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chakram-refugees-digest   Wednesday, April 16 2003   Volume 03 : Number 103



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena reviews                        [IfeRae@aol.com]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena reviews                  [cr <cr@orcon.net.nz>]
  [chakram-refugees] 'There are thousands more like me'  [cr <cr@orcon.net.n]
  Re: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena reviews                 [cande@sunlink.net]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] 'There are thousands more like me'  [Meredith Tarr ]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] 'There are thousands more like me'  [Richan@aol.com]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] 'There are thousands more like me'  [Sojourner <soj]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] 'There are thousands more like me'  [IfeRae@aol.com]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena reviews                        [IfeRae@aol.com]

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:55:00 EDT
From: IfeRae@aol.com
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena reviews

In a message dated 4/14/2003 1:01:35 PM Central Daylight Time, 
cande@sunlink.net writes:

> There will be no Xena review this week.  My home computer has been attacked 
> by a virus and is in the hospital.  It is very ill and may be brain 
> damaged.  Also I am told this a new virus and this adds to the problem.>>

Poor baby!  Oh, and you too, of course.  <g>  

<<  I have been a bad mother have not backed my files for awhile so I amm 
very > worried. >>


Just how bad do you feel?  Bad enough to use pencil and paper, perhaps snail 
mail the review to cr for transcription and emailing?  Bad enough to borrow a 
computer while yours is in the hospital?  I'm not unsympathetic to your 
plight, just trying to gauge whether the "guilt card" will spur you into 
searching for alternatives to soothe those of us chickies who must suffer 
because of your motherly neglect.

> 
> Anyway I did watch a bunch of season 1 episodes.  I did notice in Hooves 
> and Harlots Melosa's tribe apparently lived a very thisk rainforest thus 
> their tree climbing abilities.  Varia's tribe seems to live where there 
> aren't many trees thus 

"TREES"?!!!  Um, this isn't quite the substitute I had in mind.  Hey!  Now 
that I think of it, if you managed to send out that little tidbit, how come 
you can't manage a *real* review?  Huh?  Huh?

- -- Ife the impatient
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 18:06:57 +1200
From: cr <cr@orcon.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena reviews

On Tuesday 15 April 2003 06:00, cande@sunlink.net wrote:
> There will be no Xena review this week.  My home computer has been attacked
> by a virus and is in the hospital.  It is very ill and may be brain
> damaged.  Also I am told this a new virus and this adds to the problem.  I
> have been a bad mother have not backed my files for awhile so I amm very
> worried.  Those on Xena Archivist will be hearing from me soon begging for
> stories.

Ouch!    I'm sorry to hear that.   Hope they can recover most of your files.  
 
If you've lost anything like episode transcripts I can help replace 'em 
(though I think Whoosh still have them all up).   I certainly have the 
article you wrote on 'Amazon High'.


> Anyway I did watch a bunch of season 1 episodes.  I did notice in Hooves
> and Harlots Melosa's tribe apparently lived a very thisk rainforest thus
> their tree climbing abilities.  Varia's tribe seems to live where there
> aren't many trees thus my contenetion Varia's tribe is a different tribe.
>
> CherylA

Umm.    But by the time of 'Endgame', that very same tribe wasn't in a 
rainforest.    So I tend to think that Marga's tribe (and after her Varia's) 
was the same one.   

cr
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 22:26:02 +1200
From: cr <cr@orcon.net.nz>
Subject: [chakram-refugees] 'There are thousands more like me'

I was just watching Coffee Talk 2, which is interesting (would have been even 
more interesting if Sharon had selected some clips that *weren't* subtext!)  
- - but anyway, they screened that fight in One Against an Army and that line I 
always thought was so unconvincing - "Go home, there are thousands more like 
me".    Nothing wrong with Lucy's delivery of the line, but in the 
circumstances - why would anybody believe it?  It struck Lucy the same way - 
"I can't believe they bought that though.   'Yeah? Where?'       Why didn't I 
even question that line?    I probably did and they said 'Just shut up Lucy, 
say it'  "

One of those occasions when the director should have listened to the star, 
IMO.

cr
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:17:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: cande@sunlink.net
Subject: Re: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena reviews

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From: cr <cr@orcon.net.nz>

"Umm.    But by the time of 'Endgame', that very same tribe wasn't in a 
rainforest.    So I tend to think that Marga's tribe (and after her
Varia's) 
was the same one."

Now we can have an esoteric discussion about what happened to the rain forest (other than TPTB just forgot about all those trees).  Perhaps that is what happened to the Amazons.   There was a ecological disaster and the Amazons lost the habitate they were most comfortable in and thus their decline.

Anyway back to Amazon breading habits.  I know you don't read fan fiction but there is a series written by Leonard Fox called Young Ephiny.  It's a great series in which he constructs an Amazon culture and history around the premisses prsented in H&H and The Quest.  Anyway he had the Amazons go out and find a guy and basically breed.  It was also pretty much expected the Amazon would produce at least one child.  The Amazons because of this practice eventually became very fertile (natural selection at work here) and got pregnant quite easily.  The political problem this resented was that Melosa was unable to have children thus this resulted in a succession crises.  Valasca was adopted because her mother was Melosa's friend but this but her in conflict with Terris, Melosa's heir.  Valasca proved troublesome and eventually left the tribe.  This sets up the problems in both H&H and The Quest.  I recommend the stories.  Leonard is a fine writter and one of the few men who write Xena fan fiction.

CherylA  
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 06:42:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Meredith Tarr <meredith_tarr@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] 'There are thousands more like me'

Hi,

Wow, this is spurring me out of lurkerdom, you know it
must be good!  <g>

- --- cr <cr@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
> - but anyway, they screened that fight in One
> Against an Army and that line I 
> always thought was so unconvincing - "Go home, there
> are thousands more like 
> me".    Nothing wrong with Lucy's delivery of the
> line, but in the 
> circumstances - why would anybody believe it?  

That's one of my top three all-time favorite lines in
the series.  It's just *so* perfect in the situation.

I mean, come on.  You've just watched a fight in which
one woman in a barn defeated an entire army of Persian
invaders.  Why on earth would you go back and pick up
your disbelief where you suspended it when you sat
down to watch an episode of X:WP, just to worry about
the ramifications of the punch line?!

> One of those occasions when the director should have
> listened to the star, IMO.

I couldn't disagree with you more.  It's the perfect
capper to the most over-the-top battle up to that
point in the series.  Any less outrageous line would
have been anticlimactic.  (And really, IMO the only
thing they ever came up with afterwards that went even
further over the top was that silly dam Xena built in
an afternoon in "The Abyss".)

Meredith
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:25:18 EDT
From: Richan@aol.com
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] 'There are thousands more like me'

In the light of the events in Iraq I am reminded of the the US Army's new 
slogan:
"An army of one." A couple of the below http links cite the followng: 

Secretary of the Army Louis Caldera announced the new Army slogan that 
underscores the importance of individuals in a unified effort and unveiled a 
new Army logo - a white star superimposed overa yellow star - during a 
Department of Defense press briefingat the Pentagon Jan. 10. "I am 
tremendously inspired by this new campaign and feel as if we are conveying a 
more accurate view of the men and women who comprise our Army," Caldera said. 
"It speaks to the individual strengths of each soldier and their part within 
the overall Army force."

I believe the Persian army confronted by Xena was mercenary in nature and not
necessarily as inspired as Xena was to protect her homeland.

http://www.dtic.mil/armylink/news/Jan2001/a20010110slogan.html

http://www.army.mil/soldiers/feb2001/features/slogan1.html

http://www.business2.com/articles/web/0,1653,15846,00.html

Richan
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:18:28 +0100
From: Sojourner <sojourner@paradise.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] 'There are thousands more like me'

At 06:42 15/04/2003 -0700, Meredith Tarr wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Wow, this is spurring me out of lurkerdom, you know it
>must be good!  <g>
>
>--- cr <cr@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
> > - but anyway, they screened that fight in One
> > Against an Army and that line I
> > always thought was so unconvincing - "Go home, there
> > are thousands more like
> > me".    Nothing wrong with Lucy's delivery of the
> > line, but in the
> > circumstances - why would anybody believe it?
>
>That's one of my top three all-time favorite lines in
>the series.  It's just *so* perfect in the situation.
>
>I mean, come on.  You've just watched a fight in which
>one woman in a barn defeated an entire army of Persian
>invaders.  Why on earth would you go back and pick up
>your disbelief where you suspended it when you sat
>down to watch an episode of X:WP, just to worry about
>the ramifications of the punch line?!
>
> > One of those occasions when the director should have
> > listened to the star, IMO.
>
>I couldn't disagree with you more.  It's the perfect
>capper to the most over-the-top battle up to that
>point in the series.  Any less outrageous line would
>have been anticlimactic.  (And really, IMO the only
>thing they ever came up with afterwards that went even
>further over the top was that silly dam Xena built in
>an afternoon in "The Abyss".)
>
>Meredith


Gadzooks! I'm with you on this one Meredith. It's an episode which builds 
and builds through levels of physical and emotional intensity, climaxing in 
the one of the best fight sequences in all 6 series - with the boing boing 
bit just the OTT for me - and the moment of "f*** you buddy" comes with 
Xena and that line. I reckon it was the "and your mother!" kind of line.

Afterwards is the post-climax cuddling and wind-down, with the obligatory 
funny line from the ex-dying now-sleepy Gabby.

Sojourner
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:04:59 EDT
From: IfeRae@aol.com
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] 'There are thousands more like me'

In a message dated 4/15/03 8:44:11 AM Central Daylight Time, 
meredith_tarr@yahoo.com writes:

<<  It's the perfect
 capper to the most over-the-top battle up to that
 point in the series.  Any less outrageous line would
 have been anticlimactic.  (And really, IMO the only
 thing they ever came up with afterwards that went even
 further over the top was that silly dam Xena built in
 an afternoon in "The Abyss".) >>

LOL!  Yes!  Accompanied by that "Magnificent 7" type music, which they 
repeated when she built that silly catapault thingy in "Prey," which she used 
to try to launch the injured Varia into safety.  One of my other favorite 
"There Are Thousands"  (which I will now refer to as TATMLM) moments is way 
back in "Callisto," when Xena's balancing herself on a suspended ladder, 
leaning forward, and manages not only to catch but to dangle her nemesis in 
the air with one hand by a piece of string.  That's when I figured Callisto 
was a lot skinnier than I thought, or Xena a lot stronger.  <g>

Any other TATMLM moments that stand out for others?

- -- Ife
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:05:01 EDT
From: IfeRae@aol.com
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena reviews

In a message dated 4/15/03 1:56:14 AM Central Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz 
writes:

<< Ouch!    I'm sorry to hear that.   Hope they can recover most of your 
files.  
  
 If you've lost anything like episode transcripts I can help replace 'em 
 (though I think Whoosh still have them all up).   I certainly have the 
 article you wrote on 'Amazon High'.
  >>

Bwahahahaha!  I already volunteered you as Cande's aide de camp, not 
realizing you'd actually volunteer yourself.  What a guy!  

<<But by the time of 'Endgame', that very same tribe wasn't in a 
rainforest.    So I tend to think that Marga's tribe (and after her Varia's) 
was the same one.  >>

Grrrr.  Must you give *everything* a thoughtful response?  I'm trying to 
encourage Cande to do her reviews, not get all hung up in trees!  Do you two 
really care whether the tribe TPTB made up for Marga was the same as the one 
they made up for Varia?  D'uh, what am I saying.  Of course you do.   Where's 
my buzz saw?

- -- Ife
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