From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #77 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Wednesday, March 19 2003 Volume 03 : Number 077 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Dangerous Prey [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [cr ] [chakram-refugees] Re: Metro Article [cande@sunlink.net] [chakram-refugees] [AdrienneWilkinsonFanClubNews] SPECIAL REMINDER: Adrienne on "Angel" this week! (fwd) [Sarah Anne ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:38:26 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Dangerous Prey On Tuesday 18 March 2003 12:53, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > > I didn't remember ROC saying this but it certainly makes sense. If Xena > didn't change clothes we would have Varia in Xena's costume the whole > episode and that certainly doesn't seem right. I still think Lucy looked > fine in Varia's clothes though. > > CherylA > > > Heh. You're not the only one. Creation sure used that outfit on enough > stuff, considering you'd have missed it if you blinked during that ep. > > -- Ife That's what Rewing buttons are for, isn't it? Anyway Creation showed excellent taste in that respect, IMO. I could have accepted Varia in Xena's clobber (which I never cared for much anyway) for a whole ep, if it meant I got to see more of Xena in Amazon gear. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:35:32 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> On Tuesday 18 March 2003 13:02, Cheryl Ande wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cr" > > > My impression is that Marga was escaping from captivity, or at least from > > a fight. She certainly looked rather beaten-up. > > Yeah I thought she got hurt running from Morlock. That's why I didn't > understand why she just didn't take to the tress. Amazon's are suppose to > be skillful tree fighters. I imagine taking to the trees requires a lot of energy and co-ordination and is probably hard to do if one is knackered - oops, I mean (slightly more politely) hors de combat. > > But a more telling indication of the loss of Amazon competence is surely > > that > > Prince Morlock, with his relatively few men, could prey on them. He > > only had a little hunting party, far fewer men than Bellerophon later. > > Surely, > > the Amazons should have been able to locate his camp and an attack en > > masse would have wiped Morlock out. > > Amazon security stinks. It is a sad day when a whole tribe hides in their > village while the queen has to handle a serious threat herself and send for > Xena and Gabrielle to help them. Yes. I suppose that doesn't say much for Marga's leadership (or Varia's lieutenancy, for that matter) > > Amusing little contretemps, that. They were bumbling round > > ineffectually > > just like in real life. It looked like they were in danger of causing > > him > > some damage in the process. How did Xena put him there? Never mind, > > she has many skills. > > She threw him there. Remember Raczar said she had the strength of many > men. Oops, I'd forgotten that. > > I would have thought French a most appropriate language to discuss > > subtext moments, or even Xena's accoutrements, n'est-ce-pas? > > Yes indeed. However I never took French in school - I was oddly band from > French class because I was bad in algebra for some odd reason they were > link in junior high. What a bizarre combination. No logic to that at all. > When I finally redeemed myself I only could take > Latin and German. Well any way no loss - we all hate the French this week > anyway. I am enjoying you French lessons (don't tell Bush). You noticed. ;) Actually, I would much rather have taken German, but when I went to school, French was the foreign language everyone took. Any others were extra. So, I had to take French in school, even though I didn't want to. And my dislike of French was made permanent (or so I thought) by their nuclear testing at Mururoa. And ever since then I have felt morally obligated to detest everything French (excluding their trains, they have some fine machinery) .... until this week. I think they have just atoned for Mururoa. So at last I can use my schoolboy French. (No kidding, I'm really not making this up :) For which I have to say, Merci beaucoup, George Bush. > > I was most disappointed in that. I thought Varia's cossie was > > positively the dernier cri in Warrior Princess gear. Xena looked good > > enough to eat in it. > > Why cr - I blush - you want to eat a warrior princess. Umm, that was a little ambiguous, wasn't it? 'God enough to eat' is an o-l-d phrase, from the days long before it acquired any other possible shade of meaning. ;) > But yes she was > scrumptious. Xena could have taken that cossie home for future use. Wish she did, I like it better than the Metro fringe bikini. > > It was, IIRC, Prince Chesney Vladivar Morloch. But I can't be sure. > > Maybe > > > someone has a copy of the script? Whatever, I got the impression the > > writers were putting in names that had some meaning in classical legend, > > not that I'm an expert. They just sounded vaguely familiar. > > Yeah he was definitely Balkan in origin so maybe Vladivar was a reference > to Vlad the Impaler. I could have used a captioning here. Was Vlad the Impaler actually 'Vladivar'? I just don't know. But if so, then yes, I agree it's a likely reference. > > Why do they always do that? Why does nobody ever just do what they're > > told? This sort of thing seems to be almost de rigeur in Xena > > episodes. I suppose, as you said, Xena has to have some handicap to stop > > her from flattening Prince Morlock too quickly. > > Well if everyone did as they were told all episodes would be five minutes > long. Although I think Varia pushed the limits even Gabrielle at her most > obstinate listen when mortal danger loomed before her. Agreed. > > Not the sort of man one would want to have for a boss. Why did his men > > stay with him? The pay? > > Maybe or perhaps they were family retainers. They certainly were > frightened of him. So he went galumphing about, en famille, killing people? I think there are limits to what even the most faithful retainer should be expected to put up with. > > I almost got the impression Morlock got a kick out of seeing his men get > > toasted. I've just figured it out - he doubtless saved a heap on > > severance pay. > > Can we say sadist. Morlock is also stupid since doesn't realize the kind > of danger Xena posses to him and that he might need his men to help him. > Of course he is arrogant too. Such a nice combination - arrogance and > stupidity. Yes. Howcome he caused Xena so much trouble? Oh I forgot - Varia. > > I absolutely have to agree with Varia here. Xena's advice is a little > > optimistic, to say the least. By my hazy calculation, to get a range > > of, say, 200 yards (and I imagine that would be the minimum that would be > > of any > > use), she would have to be launched at a 45-degree angle at just under > > 100mph. Which means she would be landing at just under 100 mph. (This > > ignores air resistance). Always assuming she didn't hit a tree.... > > come to think of it, maybe a tree might be the softest thing she could > > hope to hit. > > Perhaps this was a clever plan by Xena to save the Amazon nation form Queen > Varia. She would have killed Varia why claiming she was actually trying to > save her. Afterall Xena could claim she would have been able to pull such > a stunt off why should Varia be able to it too. Morlock however ruined > Xena's clever plan and now she has to rescue Varia again. It's a nice idea, but I'm not sure Xena was quite that ruthless. > > Considering all this trouble happens in one ep, I have to agree. A real > > enfant terrible, Varia. Still, having been dangled from trees, dropped > > down holes, shot with arrows, launched (and netted), and tied to a stake > > on top of a tower, we can't say she didn't get what was coming to her. > > Yeah you never do feel sorry for her, do you? You just think she deserved > her bumps and bruises. Umm, is that a statement of my opinion or of a typical viewer's opinion? > > I thought that was a suitably unimpressive and offhand end for a > > pretentious > > thug like Morlock. Spiked on a bit of wood behind Xena's back. Ah > > well, c'est la vie. Or maybe not, in this instance. > > A nice ignoble end. Xena doesn't even kill him actually - she lets an > inaimate object do it for her. The girls got flair. > > I found Varia attractive, but I didn't really like her. Not because she > > caused Xena trouble, other characters have caused Xena trouble before > > now - > > Amarice for instance - and I've liked them fine. Maybe I just didn't > > think > > she had the 'right stuff' to be an Amazon queen. Ephiny did, Marga did. > > I think Varia would have been OK as a femme fatale (not necessarily > > Amazon) > > but she didn't have the sang-froid to make a leading Amazon warrior. > > I agree she isn't queen material. She would make a fine captain but she > doesn't seem to have the judgment to be queen nor does she seem likely to > develop that trait. I don't know if she would make a good femme fatale - > they have to have a more subtle quality - there is nothing subtle about > Varia. Maybe I just got too carried away trying to work French phrases into it ;) I don't think she seemed steady enough even to be a good captain. (Feel free to quote me when I start defending her attempt on Gabby's life in a couple of weeks' time ;) > > Maybe the long shots just weren't there, dangling off a tower is a pretty > > high-risk occupation and may have been too difficult to set up safely. > > Didn't think of that. Also it would be hard to disguise the stuntees with > extended distance shots. > > CherylA > I hope you don't get bs this time. I hade to this as a word document. I'm > having e-mail troubles. No, no b's and no BS either, I'm happy to say :) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:04:25 -0500 (EST) From: cande@sunlink.net Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: Metro Article Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:57:29 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" "- --Very possibly (and this is a different situation), but she had no qualms about issuing "cease and desist" orders to the Joxer-haters. I frankly was surprised at that at the time, but it did silence one part of the fan contingent. TR's her friend, so she was defending her friend in that instance. RT's her hubby, so what's so different about defending your hubby from defending your friend?" Well there is a difference. Ted was an employee and she had a responsibility to defend some one who is hated simply because he played a character people didn't like. It is another kettle of fish to be seen issuing orders about a husband and producer. Although Lucy may have been upset about the criticism, Rob may not have been as bothered. Certainly Ted's job may have been put in jeopardy by the harsh criticism while Rob, beyond hurt feelings, couldn't actually be harmed by what was being said. "Basically, I'm just saying it would've been nice to hear her *real* take on FIN, including her take on the fans' reaction to FIN, and not just some"processed" press release. Whether it would've garnered more attention for the negative fans, it's hard to tell. They got a lot of press to begin with, just because of the negativity. Maybe LL's telling them to "knock it off" just like she told the Joxer-haters to do, would've done the trick. Hard to tell. ;=/" Well the negativity didn't really start until after FIN was aired as far as I can tell. While she was doing publicity for FIN she couldn't reveal much about the episode and unless she had crystal ball she wouldn't have known a some fans were about to go balistic and call her and Rob every name in the book. Also the criticism of Rob was closely tied to criticism of herself so her orders to "knock it off' would have seemed self-serving if not down right petulant. She has numerous times said she was sorry people were hurt by the episode and frankly I don't know what more she can do. "As for staying positive, I guess that's where LL and Xena diverge. ;)LL tends to stay away from negativity, but Xena doesn't. That's why I find Xena more interesting. ;)" Yeah they are different. LL is real. Xena is made up. Fictional characters are by their very nature more interesting than real people - that's the point. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:44:41 -0500 (EST) From: Sarah Anne Packard Subject: [chakram-refugees] [AdrienneWilkinsonFanClubNews] SPECIAL REMINDER: Adrienne on "Angel" this week! (fwd) To: AdrienneWilkinsonFanClubNews@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AdrienneWilkinsonFanClubNews] SPECIAL REMINDER: Adrienne on "Angel" this week! - ------------------------ Yahoo! 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