From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #152 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Monday, June 2 2003 Volume 03 : Number 152 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: When Fates Collide [Sekhmet209@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: When Fates Collide [cr ] [chakram-refugees] OT: The Rock [was: Scorpion King] ["Jackie M. Young" ] [chakram-refugees] Re: Xena's Braging rights ["Cheryl Ande" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 01:20:01 EDT From: Sekhmet209@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: When Fates Collide In a message dated 5/31/03 9:02:56 PM, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: >On Sunday 01 Jun 2003 10:36 am, Cheryl Ande wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "cr" >> [snip] >> Caesar in this >> timeline should know nothing of Gabby. I can see Caesar might be jealous, >> but why nervous? It would just give Caesar another way to control Xena - >> let her have her bit of fluff on the side. >> >> Caesar was the only one who remembered the other reality. Remember when >> Xena approaches him after her second visit with Alti and just as Gabby is >> about to be crucified she says something about breaking her legs was a bit >> drastic (referring to Destiny) and Caesar then says well he's had better >> experiences with women. Caesar confesses he has manipulated fate. So from >> Caesar's point of view if her can remember the other reality then others >> may be able to also. When Gabrielle suddenly shows up I think he is afraid >> that if they two get together they may somehow spark those memories. > >OK. Good point. So presumably Caesar managed to retain his memories >of the other world, while no-one else did. It was never explained how or >why, I guess we have to assume that it's something to do with the fact that >it was he who 'fixed' the loom. I think the precedent for that was set in "Star Trek", when the past was changed to a timeline in which humans never developed space travel. Despite the absence of Starfleet, the starship Enterprise still existed and its crew remembered "real" history, because one of the crewmen accidentally perpetrated the change (and, yes, they fixed it, but being more efficient than Gabby they only had to kill one person, not everybody, to do it ). It doesn't necessarily make sense, but the idea was used more than once and has now apparently become an accepted part of time-travel theory, at least in Fantasy/SF settings (where I guess I must spend a little too much of my time, because it never occurred to me that Caesar _wouldn't_ have retained his memories!). - --Sekhmet ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 07:35:26 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: When Fates Collide On Sunday 01 Jun 2003 5:20 pm, Sekhmet209@aol.com wrote: > > > >OK. Good point. So presumably Caesar managed to retain his memories > >of the other world, while no-one else did. It was never explained how or > >why, I guess we have to assume that it's something to do with the fact > > that it was he who 'fixed' the loom. > > I think the precedent for that was set in "Star Trek", when the past was > changed to a timeline in which humans never developed space travel. Despite > the absence of Starfleet, the starship Enterprise still existed and its > crew remembered "real" history, because one of the crewmen accidentally > perpetrated the change (and, yes, they fixed it, but being more efficient > than Gabby they only had to kill one person, not everybody, to do it ). Unlike Farscape, where their desperate efforts to patch things up just resulted in getting a group of women and children massacred. ('Different Destinations'). Hmmm. Xena.... Farscape.... I wonder why the series I like most seem to have things go wrong as often as they go right. Such as Blakes 7, a while a go, and long before that, in the days when TV heroes *always* got it right, I liked Danger Man (screened as 'Secret Agent' in the US), not least because every now and then the spy they were chasing would turn out to be completely the wrong person. > It doesn't necessarily make sense, but the idea was used more than once and > has now apparently become an accepted part of time-travel theory, at least > in Fantasy/SF settings (where I guess I must spend a little too much of my > time, because it never occurred to me that Caesar _wouldn't_ have retained > his memories!). > > --Sekhmet I didn't know that. I guess maybe it's a convention, a bit like faster-than-light travel (whether it's called 'warp speed' or 'starburst' or whatever) or teleports. Hmm, so Sekh's a Trekkie. Trekk_er_. I must remember to be polite about Trek on this list ;) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 22:15:49 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: [chakram-refugees] OT: The Rock [was: Scorpion King] On Tue, 27 May 2003 04:00:16 EDT, Trek4u269@aol.com wrote: >2. Duane Johnson aka the rock. >Hawaiian (he is an "island boy" as he calls himself and other polynesian >wrestlers) - --OK, not being a WWF fan I could be wrong, but I _think_ he spells his name "Dwayne Johnson"? I dunno....I might have CRS. ;=/ Anyway, when the Scorpion King first came out, there were several articles here about him being a "local boy" (from Hawai'i), but I'm not sure that he was actually born here? I think he and his family were from American Samoa, then moved here when he was young, but he was mostly raised here (the article, I remember, mentioned him going to a nearby store I still frequent ;) ). Wrestling, apparently, was a family tradition. The interesting thing about the movie (although I haven't yet seen it) is that Kelly Hu (who also plays Deathstrike on X-Men 2) is also a local girl from Hawai'i, and played the evil queen or something in Scorpion King along with Dwayne, and I think the article said that they both shared that in common on the set. ;) Anyway, hope this helps..... ;) - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 17:02:16 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: Xena's Braging rights - ----- Original Message ----- From: "chakram-refugees-digest" > > I could maybe understand "arrogant" or "snide" -- even "contemptuous." But > "bragging"? When there was no reason for her to want to impress Macon? I > just don't see anything uncharacteristic about her speaking the truth, especially > about herself. Is it because she said something positive, rather than > negative? Is it "right" if she only says what a terrible person she is? Is it > "wrong" because Gabrielle was supposed to be the "voice" for anything good about > Xena? > > - -- Ife OK I still don't get this argument that Xena was braging. Macon asked if I remember correctly: what did you expect? She answers truthful that she expected nothing from him - what she did was because of her own values. She is saying in effect that she didn't save him because she expected any gratitude from him just that she did it because she expects herself to act in that way. Now is she saying she is better than Macon well yes. She is better than Macon. Everyone on that ship was better than Macon. Macon was a bully, a coward and I do believe he also probably was abusing the young fellow when Xena came aboard to see the unconscious Autolycus. I think at this point she is just simply fed up with Macon and says exactly what's on her mind - yeah you stupid SOB I am better than you and you ought to be glad I am or you would be shark bait. Too bad Xena just didn't remember her good manners after nearly drowning dragging the idiot to the beach. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 17:15:10 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] RE WFC cr wrote: "If it's that easy, howcome no suicidal psycho hadn't done it before? (I'm not calling Gabs that, mind ;) - but just pointing out that there were doubtless many other desperate or unbalanced people in the world. On second thoughts, destroying the world just because everything around her personally was so disastrous, is rather suicidal and psychotic, I would've thought)." I just remembered something Katherine Fulgate mentioned at the convention. It seemed that ROC was also concerbned about Gabby destroying the world and asked Katherine if Gabby was killing everyone in the world. I gather the answer was no - Gabby was just resetting the timeline. I guess this made ROC feel better but I don't think altrenative Gabby cared. All she knew was the world was wrong and she was going to fix it or destro it. I think Gabby always had the makings of a fanatic and think at this point that kicked in. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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