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chakram-refugees-digest    Wednesday, May 28 2003    Volume 03 : Number 146



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Chakram                         [IfeRae@aol.com]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #143  [IfeRae@aol.co]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] 'There are thousands more like me'  [IfeRae@aol.com]
  [chakram-refugees] Gina Torres @ Cannes  [mirrordrum <aemoses@comcast.net>]
  [chakram-refugees] oops re: gina         [mirrordrum <aemoses@comcast.net>]

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Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:56:17 EDT
From: IfeRae@aol.com
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Chakram

In a message dated 5/27/03 9:29:31 AM Central Daylight Time, sswilso@uark.edu 
writes:

<< I know I can't throw a gun for anything. *g*  But seriously. I've been 
 watching this thread bounce around and the gun thing is a good analogy. >>

LOL!  Welcome!  Nothing like new analogies to wake up a horse I thought we'd 
kilt.

<< I've always figured that it was always a skill, to be able to throw and 
 catch the Chakram, that took considerable effort to learn to do very well. 
 Like firing a gun.>>

Yes, I'm with you so far.

 <<But then you have to explain how Callisto could, without 
 any backstory on it, and how Gabrielle could without any tutelage (none 
 that I remember seeing, anyway), et cetera.>>

Uh oh.  Sounds like you're slipping into the mysticism camp.  <g>

<< I've also just always figured 
 there was some far-off tree we never saw that Xena always used to ricochet 
 the thing off of. *s* >>

Okaaaaay.  Long as it's not a mystical tree.

<<However. Lao Ma taught Xena that anything can be used 
 as a weapon, and she demonstrated it with a harmless looking hair pin, but 
 learning how to control that weapon, and more importantly the person 
 wielding it, was the art.>>

Yes!  Still got at least one foot in my camp. (You can have several feet, 
btw, in these discussions.  I myself had one primary foot and two or three 
secondary feet.) 

<< In my thinking, it has less to do with the 
 Chakram being sentient or programmable, and more to do with the user's 
 ability to not just be "good" at it but so good that it becomes an 
 extension of themselves. That may be spiritual in some way, but it's my 
 best explanation. For now. :)
  >>

Yes!  An "extension" of themselves.   Another great explanation to cover all 
camps. I like it!  I knew there was somebody lurking out there who'd bring a 
unifying perspective to our scatter shots.  <g>

- -- Ife
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Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:56:23 EDT
From: IfeRae@aol.com
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #143

In a message dated 5/27/03 6:03:51 AM Central Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz 
writes:

<< On Tuesday 27 May 2003 11:20, Cheryl Ande wrote:
 > And
 >
 > > she deserved it, as she sure as Hades worked hard enough for it.
 > >
 > > You say "bragging."  I say "statement of fact."  So there!
 > >
 > > - -- Ife
 >
 > I have to agree with Ife here.  Xena did a good thing here and she is proud
 > of herself when she saves the idot from drowning.  Look there was time when
 > she would have let the sucker drown but she has moved away from that. 
 > She's damn proud of that change and she acknowledges it.  Gabrielle is
 > surprised not that Xena says that about herself but surprised that she
 > finally recognizes the nobility that is within herself.
 >
 > CherylA
 
 I think I hafta agree with KT.   It just sounds rather pretentious in its 
 phrasing.    Xena might say it but not in those words, IMO.
 
 (We're talking about "From you - nothing.   From me, nothing less" in case 
 everyone's forgotten).
 
 cr >>

Et tu, cr?  "Pretentious:  claiming or demanding a position of distinction or 
merit, especially when unjustified."   I guess what's so suprising to me 
about this is the implication that Xena's response exaggerated her own importance 
or was intended to make Macon feel "less than," when he himself communicated 
he didn't see himself as up to doing what Xena did.  It's like she walked up to 
him out of the blue, just to embarrass him  --  "Nah nah nah nah nah. I 
showed I'm better than you."  

Macon *initiated* the exchange, with something like, "Why did you come back?  
What did you expect?"   He couldn't see the profit or reward in Xena's 
action.  She essentially said, "I didn't expect anything from you. It's what I 
expect from myself that matters," as well as "I didn't expect any more from you 
than you were prepared to give --nothing."   What would've been unXenalike to me 
in that situation is either false modesty or complete dismissal of a genuinely 
asked question.  I just don't see how stating what motivates her is somehow 
uncharacteristic here, to the point of pretension or bragging.  <shrug>

- -- Ife  
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Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:56:20 EDT
From: IfeRae@aol.com
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] 'There are thousands more like me'

In a message dated 5/27/03 7:09:09 AM Central Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz 
writes:

<<  But wouldn't somebody (e.g. the Furies) have noticed 
 this fast-moving shiny thing in the background going boing-boing-ting ?
  >>

"Stealth" mode.

- -- Ife
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Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 18:40:21 -0400
From: mirrordrum <aemoses@comcast.net>
Subject: [chakram-refugees] Gina Torres @ Cannes

whoa! we had just watched bbc america news and "talking movies" followed. since it was about cannes this year i thought i'd catch a glim. they were doing the pre-show overviewy thing. you know, sunbathers, strollers, idlers and stars. in a line up of very glam stars i saw a black woman i thought i recognized. very swank, very glamorous indeed. peeled back hair and that slightly haughty cleo expression. actually couldn't place her for a few minutes. then i realized by the gods it's GT, apparently there for the showing of matrix reloaded! she looks *mah*velous, dahlings. <chuckle>

just a mention on the bbc site but if you're interested, here 'tis:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/news/entertainment/030522_matrix.shtml

md
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Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 18:42:35 -0400
From: mirrordrum <aemoses@comcast.net>
Subject: [chakram-refugees] oops re: gina

my bad. shows how much attention i was paying. they did open with cannes shots but the GT thing was from the matrix reloaded opening in london. *sigh* you can count on me for all the news that's fit to print. NOT!

egads!

md
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