From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #135 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Monday, May 19 2003 Volume 03 : Number 135 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] 'There are thousands more like me' [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] 'There are thousands more like me' [cr >The only "magic" about it seems to be shown in FIN when the Chakram is the > >ONLY thing that Xena can't pick up. She can pick up ghosts and living > >people, she can wear clothes, she can pick up and use weapons like the > >katana. The ONLY things she can't pick up is the chakram. > > Sorry, KT, I can't agree with you. The chakram *definitely* has > super-normal powers. Not to be too nit-picky (heh), but my original suggestion was that the chakram did not make Xena who she was, that it seemed to be an instrument that could be used for good or evil by both Xena and others (including Princess Diana, tho with little control). Indeed, in "Ides," it was used to nearly destroy its supposed master. Interestingly, I happened to re-read a newsletter interview with Steve Sears, where he talks about carefully choosing the staff for Gabrielle because it can be purely defensive, as well offensive. "Hooves" starts out with Gabs picking up a stick, which she sees as good for walking, leaning and killing bugs. Xena takes it and twirls it around like a staff. Sears says, "Xena looks at everything around her as a weapon. That's a natural ability she can't turn off." I'll let you and KT argue about whether the chakram was more "super normal" than that frying pan Xena turned into a chakram or the wet piece of cloth she somehow stiffened into a staff (in "Between the Lines"). That has little bearing on my point that TPTB seemed to be saying that who Xena was inside was more important than the physical weapons at her disposal. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 21:15:09 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] 'There are thousands more like me' On Sunday 18 May 2003 19:04, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > Not to be too nit-picky (heh), but my original suggestion was that the > chakram did not make Xena who she was, that it seemed to be an instrument > that could be used for good or evil by both Xena and others (including > Princess Diana, tho with little control). Indeed, in "Ides," it was used > to nearly destroy its supposed master. Oh, agreed. Still don't mean it wasn't magic, though. ;) > Interestingly, I happened to re-read a newsletter interview with Steve > Sears, where he talks about carefully choosing the staff for Gabrielle > because it can be purely defensive, as well offensive. "Hooves" starts out > with Gabs picking up a stick, which she sees as good for walking, leaning > and killing bugs. Xena takes it and twirls it around like a staff. Sears > says, "Xena looks at everything around her as a weapon. That's a natural > ability she can't turn off." I seem to recall she did just that on frequent occasions in the series. Used unconventional objects as weapons, that is. > I'll let you and KT argue about whether the chakram was more "super normal" > than that frying pan Xena turned into a chakram or the wet piece of cloth > she somehow stiffened into a staff (in "Between the Lines"). Oh I hated that. One of those impossibilities that *didn't* work. Magic I can accept, but silly McGyverish tricks just make me cringe. > That has > little bearing on my point that TPTB seemed to be saying that who Xena was > inside was more important than the physical weapons at her disposal. > > -- Ife I agree there, the chacky's abilities are irrelevant in that respect. OTOH, I do still think that the chakram was, in a unique sense, 'her' weapon, and that she had more association with it (vide 'Chakram') and more control over it than any of the others who occasionally used it. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 17:17:29 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] 'There are thousands more like me' In a message dated 5/18/2003 4:29:09 AM Central Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > I agree there, the chacky's abilities are irrelevant in that respect. > OTOH, I do still think that the chakram was, in a unique sense, 'her' > weapon, > and that she had more association with it (vide 'Chakram') and more control > > over it than any of the others who occasionally used it. > Absolutely. In "Been There," we see Xena spending all that time studying angles, distances, surfaces etc. to achieve that ridiculously impossible chakram throw. On one hand, it was like a parody of her uncanny ability with the thing. On the other, it was like support for the notion that she's its master, rather than its having a mind of its own. It's certainly different from Wonder Woman's lasso, which did have the ability to make people tell the truth. Once again, Xena used her own knowledge (not to mention physical "persuasion") to do that with "the pinch." - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 13:12:16 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: [chakram-refugees] OT: RL Violence [was: Comments on FIN added to Xena Season 1 dvd...ad infinitum ;) ] *Sorry*, I know this is late, but been behind in _every_thing....;( On Tue, 6 May 2003 20:48:35 +1200, cr wrote: >There's a big gap, for me, between my 'real-life' beliefs (which lean >towards the pacifist) and what I like to watch on TV. - --Actually, I think I'm one of the few Xenites locally that actually _is_ like X IRL (at work, at home, etc.). ;) That might be why I'm having a hard time finding a new job. ;=) *hehe!* I mean, I don't go around chakraming people when they come into my office, obviously, but I also don't go groveling at their feet like most other secretaries do, and I'm not beyond standing up for myself when I think I'm being patronized (and I'm not beyond arguing about it, either). I don't _enjoy_ disputes, but I don't avoid them, either. So I'm not sure "pacifist" would be a word I'd use to describe myself. ;P OTOH, I'm not sure "pacifist" would be a word I'd use to describe you, either, Thel. ;P >The only thing that would give me qualms of conscience about watching >Xena is the idea that viewers might get used to violence and accept it. >But I honestly don't think it has a lot of effect on most adequately >balanced individuals, and the few nut cases are a lost cause anyway. >(IMO). Does it cause the great mass of the populace to be more >accepting of violence in their name? Well, past ages have been >incredibly violent and they didn't have TV or movies to brainwash them >into it. - --I took a journalism class this semester that examined, in part, the effect that TV and technology has on the population. I know there are conflicting studies out there, but there was a recent study that we read about that tracked children and how much TV violence they saw, and the study continued until they became adults. The article we read was very general, but the study did find that TV violence in childhood made for more violence-prone or violence-tolerant adults. :=/ So, apparently, TV violence does have an effect on people. I agree times were rougher in the "olden days", but to counteract that, courtesy and protocol had a higher priority than they do today. Nowadays, Reality TV is the norm and I think that's reflected in our "let it all hang out" everyday behavior. So maybe I'm a product of a violent TV generation......(or was XWP in another life ;) ) ;) [BG] Just FYI, ;) - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... 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