From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #59 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Friday, February 28 2003 Volume 03 : Number 059 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] [Flawless] Metro Interview [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] << The Ring>> [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] the Ring [cr ] [chakram-refugees] Re: The Ring ["Cheryl Ande" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Dickson-- BAFTA [NZJester ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:25:44 +0000 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] [Flawless] Metro Interview On Tuesday 25 February 2003 18:49, KTL wrote: > Fascinating interview. Very in-depth and wide-ranging. I like how it takes > a look at the whole woman, not just the celebrity. Lucy is far too often > totally defined by having played a fictional television character for a > short part of her life. I think that may be part of the reason behind Lucy's comments that Xena was 'just a job'. Not that she'd say anything she didn't mean, but I imagine she's not averse to making the point that she isn't only Xena. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:09:51 +0000 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] << The Ring>> First, Cheryl, there seems to be something odd about the text of your post - all the punctuation seems to have been replaced by 'b' - see this excerpt for examples: > Xena is not impressed with > Brunhildabs admiration of the old Xena b she likes the new Xena better the > one who appreciates peace and love more than glory. I also like the line > that Xena has when Brunhilda starts gushing bbIf I knew a fan was coming I > would have ! combed my hairb.) Is everyone else on the list seeing this or is it my mailer? Anyway, on to the episode..... random snippage of course. On Tuesday 25 February 2003 15:42, cande@sunlink.net wrote: > The Ring > > Gabrielle however is more concern about caring for her wounded partner. > Xena of course admonished Gabrielle bnot to fussb but the bard takes no > heed and fusses to her heartbs content. Beowulf and Brunhilda finally > catch up to the pair. In one of my favorite moment both breathlessly ask > Gabrielle if she is all right ignoring the bloodied Xena Gabby is tending > to. I love Xenabs expression at this b I think shebs a little put out that > Gabby has picked up two new suitors. I think she was just put out that they didn't at least enquire after her health. After all, she had just, against all odds, survived an encounter with the deadly Grendel. She could have expected at least some show of curiosity, even if not concern. > Xena now bandaged up by Gabrielle is ready to go fight Grindle. Knowing > that Gabrielle will never leave her, she tries to send Beowulf and > Brunhilda away. Both state they will not leave Gabrielle. I like the > different readings the actors give to these declarations. Beowulf wonbt > met Gabbybs eyes and is a bit shy about his feelings. Brunhilda is > defiant in her declaration, making eye contact with Gabby. Gabrielle > neither seems particularly surprised by her companions devotions nor does > she seemed unduly impressed _ shebs probably thinking goody more people to > help Xena. Xena seems just a bit flummoxed by Gabriellebs new admirers but > Grindlebs a big monster with a magic ring so all help is welcomed. I loved Xena's expression throughout this bit. Masterfully done. > With Brunhilda gone, Xena > tells Gabrielle she doesnbt trust her friend. Gabrielle is surprised. > Brunhilda is just searching for the right path. Xena says nope b shebs > just not who she says she is. Is Xena jealous or has her spiddy senses > just kicked in? And sure enough, Brunnhilde wasn't being entirely open with X & G.... the very next scene was remarkably prompt confirmation of Xena's suspicions. > In the forest, Odin who was summoned by his raven confronts Brunhilda. > Odin is not happy. Brunhilda, a valkarie, was suppose to get the ring from > Xena. Instead she has fallen love with Gabrielle and apparently is afraid > to loose her favor by betraying Xena. Brunhilda tries to defend herself > but knows she has been outed by bthe stool pidginb ravens. Odin will now > take things into his own hands. He orders his valkarie to kidnap Gabrielle > and trade her for the ring. I loved Brunnhilde's muttered "Mangy stool pigeons!". > > Back to our story. The valkaries under Odinbs orders confront Xena and > her companions. They try to take Gabrielle by force but suddenly Brunhilda > flies in on her horse and scoops Gabrielle up flies off with her. Xena and > the valkaries are astonished Caught the audience by surprise too, I think. Very nicely done. > > Brunhilda has a very angry bard on her hands. Gabrielle is angry that they > have left Xena to fight off the valkaries. Brunhilda demands to know if > Xena is all that Gabrielle thinks of. I love Gabriellebs expression she is > asked this b itbs incredulous. Xena is her soul mate , her best friend, > her family, her destiny b duh - yes she is the only thing that matters to > her. Brunhilda is one frustrated girl b she will show Gabrielle who > deserves her love. She is going to challenge Xena to a duel. Gabrielle is > appalled Brunhilda is going to shed blood (and get herself killed) to prove > her love. That seemed a bit false, and naive of Brunnhilde. > Xena and Beowulf are slogging through a bog in search of Gabrielle. > Suddenly Odin and the valkarie appear and challenge Xena and Beowulf. They > fight. Xena tosses her chakram at Odin and a terrified Odin starts dodging > the only thing that can kill him. That was very impressive and convincing - and funny, actually. Odin ducking madly to avoid a low flying chakram. Well acted. > > The chasten Brunhilda now comes across Xena who has escaped Odin. She > tries to explain to the warrior that Odin will continue to come after > Gabrielle as long as Xena has the ring. Then suddenly Brunhilda sees the > ring on Xenabs finger. In a panic she tells to take the ring off or it > will destroy her essence. It is too late. Xena has lost herself. She > doesnbt remember who she is or who Gabrielle is. A sadden Brunhilda > persuades Xena to give up the ring. I felt it was really remiss of Brunnhilde not to take care of Xena at that point. I like Brunnhilde, but I don't think it was to her credit to leave Xena alone in the swamp, at all. > Xena is now left alone. She has dropped her sword and now she unhooks her > chakram.. She looks at with the eyes of a child. She is delighted with the > shiny toy until it cuts her. She fearfully drops the deadly weapon and > wanders off. That seems to reinforce the idea that the chacky had some sort of mental link with Xena.... she could catch it unscathed by the sharp edge. When Xena lost her marbles, it promptly forgot not to cut her, so to speak. > Beowulf has now recovered enough to go looking for Xena. He stumbles upon > her chakram and sword. He recovers them but things look very bad for his > friend. > > Indeed thinks are very bad for Xena. In another part of the forest a > distraught and confused Xena is lost. She wails out to the heavens, asking > the world bwho am I?b. This was quite unsettling... after the tight concerted action earlier in the episode, with the four of them setting out to battle the monster, now everybody's lost touch with each other (and even with the enemy). > Good episode. Terrific action piece with a good dramatic foundation. The > subplot of Beowulf and Brunhilda being enamored with Gabrielle is handled > will b it is slightly comic but not silly and then takes a dramatic and > poignant turn when Brunhilda sacrifices herself for Gabrielle. I did find it a bit hard to credit. I know I'm not a Gabfan but even if I was, I'd still find it surprising that they could fall in love with her in, apparently, a few minutes. But OK, people's reactions are sometimes unexpected, so I won't call it a YAXI. > One guest ion remains. Who is Grindlebs daddy? If Grindhilda is mommy > then is Odin daddy? They were lovers so that is the logical conclusion. > Odin however seems oblivious to this, which confirms my belief that Odin > isnbt the brightest god up north. Or maybe he just doesn't care. "Oh by the way Odin, you have a kid you never knew about. He just happens to look like a nightmare stick insect and eats people for lunch". A little bit hard to raise much fatherly emotion about, I would have thought. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:19:17 +0000 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] the Ring On Wednesday 26 February 2003 21:27, Ann Reddecliffe wrote: > I had a few problems with this ep. > > The character of Grindle. This seemed to be the monster costume left over > from A Family Affair, with something looking like a beard added. It moved > like spiny, it had spines like spiny, it growled like spiny... In the cave > scene, where Gabrielle jumped on its back, why didn't she impale herself on > the spines? Well, Dinsdale from AFA, did look rather laughably like a guy in a rubber suit. Grendel, otoh, was obviously composed of sticks and twigs (not spines). I guess it's subjective but Grendel looked quite convincing to me. Partly a better costume, partly the way he was filmed. > I also can't see why Brunhilda left Xena after taking the ring from her. > She knew how important Xena was to Gabrielle. If she wanted to proove her > love for Gabrielle, then it would have been a better plan to save Xena and > bring her back to Gabrielle. If she was acting through jealousy, I could > understand it, but she seems to be motivated by high ideals here. Yes, that puzzled me too. There is an implication that the danger from Odin had passed - Brunnhilde: "Xena, give me the ring and everybody will leave you alone. Thank you." But Xena would still be at the mercy of Grinhilde, and any wild animals etc etc. Or even of getting totally lost and dying in the swamp. Maybe she just thought it was all over for Xena. Or maybe Brunnhilde thought she had all she could do to protect Gabrielle. But Brunnhilde never seemed to me to be either defeatist or un-resourceful. So I can't figure out why she left Xena. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:57:45 -0500 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: The Ring > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:27:42 -0000 > From: "Ann Reddecliffe" > Subject: [chakram-refugees] the Ring > > I had a few problems with this ep. > > The character of Grindle. This seemed to be the monster costume left over > from A Family Affair, with something looking like a beard added. It moved > like spiny, it had spines like spiny, it growled like spiny... In the cave > scene, where Gabrielle jumped on its back, why didn't she impale herself on > the spines? I thought Grindle looked like a giant walking tree. So I wondered why Xena after seeing Grindle didn't have a missing finger just didn't think it grew back. As why no was impaled on the monster's spines - perhaps they weren't on his back both Gabby and Beowulf had no trouble attacking it from the rear. > > The end gave me a lot of problems. I know the ring of fire guarding the > sleeping character are part of Wagner and so should be part of the plot. > However, when Brunhilde returns to Gabrielle from seeing Xena having lost > her memory, I keep expecting the first words out of Gabrielle's mouth to be > "I must go to Xena". She followed Xena for weeks, heading North, after Xena > told her not to, now she seems to be abandoning Xena just when she is > helpless - doesn't seem like the bard to me. > I agree it would seem more in character if Gabrielle rushed off to help Xena. Perhaps she was just so stunned with getting the ring, finding out that Xena wouldn't know her, and Brunhilda's sacrifice that she just didn't have time to gather her wits about her. > I also can't see why Brunhilda left Xena after taking the ring from her. > She knew how important Xena was to Gabrielle. If she wanted to proove her > love for Gabrielle, then it would have been a better plan to save Xena and > bring her back to Gabrielle. If she was acting through jealousy, I could > understand it, but she seems to be motivated by high ideals here. > I agree that seemed a bit out of character for Brunhilda. She didn't seem to the type of person to abandon a helpless Xena. Perhaps again she was just more concerned about Gabrielle and getting the ring hidden that she didn't think. Also she didn't know Beowulf was wounded so perhaps she assumed he would take care of Xena. > Why did Gabrielle's costume change in the ring of fire? Beacuse she was Sleeping Beauty and SB needs a nift princess dress and warrior clothes or she wouldscare the various handsome princes away. Or Brunhilda actually wanted to go to Paris study dress design before she was recruited into Odin's army CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:05:17 +1300 From: NZJester Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Dickson-- BAFTA At 10:45 a.m. 26/02/2003 -0500, Boeotian wrote: >Internet Movie Database reports that Ngila Dickson and Richard Taylor won the >BAFTA (British Film Awards) for best costumes for LOTR:Two Towers. They had a Interview With Ngila on NZ TV talking about her award - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Catch ya later NZJester - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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