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chakram-refugees-digest     Monday, April 21 2003     Volume 03 : Number 108



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena reviews                        [IfeRae@aol.com]
  Re: Male Bards (was: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena reviews)  [KTL <fsktl@aur]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] Re:  [Chakram-refugees] Thousands--  [Richan@aol.co]
  [chakram-refugees] TV Guide - "The Best TV On DVD"  ["bookdaft" <bookdaft@]
  [chakram-refugees] Aphrodite inHelen of Troy?           [KLOSSNER9@aol.com]
  [chakram-refugees] docu oracle at Delphi                [KLOSSNER9@aol.com]
  [chakram-refugees] TTodd on The District 4/19/03  ["Jackie M. Young" <jyou]
  [chakram-refugees] Hellen of Troy and Horsing Around       [Richan@aol.com]
  [chakram-refugees] Re: Male Bards                          [IfeRae@aol.com]

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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 02:58:35 EDT
From: IfeRae@aol.com
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena reviews

In a message dated 4/19/2003 8:07:23 PM Central Daylight Time, 
mab961@satx.rr.com writes:

> Even eps that I have not really cared for seem to always a scene, a 
> line, a look or a raised eyebrow that I like.  In 'Key' you had some 
> great 'Meg' scenes.  'King Of Assassins' had some funny stuff with Auto, 
> Jett and  Gabrielle.  Even MWF, which everyone seemed to hate, had 
> scenes I liked that showed Gabby's dealing and straightening out both 
> her hubby and her kids... and she throws a mean knife too!! <G>
> 
> Mark
> 

Okay, this is sneaky, but in order not to do a one-word response, I'll say I 
agree with you about the eyebrow, "Key" (was moved by the last Xena/Meg 
dialogue) and "Fishsticks."  I liked "Assassins" okay, but mainly because of 
Gina Torres, Gabs konking herself in the head, and Xena's concluding fight 
scene and chat with Cleopatra.

- -- Ife
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 00:49:45 -0800 (AKDT)
From: KTL <fsktl@aurora.uaf.edu>
Subject: Re: Male Bards (was: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena reviews)

> > Anyway I used the post to plug L. Fox's story simply because
> > I thought they were very good.  Also there are so few guys
> > writting I just like to get their names out there.


I didn't realize L Fox was a guy.

>
> Can anyone think of some other male bards? Off the top of my
> head the names Darkone, Kamouraskan, XeniteSupreme/Xenamaster,
> and Glaurung come to mind.
>
> --
> Cousin Liz  eas01@fast.net
>


Dr. Bob was a very early bard.  He's on Tom's Xenafan list. I liked him
but he writes about sex in a very clinical way. Uses the real words rather
than cutesy or graphic terms. But I thought he caught X&G's relationship
very well. Gabrielle is a total voyeur and I can kind of see that. He
stopped writing a while ago, but his stories are still up on Tom's site.

Jamie Boughen has a large body of work.

James Fadden was a very early bard, wrote absolutely hilarious stuff. (and
hilarious posts) But he's been gone from the Xenaverse for a long time
now.

KT
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 08:58:57 EDT
From: Richan@aol.com
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re:  [Chakram-refugees] Thousands--

Boeotian writes:

<< The Persians would conquer a place, then draft local people to 
help conquer the next place. >>

Not draft but impress? Draft implies you put your population into service 
using duty to country as the reason.You can refuse service if you choose 
though. Impress implies that you force a population local or foreign into 
into service 
without choice. The pattern of recruiting you suggest seems to be more Roman 
in nature. Conquer then recruit. Swelling the ranks of an army generally 
requires 
that there be a call to arms for defense or promise of pay and intrigue to 
conquer. 
And since the Persians were in the conquering frame of mind that's why I 
suggested mercenaries. "Come see the 'known world' and get some booty!" might 

be a recruiting slogan.

In fact, I am reminded of "The Path Not Taken" where Xena pretends to offer 
her 
army to the highest bidder then switch sides to keep the war going. (I wonder 
if 
someone didn't do this during the Trojan War to keep it going for as long as 
it did.) 

<< As for the question of the Persians going around Xena and her barn in 
OAAA, the fight was based loosely on Thermopylae, where the main Persian
Army, which was huge, had to go along the narrow sea coast between the 
sea and the mountains, >>

I viewed the barn as an ammo dump identified by Persians spies as a target 
to be aquired in order to keep the weapons out of the hands of the locals. 
I feel this even more stongly now as I watch US troops search out and destroy 

ammo dumps in Iraq.

<< As for my own feelings, I disliked the Xena-defeats-hundreds fight as 
ridiculous in a way not suitable to the show, but I liked the line. >>

I liked the line too. I conjures up the idea of a superbly trained and 
through that 
training confident individual. Again I am reminded of "An Army of One."


Richan 
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 15:00:50 -0400
From: "bookdaft" <bookdaft@voyager.net>
Subject: [chakram-refugees] TV Guide - "The Best TV On DVD"

I received my print version of next week's TV Guide (April 26 -May 2) and
lo, there it was, listed along with the X-Files; Buffy, The Vampire Slayer;
and Star Trek: The Next Generation, among others.  Here is the blurb TV
Guide wrote for Xena:

"XENA: WARRIOR PRINCESS: Season 1 (1995-96; $89.98; available April 29)
Feminist action hero, teen-boy fantasy, lesbian icon - Xena was all that and
a worldwide phenomenon to boot.  This seven-disc set showcases the
tough-but-tender sexiness that made Lucy Lawless a star.  EXTRAS:  Entry
form for a sweepstakes with a $100,000 'Golden Sword' Xena collectible as a
top prize."

This most likely is the Anchor Bay offering, so the price quoted above may
not quite be accurate.  Certainly, if you want this, do some shopping
around.  I ordered mine from Best Buy a couple of weeks ago for around
$59.00.  shipping and handling will push it over the $60 amount, but that is
still far cheaper than the videotape version sold by Panzer-Davis some years
ago.

The article also included some of my all-time favorite shows as being among
the best TV shows going out on DVD.  Among them are Star Trek: The Original
Series and Batman: The Animated Series.  There are many others, but these
three alone are at the top of my list of series to purchase.

bd
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 18:34:59 EDT
From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com
Subject: [chakram-refugees] Aphrodite inHelen of Troy?

The Internet Movie Database entry for Helen of Troy, the USA Network
miniseries which begins tonight, lists an actress playing "Aphrodite".

This is a little surprising.  I had gained the impression that the mini is
supposed to be a realistic retelling of the Trojan story, so it's odd if
they have one of the gods on hand.  Articles I have seen say that Helen
is victimized by both Greeks and Trojans in the mini, as in the Xena 
episode Beware Greeks --, but unlike XWP they have Paris as a good 
fellow.

Boeotian
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 19:41:16 EDT
From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com
Subject: [chakram-refugees] docu oracle at Delphi

Last week the History channel series Secrets of the Ancient World had 
an episode "Oracle at Delphi."  It was pretty good, even though the narrator
kept pronouncing the second syllable of Dalphi as a long i, while the 
talking-head archeologists and geologists correctly pronounced it with a 
long e.

A French expedition in the 1890s concluded that there were no 
underground fissures at Delphi which could explain the trances into 
which the oracles fell.  This seemed to eliminate underground fumes 
as a natural cause for the phenomenon and suggested that the whole 
oracle system may have been a fraud.  Now a new investigation, with 
modern geological methods, has found that there were two fissures under 
the Delphi temple and that they may have emitted gases which would have 
a hallucinogenic effect.  This suggests that the oracles and those in charge 
of the temple may have considered their powers genuine.

They kept showing an artist's conception of the oracle as a New Agey 
kind of person with one breast almost exposed.  The silent oracle seen
in the XWP episode Callisto was much more dignified.

Boeotian
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 16:42:30 -1000 (HST)
From: "Jackie M. Young" <jyoung@lava.net>
Subject: [chakram-refugees] TTodd on The District 4/19/03

I was watching The District on CBS (as I did last week when I saw Mindy
Clarke on) this past Sat. 4/19, and lo and behold, I see Tony Todd (Cecrops)
playing a custodian who's an ex-con, but reformed.  A significant part of
the storyline had to do with how to treat him because he was an ex-con
working in a police dept., and how to deal with him lying about his real
name and giving them an alias.  Kinda meaty. ;)

He and Mindy Clarke and anyone else I've been missing on that show should
form an "Ex-XWP Actors" group, though.....;=)


Just FYI,
- --Jackie

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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 23:25:59 EDT
From: Richan@aol.com
Subject: [chakram-refugees] Hellen of Troy and Horsing Around

As I watched the special "The Making of 'Hellen of Troy,"" I couldn't but 
admire
the art departments conceptualization of the Trojan horse. Apparently great 
thought was given as to how the 40 foot horse was to look. It's final form 
was
based on asking the simple question, "What materials would be available to
construct the horse?" The decision was made to make the horse look as if it
assembled from dismantled ships of the Greek fleet.

The TPTB at Renaissance Pictures did the same. Only the horse was
constructed from the reed boats you see in every other episode of "Xena:
Warrior Princess." Can you imagine the Greek fleet made of reed boats?
Hysterical!

Richan
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 00:15:29 EDT
From: IfeRae@aol.com
Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: Male Bards

In a message dated 4/20/2003 3:50:23 AM Central Daylight Time, 
fsktl@aurora.uaf.edu writes:

> Jamie Boughen has a large body of work.
> 
And Jim Kuntz.

- -- Ife
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