From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #141 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Sunday, May 25 2003 Volume 03 : Number 141 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] The Chakram [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Last of The Centaurs [cr ] [chakram-refugees] Xena tearaway desk calendar quickie POLL [KTL ] Re: [chakram-refugees] The Chakram [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Last of The Centaurs [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena reviews [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] The Chakram ["Mark B." ] [chakram-refugees] Re; The Chaky ["Cheryl Ande" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Last of The Centaurs ["Cheryl Ande" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Last of The Centaurs [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] The Chakram [cr ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 03:40:00 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] The Chakram On Friday 23 May 2003 10:36, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/22/03 2:29:31 AM Central Daylight Time, > cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > > > << (Massive and gratuitous snippage) >> > > Isn't that illegal? Or is that just in the U.S.? Nah, it's illegal in most countries. In the US it's protected as a constitutional right but somebody will sue you for doing it. ;) > >Maybe I'll rewatch "Ides" and have a little > > memorial service for the chaky. ) > > That's an idea. I thought it was very symbolic that it broke. > Obviously. > And even rather sad. >> > > Oh, all right. I'll admit to feeling a slight tug when those two pieces of > the chaky fell in a pitiful heap. It didn't seem right for it to be > reduced to such. You and Cheryl happy now? Can't speak for Cheryl but - yes, you've got it. It was all sorts of symbolic, too. There was another sad moment in Fallen Angel (or was it Chakram) when Amarice produced the broken halves and said 'maybe it can be fixed' .... it was a nice thought but obviously such a hopeless impossibility. > > << So, even if the chacky was used > > > > against its 'will', it could still 'feel' as if it had betrayed its > > owner and needed 'redemption'. >> > > > > Cr? Is that you? If not, who are you and what have you done with my > > cr?! > > You should know, I always find some way to disagree with ya :)>> > > Yeah, but with "logic," not *feelings.* I'll readjust. This might become > a habit of yours. Versatile, that's me. (To misquote Salmoneus). > If it had self-homing ability, how did it distinguish which targets to hit? > If it was pre-programmed, what was the basis? It couldn't have been human > vs. thing or "good" person vs. "evil," as it managed to hit or target all > of those. Did it "choose" which random targets to hit when thrown by > Princess Diana? If it adjusted itself to hit what Xena was aiming at, how > did it "know" which target or how many she had in mind? Telepathy? > Sensitivity to the wrist motion of the thrower, whoever she was? It was given a specific target by the thrower. Yes, some sort of telepathy. When Xena launched it, she thought 'get the Furies' (or maybe she just had a mental image of the Furies which it picked up on) so it did. I'm also assuming that the thrower (whether Xena or Callisto or FIN Gabby) had to think in some particular way that was 'in tune' with the chacky. When Diana launched it, since she had no idea how to control it, the chacky had no target 'in mind' so just switched off its internal guidance and bounced off whatever happened to be in the way. > If you want to say the chaky was like some ancient form of supercomputer, > fine. I can accept that the same way I do Xena's super abilities. I could > even accept that it had "will," if I'd ever seen it do anything that didn't > seem intended by the user or accidental -- except maybe when it broke. > Callisto wanted to stop Xena, but I doubt Psycho Babe foresaw the chaky > breaking. Certainly hitting Xena's back shouldn't have broken it. I said > earlier that it broke because of some diety-like power. But maybe it did > break on its own (out of "loyalty" to its guardian), as its first and final > act of will. How's that? > > -- Ife Yes, that'll do me fine. I don't think it needs to have a 'will' of its own, just an ability to search for a designated target. I suppose its breaking in Ides could be seen as the result of an internal conflict caused by the entity that usually gave it its instructions (Xena) also being the target. A bit like those Windoze error messages - 'Program xxx has performed an illegal operation and will be terminated'. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 05:15:36 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Last of The Centaurs On Saturday 24 May 2003 14:27, Cheryl Ande wrote: > In this episode > everyone seems just happy as clams that Belach and his daughter are > reconciled and Xenan and Nicha will live happily ever after on her mother's > land. Yet the issue of justice for the centaurs is ignored and that's a > problem with the episode and it doesn't stem from Xena's character. It is > a problem with the writing. I haven't made my usual comments on this ep, partly 'cos my computer crashed, partly 'cos I don't really care for it. It's a pity - it had Ephiny in it, and Marton Csokas, it should heve been really good. But Ephiny was a ghost and hardly there, though I was longing for her to 'come back' somehow and start whacking people; and Belach just didn't have the fire or the interest of Borias. And, as you say, the slaughter of the centaurs is *not* something that can or should be forgiven just because he Saw the Light. I don't care how many parallels there might be between Evil Xena's slaughter of the Amazon leaders, for example - that was years ago and she had years of work to make up for it. In Belach's case, it's all over and forgiven in a few days? I don't think so. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 06:11:28 -0800 (AKDT) From: KTL Subject: [chakram-refugees] Xena tearaway desk calendar quickie POLL > Well, it looks like no space on the pages wins. But then---why HAVE a little calendar? I don't get it... I mean I presume you would want a little calendar mainly to carry it around with you. And if you're carrying it around, wouldn't a little space to keep your appointment notes on it be good? I actually took my big one on my last trip since I KNOW how Xena lonely I get when there's no Xener stuff around and boy was I happy to have it along. I'll drag that one cross country any day in order to have such an excellent selection of XWP pictures in such a handy (and useful!) (and BIG!) form to keep me company on my travels. I figure if you don't need a portable day minder type of calendar, then go for the BIG ones that you can hang on the wall and see from across the room. Personally, I'd go for the HUGE. I'd love to have a calendar as big as those hanging banners from the con--they were maybe five feet wide and about 20 feet long. I was VERY disappointed that that wasn't a choice. Of course, since it'd be so long, I'd have to hang it from the peak of my loft ceiling and then it'd be dropping down right in the middle of our tiny main room but so what? If people can't walk around my Xena calendar without accepting that beauty and fun trump aggravation and inconvenience any day, who needs them in my house? > > Here's another questions for ya. > > During the calendar poll of which types we should do, the winners were the > photo cal, tearaway and Lucy/Renee candid. The art montage calendar listed > very low. I'm curious as to why. What didn't you like about the art > montage calendar? Did you like 2002 better than 2003? Would it have been > #4 on your list of choices? > > Sharon Well, there's the rub. I could never get the damn poll to open. I seldom vote on these things, but someone noted on one of the lists that the art calendar wasn't doing real well. And since that one was my favorite one, I tried to go vote. And the poll never loaded for me. I saw a few other people mention that they had problems with getting the poll opened also. I LOVE the art calendar. I love how the pictures "refuse" to be confined, how they overflow typical calendar boundaries. I love how the images themselves overlap each other, how some shots are superimposed over other shots to form lovely patterns and also sometimes inspire thought-provoking subtle messages from the juxtapostion of the combined images. I think the art calendars feature excellent montages. And I just like this technique much better than using strictly defined and traditionally segregated calendar space. XWP pushed boundaries all the time. And it seems very appropriate that the XWP calendar does also. And bonus! When you have little faces on the "to write on" space, you can make up and sometimes even write your own little captions in for the characters. I REALLY like that part. Sometimes they comment on the show, sometimes they actually comment on my planned activities and just who it is I'm planning these activities with. So my first choice, HAD I BEEN ABLE TO VOTE! would have been the art calendar. In fact, if it were possible, I would have used all three of my votes for the art calendar. The little calendar would have been almost my last choice. And no, I wasn't going to vote for the Xena only calendar either. How can you possible have a Xena Warrior Princess calendar without Argo? KT ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 06:46:02 -0800 (AKDT) From: KTL Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena reviews > fsktl@aurora.uaf.edu writes: > > << I think that Xena has never considered her character as extraordinary--she > thinks lots of people are better people than she is. So when she > says, "There are thousands more like me", it's something she believes > absolutely and something therefore very truthful and valid for her to say. > >> > > Boy, this is a great example of how we can rationalize things diffeently, > using the same standard. You say rationalize, I say interpret. But then you say tomato and I say pajama so what the hell do you expect? Snipping some: I'm in total agreement about Xena's not seeing > herself has extraordinary -- in the sense of "better than" others as a > person. I too believe she sees everyone as having the capacity to do > extraordinary things if they're willing to commit to it and have faith in > themselves -- precisely because she knows the extent to which she is a > product of her own work ethic and hunger for new ways to challenge herself > and excel. > > Having said that, I liked the "thousands more" threat, but didn't find it to > be nearly as "Xenaeque" as the comment "from you, nothing; from me, nothing > less" ("Tsunami"), which you thought was totally unXena -- and for the same > reasons. As you may recall, I see her as someone who compares herself to > herself. If she's committed to something, she gives it her all -- expects > "nothing less" than her best shot. You saw it as uncharacteristic bragging > (comparison to the idiot guy), which I'd agree with if I saw it as that too. > Instead, I saw it as the flip side of "thousands more like *me*" -- with > confidence in herself radiating outward to others (except lost causes like > idiot guy). > > Anway, I just think it's interesting that we agree on the same character > trait, yet disagree on examples we think support that trait. Neither of > thinks she'd brag. You don't (nor did I) see her bragging with "thousands > more," even though some could interpret it that way. But with "nothing > less," you did see it as bragging (because another person was involved?), so > believed Xena wouldn't say that. She said it, so I looked for an > interpretation that wouldn't be bragging (which involved dismissing the other > person as her reference point). Fascinating. > > - Ife All I can say is that in Tsunami she states that her behavior patterns reflect her character traits and these are obviously and expectedly far more honorable and noble than another person's. In One Against an Army, she says that anybody would act the way she had (disregarding how much more successful the results of her acting the way she did was compared to how most people's attempts to single-handedly beat an army would be). And so yeah--in Tsunami she's bragging on herself, in OAAA, she's not. It could not BE more obvious. Phhhffft. KT ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 15:13:26 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] The Chakram In a message dated 5/23/2003 11:53:29 PM Central Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > It was given a specific target by the thrower. Yes, some sort of > telepathy. > When Xena launched it, she thought 'get the Furies' (or maybe she just had a > > mental image of the Furies which it picked up on) so it did. I'm also > assuming that the thrower (whether Xena or Callisto or FIN Gabby) had to > think in some particular way that was 'in tune' with the chacky. > > When Diana launched it, since she had no idea how to control it, the chacky > had no target 'in mind' so just switched off its internal guidance and > bounced off whatever happened to be in the way.>> You're kidding, right? I depend upon you for pseudo-scientific explanations. Telepathy does *not* qualify. > I don't think it needs to have a 'will' of its > own, just an ability to search for a designated target.>> Telepathically. I suppose its > > breaking in Ides could be seen as the result of an internal conflict caused > by the entity that usually gave it its instructions (Xena) also being the > target. A bit like those Windoze error messages - 'Program xxx has > performed an illegal operation and will be terminated'. > > Oy. You have indeed managed to come up with a plausible pseudo-scientific explanation after all, which still incorporates the "spirit" argument. I even like it. Bravo! - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 15:13:29 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Last of The Centaurs In a message dated 5/22/2003 9:26:55 PM Central Daylight Time, cande@sunlink.net writes: > Perhaps he did think he was wronged by the > centaursit still doesn't excuse the whole sale slaughter of a species. That > is the crime and Belach never says he is sorry or expresses any regrets > about > it. If he was wracked with guilt and remorse then I would say he deserved > forgiveness but I certainly never saw it. > Excellent point. I think the writers created this horrific genocidal event for dramatic effect without ever thinking through the purpose or what to do with it. Xenon's storyline got totally wiped out, just like his people, in deference to Belach's family issyews. There wasn't even a final shot of a mass burial site, to suggest the underlying irony. I'm used to seeing eps with loose ends, but to the point of tying everything else up in a neat little ribbon as if the loose ends (especially this important) didn't exist. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 15:13:22 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena reviews In a message dated 5/24/2003 9:46:55 AM Central Daylight Time, fsktl@aurora.uaf.edu writes: > All I can say is that in Tsunami she states that her behavior patterns > reflect her character traits and these are obviously and expectedly far > more honorable and noble than another person's.>> Okay, missy (madamy?). First of all, because *we* think that, what makes you think Xena sees it as any more than "The guy was drowning, I could save him, so I did." He couldn't understand that, because he wouldn't do that. Xena knew that too, so said she wouldn't expect him to. They both knew he was a piece of crap, but Xena's *job* was to save folks when possible, even crappy folks who'd happily let her drown. Again, like you, I don't think she would brag. What others saw as noble, she took in stride as "that's what I do," just like firemen who run into burning buildings. To *her* there's nothing extraordinary about that. It's others who make into more. > > In One Against an Army, she says that anybody would act the way she had > (disregarding how much more successful the results of her acting the way > she did was compared to how most people's attempts to single-handedly beat > an > army would be). > > And so yeah--in Tsunami she's bragging on herself, in OAAA, she's not. It > could not BE more obvious. Phhhffft. > Yes, there was a tinge of pride in her statement. I always liked it because it was one of the few times I heard her acknowledge something she wouldn't change about herself. Still, I doubt she would've said anything, if Dumbo hadn't cluelessly asked why on earth she came back for him. What could she have said that couldn't be interpreted as superior or bragging? ("Well, I've taken life guard lessons and knew how to hold my breath longer and not panic.") If she'd ignored him, that would be even more dismissive. Maybe she should've looked down sheepishly, brushed her toe around in the dirt and said, "Awww, twern't nothin'." Better yet, "Awww, twern't nothin'. You'd a done the same thing if you'd had 50 chances to redeem yourself, like I have." Heh, you'd have screamed, "What?! That's not my Xena! She'd never be that self-effacing in front of a piece of crap like that! Who's she think she is? Gabrielle?" Pfffft back! - -- Ife (Wiping the spittle off her chin. Ugh.) ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 16:00:41 -0500 From: "Mark B." Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] The Chakram cr wrote: > > It was given a specific target by the thrower. Yes, some sort of telepathy. > When Xena launched it, she thought 'get the Furies' (or maybe she just had a > mental image of the Furies which it picked up on) so it did. I'm also > assuming that the thrower (whether Xena or Callisto or FIN Gabby) had to > think in some particular way that was 'in tune' with the chacky. > > When Diana launched it, since she had no idea how to control it, the chacky > had no target 'in mind' so just switched off its internal guidance and > bounced off whatever happened to be in the way. I had rewatched that ep recently and remember that Diana did indicate to the little girl [not to be confused with the 'little people' of the kingdom] some off screen tree as the target. After the Chakram rebounded of just about everything, it did stick in a tree. By the little girl's reaction, it had seemed to me that the chakram did, in fact, hit the tree that Diana had mentioned. Mark B ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 17:58:59 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re; The Chaky IfeRae wrote: "What?!!!! You send me in circles, up walls, through the stratasphere with your "the chaky has spiritual qualities," and now you call it a mere "nifty weapon"?!!! Just as you've got me coming around to your vision?!!! Why, I oughta .... Ah, the joys of XWP discussion. Where else can you turn your world upside down and love every minute of it? Okay, you started all this. What's next? " Well as much as I enjoy draving you up the wall I haven't changed my position about the chaky. No I'm was just saying that I agreed with someone somewhere that said that chaky's more mystical powers were revealed over time simply because TPTB were making this stuff up as we went along. I don't think when Xena was given the chaky by her creator, the great and mighty Tapert, he thought of it has having a spiritual link with Xena. As time went on the chaky became more than it first seemed. It often reflects her spiritual path in some ways. It breaks when she breaks, and it regains it power when she does. In the fifth season we even see a kind of duality - the chaky can now split apart much as Xena must do in the fith season - she must become both a gentle mother and a ruthless killer in order defend her child and so the dual nature of the chaky is born. There think about that for a while. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 18:05:25 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Last of The Centaurs - ----- Original Message ----- From: "cr" To: "Cheryl Ande" ; ; "Sojourner" Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Last of The Centaurs >> > "I haven't made my usual comments on this ep, partly 'cos my computer crashed, > partly 'cos I don't really care for it." By profound sympathies on the computer crash - I know how you feel. "It's a pity - it had Ephiny in it, and Marton Csokas, it should heve been really good. But Ephiny was a ghost and hardly there, though I was longing for her to 'come back' somehow and start whacking people; and Belach just didn't have the fire or the interest of Borias." Yes I agree it seems such a waste of effort. You have good actors and one very beloved character and you would think you could have come up with a better episode. I almost seems as if TPTB were just trying to dead with all the loose ends - like why aren't there any centaurs anymore and let's go check in on Xenan. It seemed a very lackluster episode and it's a shame since we only have so few episodes left - each shoul be a gem. Well When Fates Collide is up next and so I hopw you have well computer for that one. I KNOW you have opinions on that one. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 23:04:53 +1200 From: cr Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: Xena tearaway desk calendar quickie POLL On Sunday 25 May 2003 02:09, KTL wrote: > > But then---why HAVE a little calendar? I don't get it... > (snip) > Personally, I'd go for the HUGE. I'd love to have a calendar as big as > those hanging banners from the con--they were maybe five feet wide and > about 20 feet long. I was VERY disappointed that that wasn't a choice. > Of course, since it'd be so long, I'd have to hang it from the peak of my > loft ceiling and then it'd be dropping down right in the middle of our > tiny main room but so what? If people can't walk around my Xena calendar > without accepting that beauty and fun trump aggravation and inconvenience > any day, who needs them in my house? > OK, how about Xena wallpaper. I don't mean on your computer, I mean real, life-sized Xena wallpaper that you can stick on your walls. The perfect item for the truly obsessed fan! It could even be themed... Xena hurling frypans in the kitchen, a hot tub scene for the subtexters in the bathroom (though I'd go for Xena taking a bath from 'Chakram', or maybe in the tub with Iolaus in The Warrior Princess, obviously!), the shot of Xena running for the outhouse from In Sickness and in Hell for the - umm, what do you people call the lavatory? You call that the 'bathroom' too? How confusing!, and maybe a campfire scene for the subtexters in the bedroom (though I'd choose something much more alluring to make me feel warm and cosy at night....) > > And no, I wasn't going to vote for the Xena only calendar either. How can > you possible have a Xena Warrior Princess calendar without Argo? > > KT Oh, KT, you're wicked! I was just starting to think 'this isn't the real KT' when I read the last word. It's the real KT all right. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 23:28:52 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] The Chakram On Sunday 25 May 2003 07:13, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/23/2003 11:53:29 PM Central Daylight Time, > > cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > > It was given a specific target by the thrower. Yes, some sort of > > telepathy. > > When Xena launched it, she thought 'get the Furies' (or maybe she just > > had a > > > > mental image of the Furies which it picked up on) so it did. I'm also > > assuming that the thrower (whether Xena or Callisto or FIN Gabby) had to > > think in some particular way that was 'in tune' with the chacky. > > (snip) > You're kidding, right? I depend upon you for pseudo-scientific > explanations. Telepathy does *not* qualify. This is the Xenaverse, remember. Gods doing stuff isn't pseudo-scientific either. Xena joining the chakrams in 'Chakram' isn't possible in any pseudo-scientific way. But I just find some 'magic' more credible than other 'magic'. > > I don't think it needs to have a 'will' of its > > own, just an ability to search for a designated target.>> > > Telepathically. Now you're starting to sound like KT! ;) > > I suppose its > > breaking in Ides could be seen as the result of an internal conflict > > caused by the entity that usually gave it its instructions (Xena) also > > being the target. A bit like those Windoze error messages - 'Program > > xxx has performed an illegal operation and will be terminated'. > > Oy. You have indeed managed to come up with a plausible pseudo-scientific > explanation after all, which still incorporates the "spirit" argument. I > even like it. Bravo! > > -- Ife Awww, I'm flattered. Thanks. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 23:43:52 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Last of The Centaurs On Sunday 25 May 2003 10:05, Cheryl Ande wrote: > By profound sympathies on the computer crash - I know how you feel. Umm, thanks! It only took me a day to sort it out - would you believe a bad hard drive *cable* ? (And not just open-circuit, it was shorting somewhere and made all my hard drives appear to go 'bad' by turns). Of course I suspected everything else - drive controllers, drives, motherboard, even the BIOS - first! 8 hours scratching my head and it cost one dollar to fix - the cost of another cable at the local computer fleamarket. > Yes I agree it seems such a waste of effort. You have good actors and one > very beloved character and you would think you could have come up with a > better episode. I almost seems as if TPTB were just trying to dead with > all the loose ends - like why aren't there any centaurs anymore and let's > go check in on Xenan. It seemed a very lackluster episode and it's a shame > since we only have so few episodes left - each shoul be a gem. Yes, I agree, it's like the last few eps were 'tying-up-loose-ends' (particularly Centaurs and Soul Possession). But in terms of that, Belach slaughtered *all* the Centaurs? Not just his local ones? Howcome there were so few of them? That was never explained. And if there were many of them, that is, enough to form a stable population of centaurs, then it would take a Caesar-type military campaign to wipe them out, not just a one-off raid by Belach's men. Therefore, there were indeed only a few left. Howcome? > Well When Fates Collide is up next and so I hopw you have well computer for > that one. I KNOW you have opinions on that one. > > CherylA Yeah. So does KT ;) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 23:32:56 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] The Chakram On Sunday 25 May 2003 09:00, Mark B. wrote: > > When Diana launched it, since she had no idea how to control it, the > > chacky had no target 'in mind' so just switched off its internal guidance > > and bounced off whatever happened to be in the way. > > I had rewatched that ep recently and remember that Diana did indicate to > the little girl [not to be confused with the 'little people' of the > kingdom] some off screen tree as the target. After the Chakram > rebounded of just about everything, it did stick in a tree. By the > little girl's reaction, it had seemed to me that the chakram did, in > fact, hit the tree that Diana had mentioned. > > Mark B Umm, OK. I think at the time we were meant to conclude that it stuck in the tree by luck. I still think that. But I suppose there's a possibility that the chacky actually picked up on Diana's thought processes. It's not something I'd care to base my argument upon, though ;) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V3 #141 **************************************