From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #173 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Tuesday, June 24 2003 Volume 03 : Number 173 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] watching Xener [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] watching Xener [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] watching Xener [Xwpacolyte@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] "Soulmates" Revisited [Xwpacolyte@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] watching Xener [MelosaQu@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #172 ["Cheryl Ande" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] watching Xener On Monday 23 June 2003 05:07, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/22/2003 12:56:28 AM Central Daylight Time, > > fsktl@aurora.uaf.edu writes: > > Yup, once again, due to Lucy as Xena, I just LOVED XWP again, > > just as much as I always had. (Well, as I had after the first six or so > > episodes from season two that were sometimes playing in the background as > > I did my homework and that just didn't hold my interest much until I got > > caught > > up by the humor and wild antics of Here She Comes Miss Amphipolis [Big > > indrawn > > breath.] From THAT night on, I was doomed.) > > > > And apparently, I shall stay doomed for the rest of my natural borned > > life. How kewl is that? > > I'm still trying to make up my mind about that. Is it a "good" sign that > XWP has spoiled me in terms of action shows I used to tolerate while eating > dinnter? That I've found only a handful of shows worth remembering what > time they come on (mostly comedies)? That, when I want to watch something > I know I'll enjoy, it's almost always an old Xena ep? Shouldn't I be > moving on? Learning how to once again watch stuff just because it happens > to be on when I want some background noise? I decided long ago that I *wouldn't* watch crap 'just because it's on'. I actually decided it with reference to cornflakes packets - I was (still am) a compulsive reader, I used to read the backs of cornflakes packets. Then I made a Policy Decision (big dramatic fanfare) - I decided that if I had time to read that stuff, I had time to read something worth reading. And that extends to TV and movies too - which makes me a hyper-critical viewer of TV shows. > I mean, I'm missing shows that are "defining" this period of American TV -- > e.g., "reality" shows with both actors and "real" people. Please excuse me while I chunder. [Bleeeeeeaaaaaagggh! That's better] Errm, where are we? Oh yes, 'reality' shows. The name is ridiculous, the situations are deliberately contrived and hence *un*real. Their one and only merit is, from the POV of the sleazoids who produce such things, they're cheap. In all senses of the word. > I can't hold a > discussion about such shows, which suggests my ignorance about contemporary > culture. Bzzzt! Oxymoron alert! ;) > I hear about "real" world issues and wonder, "Didn't they watch > XWP? Don't they know that's been done and didn't turn out so good?" It > can't be good to see leaders as Caesar and think, "Carl Urban played him > better." Surely, there's something a little wrong with still finding that > "all I ever wanted to know" about key questions and answers is contained in > a defunct action show that often didn't make sense? But, in the important things, it *did* make sense. It was 'true' in the sense of, that's how people would react - or at least, how the ideal people we would like to be, would behave. (Am I making sense? I have no idea...) > I don't know, KT. On one level it's "kewl" that I'm still "doomed" like > you to experience something satisfying in the Xenaverse. On the other, I > can't figure out if that says more about me (which it probably does) or the > "real" world to which I'm supposed to be more connected. Yeah, yeah, I > know. "That's the way it is, Ife. Deal with it." > > -- Ife The 'real' world is often banal, boring and unsatisfying. We have to live in it, who the Hades wants to watch it? ;) If I want that, I'll watch a doco. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:45:50 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] watching Xener In a message dated 6/23/2003 4:46:45 AM Central Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > >I don't know, KT. On one level it's "kewl" that I'm still "doomed" like > >you to experience something satisfying in the Xenaverse. On the other, I > >can't figure out if that says more about me (which it probably does) or the > >"real" world to which I'm supposed to be more connected. Yeah, yeah, I > >know. "That's the way it is, Ife. Deal with it." > > > >-- Ife > > The 'real' world is often banal, boring and unsatisfying. We have to live > in it, who the Hades wants to watch it? ;) If I want that, I'll watch a > > doco. > You know, you remind me that I used to think of the Xenaverse as "escapism" from "reality." Now I'm stunned by how so much of the "real" world seems unbelievable -- even "false" or "deluded" -- to me. I feel more like I'm escaping a fantasy world into the more fundamentally "truer" Xenaverse where I can have discussions with myself and others about what we need to live in a diverse, complex world community. Certainly there seems more emphasis on hopes and finding what unifies us, than on fears and getting stuck on what divides us. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:06:45 EDT From: Xwpacolyte@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] watching Xener In a message dated 6/22/03 11:22:11 PM Central Daylight Time, KTL writes: << Then the next thing I knew, a half an hour had flown by and the episode was over already! And I had once again been totally caught up by Lucy as Xena and somehow once again forgot all the cheese, all the sleaze, all the plot holes and dropped explanations and how much I don't care for the T&A Action Adventure genre. Yup, once again, due to Lucy as Xena, I just LOVED XWP again, just as much as I always had. (Well, as I had after the first six or so episodes from season two that were sometimes playing in the background as I did my homework and that just didn't hold my interest much until I got caught up by the humor and wild antics of Here She Comes Miss Amphipolis [Big indrawn breath.] From THAT night on, I was doomed.) And apparently, I shall stay doomed for the rest of my natural borned life. How kewl is that? >> Only for the rest of your natural borned life, KT? Why I'm planning on carrying this obsession on over into my next life too!! XWPacolyte Cupid and Psyche... Antony and Cleopatra... Xena and Gabrielle. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:51:05 EDT From: Xwpacolyte@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] "Soulmates" Revisited In a message dated 6/20/03 11:21:12 PM Central Daylight Time, "Kym Taborn" writes: << The concept first appeared in the show in Prometheus and that sparked the fan debate that had already started about it. It kind of gave what fans had been trying to formulate a context. The show did not explicitly use the concept of soulmates for X&G until the episdoe Between the Lines. By then, the fandom had already established the soulmates doctrine and had created Uber that explored it in more depth and detail. Since the episode Altared States, the show XWP has had a strong cross-fertilization with the Internet fandom. >> The soulmates story that Gabrielle told in "Prometheus" was not an XWP original, but was borrowed from Plato's Symposium. You can read it at the Tufts University site for their Perseus Project: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/ If you click on "classics" it will take you to a table of contents where you can scroll down to "Plato, Symposium." The part of the story used by XWP starts at page Sym. 189a. Be sure to click "English" for the translation, unless of course you can read Greek. XWPacolyte Cupid and Psyche... Antony and Cleopatra... Xena and Gabrielle. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:04:00 EDT From: MelosaQu@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] watching Xener In a message dated 06/23/2003 4:46:04 AM EST, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > The 'real' world is often banal, boring and unsatisfying. We have to live in it, who the Hades wants to watch it? ;) If I want that, I'll watch a doco.< Ayup. And as Buffy once said to Dawn (before she sacrificed herself to save the world....again), "The hardest thing in this world is to live in it." Ain't it the truth? I catch XWP every now and then on Oxygen and as KT pointed out, it IS a cheesy show. But that is what I love about it....that is just one of the things that drew me to it in the first place. The cheese, the humor, the friendship between the two main characters (the list goes on)....the FUN of it all. I have yet to find anything nowadays to watch that even compares to it. Believe me....I have tried. The shows that I did like were all prematurely canceled.....what's up with that? And what would have happened if XWP were canceled after only a few airings? I shutter to think about it! Oh sure....I may have saved money not going to the conventions and buying the memorabilia but I wouldn't have met the people I know now because of that show. And if the so called "Reality Shows" are supposed to be real?.....Be Afraid....Be Very Afraid!! Nope....I will take my fantasy/sci-fi shows over "Reality" any day! Just my thoughts..... ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:16:01 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #172 > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:07:22 EDT > From: IfeRae@aol.com > > > > I'm still trying to make up my mind about that. Is it a "good" sign that XWP > has spoiled me in terms of action shows I used to tolerate while eating > dinnter? That I've found only a handful of shows worth remembering what time they > come on (mostly comedies)? That, when I want to watch something I know I'll > enjoy, it's almost always an old Xena ep? Shouldn't I be moving on? Learning > how to once again watch stuff just because it happens to be on when I want > some background noise? Jeeze I thought I was the only one having trouble moving on. Nothing has really pricked my interest since Xena. Oh I've had some infatuations - The Pet Psychic but I kept thinking of fan fic stories where Sonya reads Argo, Birds of Prey briefly, Firefly briefly (I might have kept up with that one). Of course there is the History Channel, Discovery, TLC but usually theses are shows about the ancient world (did you see the guys making Greek Fire Sunday night and the really terrific street magician). I do have a major crush on Elton Brown from Good Eats on the Food network which may say more about me than I intended. I am looking forward to Lucy's documentary on women warriors but nothing else seems remotely interesting. > > I mean, I'm missing shows that are "defining" this period of American TV -- > e.g., "reality" shows with both actors and "real" people. I can't hold a > discussion about such shows, which suggests my ignorance about contemporary > culture. I suspect you haven't missed much. Contemporary culture is ideed sad when it is defined by "reality" shows that don't represent reality at all. Saying that, I did vote on American Idol so I am just as sad. >I hear about "real" world issues and wonder, "Didn't they watch XWP? Don't > they know that's been done and didn't turn out so good?" It can't be good to > see leaders as Caesar and think, "Carl Urban played him better." Surely, > there's something a little wrong with still finding that "all I ever wanted to > know" about key questions and answers is contained in a defunct action show that > often didn't make sense? It is even sadder to think that the real leaders of this world would be better played by Car Urban! > > I don't know, KT. On one level it's "kewl" that I'm still "doomed" like you > to experience something satisfying in the Xenaverse. On the other, I can't > figure out if that says more about me (which it probably does) or the "real" > world to which I'm supposed to be more connected. Yeah, yeah, I know. "That's > the way it is, Ife. Deal with it." Well this list is filled with the doomed and frankly I am pleased to be doomed if it means I don't find the Osbourns all that fascinating. CherylA (still working on FIN which she watched threee times this weekend - it rained a lot!) ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V3 #173 **************************************