From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #65 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Thursday, March 6 2003 Volume 03 : Number 065 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #63 [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [cr > ["Ann Reddecliffe"] RE: [chakram-refugees] <> ["Ann Reddecliffe"] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 00:37:37 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> In a message dated 3/4/2003 9:59:20 PM Central Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > BEOWULF: > Xena, your life is in danger. When Odin learns you are alive, he will kill > you and Gabrielle will never be saved. > > Interesting, and in total contrast to Brunnhilde's assertion to Xena in the > > previous ep that nobody would hurt her. Obviously Brunnhilde and Beowulf > have very different views on this one. > Or, as Cande suggests, it was to try prod the ol' Xena into action. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 00:37:41 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #63 In a message dated 3/4/2003 7:12:11 PM Central Standard Time, cande@sunlink.net writes: > >Yes, another ironic scene. I might've laughed more, if hadn't also been > so > >poignant. > > I think howver this Xena doesn't say anthing that the "real" Xena wouldna't > have said. I think the real Xena would have felt that Wiglef was foolsih > to believe that needless fighting gave life meaning. Said said in The Ring > that she now appreciated peace and love more than fighting.>> Oh, agreed. I meant that there she was, the one with the bloodiest hands, so earnestly beseeching everyone to shun violence. Lucy played it so sincerely that I almost forgot for a moment that she was supposed to be the same woman who yelled, "Kill 'em all!" > > > > > >I wondered if somehow Xena wasn't having flashes of memory, rather than it > >being Gabrielle's spirit. But I suppose "spirit" could be interpreted in > >many ways -- all of them fitting. > > I think it was part memory and part spirit. Gabrielle may well ahve been > ina dreamscape and trying to reach Xena.>> Oh, yeah, forgot about those dreamscapes. > >> > > >Hmmm, not sure if I agree with that. The way she was brushing her hair > when > >she awaited her new husband, her attempts to fend him off, her impulse to > >help Beowulf in the castle, the sneer that finally came out when she > defeated > >Waltraub all suggested to me someone who was repressing fighting back > >physically, not someone who didn't have it in her. True, maybe initiating > it > >- -- especially for no good reason or when there might be other options, > wasn't > >"natural" to Xena's core. But her "essence" was defending and protecting, > >which Gabrielle's spirit reinforced. I think that was also an essential > part > >of who she was that she lost, along with understanding the "meaning" of > >violence in a warrior for the greater good. > > > I am never sure what part violence palys in Xena's core personality. When > she loses her memory the first thing that goes is the violence - her > bravery > and her goodness stay. I still think the violence is the result of her > experiences. I agree however that when Xena is brushing her hair she seems > to be on the verge of somekind of breakdown and Hrothgar may have been > mighty lucky to have missed his wedding night.>> Bwahahaha! I keep picturing her in that hot tub in Paradise Found, where she's having delusions of hurting Gabrielle. "You want me to rub your back, dearest husband? You ... want ... me ... to ... rub ... your back?" (Rubs until he has no skin left.) "Was that okay, dear? Dear?" I'm not saying that violence was part of her nature, so much as the impulse to fight back, which she seemed more inclined to do physically than verbally. > Perhaps the essence that was missing besides her love for Gabrielle was > Xena's clarity of purpose. Xena always knows what she wants and seldom is > at anyone's beck and call. While under the curse Xena is obviously > convinced to marry someone she doesn't love and seems very willing to be > lead around by Beowulf. a stranger to her. Xena is strangely malleable and > directionless. She is doing everyone's bidding perhaps that is what is > meant when it is said she has lost her sense of self.>> Ah. Excellent point. I like that -- "clarity of purpose," which relates both to Gabrielle and her way as a warrior. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:34:17 +0000 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> On Wednesday 05 March 2003 05:37, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/4/2003 9:59:20 PM Central Standard Time, > cr@orcon.net.nz > > writes: > > BEOWULF: > > Xena, your life is in danger. When Odin learns you are alive, he will > > kill you and Gabrielle will never be saved. > > > > Interesting, and in total contrast to Brunnhilde's assertion to Xena in > > the > > > > previous ep that nobody would hurt her. Obviously Brunnhilde and > > Beowulf have very different views on this one. > > Or, as Cande suggests, it was to try prod the ol' Xena into action. > > -- Ife Yeah, OK, I'll entertain that conjecture. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:29:48 -0000 From: "Ann Reddecliffe" Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] <> > And another amazing costume for Xena to wear. LL looked stunning striding > through the waves in that white dress. The white dress was amazing. She rolled around in the sand, fought valkaries in it and the dress never had a spot of dirt on it. It reinded me of the old Alex Guiness movie The Man In The White Suit - a man invents a fabric that never gets dirty or wears out and every clothing manufacturer wants to destroy it.>>> Not entirely true. The hem of the dress did get dirty when she went into the water. Before they filmed the fight scene, the double had to go into the water to get the dress equally dirty. Ann ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:29:51 -0000 From: "Ann Reddecliffe" Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] <> >>BEOWULF: Xena, your life is in danger. When Odin learns you are alive, he will kill you and Gabrielle will never be saved. Interesting, and in total contrast to Brunnhilde's assertion to Xena in the previous ep that nobody would hurt her. Obviously Brunnhilde and Beowulf have very different views on this one.>> Not exactly. Brunhilde could be right, no one would hurt Gabrielle, she just wouldn't be saved. She could go on sleeping forever. Or at least until one of Xena's future incarnations revived her. Arministra? Mel Pappas? Harry? Annie? Ann ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V3 #65 *************************************