From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #170 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Saturday, June 21 2003 Volume 03 : Number 170 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Soul Possession ["Kym Taborn" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Soul Possession From: "Cheryl Ande" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:21 PM Subject: [chakram-refugees] Soul Possession > Soul Possession > So is there any thing good in this episode. Yes there is. The story set in > the past is actually pretty good until we get to the Gabrielle and Hope part. > Kevin Smith is simply wonderful as Ares. His Ares is a god who always has > plan. Whatever Xena throws at him he has a come back. I simply loved his > proposal - down on one knee and his best 'gotta love me smile". Lucy is also > very good. I loved Xena's stunned reaction to Ares' marriage proposal - only > Ares can catch Xena flatfooted. Also I like how she had Xena outwardly so > certain Gabrielle is alive when inside you have the feeling Xena might still > fear she isn't. Ted Raimi is excellent as Joxer - here you see why Xena calls > this guy friend. Yes he is often foolish but he loves Xena and she can always > count on him to stand with her. ROC didn't have much to do in this episode > and frankly she didn't seem overly involved in Mattie - I think ROC was > thinking up baby names during filming. Finally we have Lucy in whip cream - > need we say more. In your listing of good things about the episode, you missed that Tapert and company acknowledged a fan ran website. That was the first time a genre show has done that. Although the episode had its problems, it was intended as a gift to the fans. It was silly and perhaps not what many of the fans wanted, but it was a playful tease to the culture of fandom that had grown up around the show, expecially, and primarily, on the Internet/web. The producers should be given a lot of credit for at least that. Kym ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:07:07 -0700 From: "Kym Taborn" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] "Soulmates" Revisited The concept first appeared in the show in Prometheus and that sparked the fan debate that had already started about it. It kind of gave what fans had been trying to formulate a context. The show did not explicitly use the concept of soulmates for X&G until the episdoe Between the Lines. By then, the fandom had already established the soulmates doctrine and had created Uber that explored it in more depth and detail. Since the episode Altared States, the show XWP has had a strong cross-fertilization with the Internet fandom. Kym - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: [chakram-refugees] "Soulmates" Revisited > Organizing some of my old XWP-related publications and talking (endlessly) > about Tsunami made me a bit nostalgic. I decided to revisit one of those eps I > don't think about much -- Ulysses (near the end of season 2). That in turn > made me think about a recent question about when "soulmates" first used. I > remember our talking about it as a concept, but not whether we'd heard the term > actually used before the last couple of seasons. If somebody found the first > reference, you can ignore the rest of this. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:40:05 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Soul Possession In a message dated 6/20/03 10:51:40 AM Central Daylight Time, ktaborn@lightspeed.net writes: << In your listing of good things about the episode, you missed that Tapert and company acknowledged a fan ran website. That was the first time a genre show has done that. Although the episode had its problems, it was intended as a gift to the fans. It was silly and perhaps not what many of the fans wanted, but it was a playful tease to the culture of fandom that had grown up around the show, expecially, and primarily, on the Internet/web. The producers should be given a lot of credit for at least that. >> Yes, those were my thoughts as I was watching it. Again, I thought the whole "how did Gabs get out of the pit" was actually a minor loose end among many. I think it was also a way of ending up with Xena in not just her own but a woman's body -- a nod to subtexters who thought the Xena-in-Joxer's body was another cop-out -- and to walk off into the sunset in a future setting like that. To me, "Soul Possession" was one among many last season eps that gave us a multiple of possible ways to view both the relationship and X&G alive together in some form or fashion. As usual, these eps had their attempts at continuity and some wonderful moments. On the whole, however, I did take them as "gifts" to various fans who'd always wanted to see what might otherwise have been outside the realm of what TPTB would've chosen to do on their own. I think it was an extraordinarily brilliant and generous way to allocate their remaining time and energy. I personally felt a lot of respect and affection for me as a fan, including the assumption that I had a sense of humor about myself as well as about them and the show. This particular ep acknowledged the different ways each of us "own" the soul of what we saw. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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