they needed. Anyway, that's my rationalization. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:59:26 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Friend In Need Part 1 In a message dated 6/27/2003 9:15:00 PM Central Daylight Time, cande@sunlink.net writes: > Akemi is so centered - so calm while Xena just spins > out control. Again I have to say I have always seen Xena as a very > emotional character. Although she hides behind the warrior mask I really > believe Xena wears her heart on her sleeve more than another character in > the series. >> I think you are soooo right. We're having a discussion on "Flawless" about Lucy's acting -- how she projects so much with the slightest expression. What I get is an outward stoicism and control, but the sense of so much roiling beneath the surface, of someone who has learned to shield her vulnerabilities for both emotional and phsyical survival. But there's enough for us viewers and those who love her to see behind the mask, which is maybe another reason some of us feel so intimately connected to her. Anyway, I always scoff when folks talk about her as "cold." > >Did Harukata realise the implications of what he was telling her? I > think > >he did, actually. > > I don't know. Perhaps since he doesn't seemed surprised when she nods her > head and we all know what she is about to do. > > > Oh, I got the feeling he knew exactly what he was telling her and that (like that guy in Dreamworker) he was pretty sure she was "the one" they'd been waiting for. Her nod was proof that he was right. I loved that they both accepted the consequences with no fuss, no need for words about their respective duties. Yes, I definitely felt a silent agreement was exchanged. > But wasn't the bow really wrong. It's been a long time since I was > involved > in archery but wasn't she firing a compound bow - a rather new invention. > Yes ago when I was shooting as a kid only a very few people had such bows > but now they have are much more common aver sophisticated. >> Not to mention where she got the bow and infinite number of arrows (like Gabby's sais) in the first place. Maybe that scanty outfit had magic hidden pockets? > Yeah there was some discussion as to why Xena didn't just kill herself. > Xena had a lot of priority here. Yes she had to dies but she also had to > make sure Morimoto no longer was threat to Haguchi. Xena economical as ever > did it all with one great battle. > > Gotta love her! - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:51:04 -0400 From: meredith Subject: OT: Re: [chakram-refugees] Yahoo & Spam Hi, Cousin Liz inquired: > Can someone enlighten me, please? Unfortunately, many small ISPs whose mail admins aren't as well-informed as they might be resort to blacklists as an anti-spam measure, which usually results in legitimate mail getting blocked as well. Many blacklists do contain Yahoo's IP addresses, because for the longest time Yahoo has done little to prevent spam from originating from its servers. But blacklists also block mail coming through open relays, which is a good way of blocking spam, so they have their uses too. Spam-filtering software is much more effective at blocking spam. At the network level it can detect spam that has routed through open relays, and then at the individual user level it can flag messages as spam and allow the user to decide what to do with it. We've got SpamAssassin at smoe.org, which works pretty well, though I need to take some time this weekend to teach it a few things so its filtering will get better. It rates the message's content according to various criteria and gives it a score, and you can tweak what score you want it to consider spam. If a message gets a high enough score, it flags the subject line with "SPAM", which I use to filter the mail into a special trash mailbox on my computer. You can also compile a "whitelist", which contains e-dresses from which you want to receive bulk email, for example amazon.com, ebay or, in my case, independent musicians with announcement mailing lists. You might want to see if your ISP is willing to install SpamAssassin -- it's free. An always entertaining (and sometimes informative) read is the Usenet group news.admin.net-abuse.email, which you can get to via Google Groups at . (Note to abqbeach: there is no such thing as an "opt-in" email list that is purchased or rented from another entity. I didn't get the impression that that's what you deal in, but I just had to say it. I work for a marketing company myself, and each week when the latest issue of DM News arrives I have to swallow my bile when I get to the iNews section and see all the spam lists that are being bought and sold there...) =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org =============================================== ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. 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