From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #55 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Tuesday, February 25 2003 Volume 03 : Number 055 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy interview [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy interview [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy interview [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy interview [cr ] [chakram-refugees] Lucy in Metro magazine [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy in Metro magazine [NZJester ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy in Metro magazine [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy in Metro magazine ["MaryD" ] [chakram-refugees] Re: Lucy Interview [cande@sunlink.net] Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy interview [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy interview [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy interview [mirrordrum ] [chakram-refugees] re: Lucy interview ["Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy interview On Monday 24 February 2003 05:10, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/23/2003 8:58:31 PM Central Standard Time, > meth@smoe.org > > writes: > > It's maddening that the venom of a few fans has > > poisoned Lucy's opinion of the entire Xenite community. > > Hmmm, I think I interpreted that differently. In sum, she said, "I guess I > felt like there were a few people out there that I was working for that > were so malevolent and so malicious they clouded everything else." She > seemed to be saying such fans poisoned things for *her* -- her feelings > about the show, her sense of satisfaction, her anger that Tapert was > villified -- not her opinion of all fans. She seemed quite aware that the > venomous folks in no way represented the majority of loyal fans, but that > unfortunately they left a disproportionately bitter taste in her mouth. I'd agree with your interpretation there. > That happens. Maybe Pasadena helped remind her of the sweeter moments? At > any rate, Lucy's said a lot of things, mostly positive, about Xena fans, so > I'm not sure the negative comments should be taken as her only or final > opinion. > > -- Ife Agreed. Lucy says many things, all of which are one facet or another of her character. They all have to be taken together to build up a picture. It's absurd to go looking for contradictions in things she says and criticise her for the perceived inconsistencies. She responds to the questions that are asked and the direction of the topic at the time. And I'm sure she'd think it's very silly of us all to be analysing what she says so intently. ;) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:08:12 +0000 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy interview On Monday 24 February 2003 02:52, meredith wrote: > Honestly, after reading this interview I'm surprised that Lucy ever agreed > to participate in the Pasadena con. Does she really need the money that > badly? Obviously, not. But I think she does it out of a sense of duty. I don't mean to suggest she doesn't enjoy the con while she's there - she is a performer, after all, and being on stage is a performance. But, I think she probably feels she owes it to the fans to turn up. That she would be causing disapointment to a lot of people if she *didn't* turn up. > >Also she had some interesting things to say about how much Renaissance > >Pictures meant to the film community in New Zealand. Obviously she is > > very proud of her husbands treatment of his employees but feels he hasn't > > gotten the respect he deserved. > > She did seem to be taking a shot at New Line, didn't she? Apparently the > LOTR set wasn't as cushy a job as the PacRen sets were. Still, the > behind-the-scenes stuff I've seen about LOTR seems to indicate that it was > a good group of people through and through, and there haven't been any > on-set problems publicized so far. Well, it was a mild shot, I think. And, I don't think the on-set atmosphere is directly related to money. It's probably more about how well organised the shoot is, and how fairly people are treated. RenPics seems to have been a well-organised place so far as I can tell, and so apparently was LOTR (though I know even less about that). > And I do firmly believe that Peter > Jackson never would have been able to get LOTR made in NZ as he did without > the experience the PacRen employees had gained from working on Herc, Xena > and the other shows and movies. I agree that more people should be made > aware of that. For a while there, RenPics *was* the New Zealand film industry. All of it. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:32:46 +0000 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy interview On Sunday 23 February 2003 22:01, Cheryl Ande wrote: > I honestly believe that the people who do this can't concieve of > the people they bash as real with feelings - they have so dehumanized them > that they feel free to say anything their nasty little minds can think of. > Too bad for them but also too bad for the rest of us who get tainted by the > few. I'm still sore that Steve Sears, who used to share discussions with fans on the Netforum (I believe it was?), was driven off it by the constant haranguing from a few fans with axes to grind. This was before I discovered the online Xena fandom, so I never had the chance to experience the informality of casual discussions with any of TPTB. Again, as always, a few spoiling it for the rest of us. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:26:27 +0000 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy interview On Monday 24 February 2003 05:18, Cheryl LaScola wrote: > I just finished part 2 of the Lucy interview and must say I felt really > sad that something so good has left so much scarring on Lucy and Rob by > so few. > > I know I am repeating what both Meredith and Cheryl A have said, but I > think it critical that someone share the real admiration most fans have > for Lucy, Rob, Renee and all who made Xena the icon it became with the > actors / creators themselves. (snip in accordance with list rules) > OK, sorry this was long, I don't usually run off at the mouth, but I am > hoping somewhere Lucy hears the good side of > what Xena accomplished and how well respected she and the entire cast > and crew were. > > CJ Beautifully put, Cheryl. I think that goes for almost all of us. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:37:25 +0000 From: cr Subject: [chakram-refugees] Lucy in Metro magazine Whooo! Well, as you all know by now, Lucy is in this month's Metro magazine. (I had to rush out and buy one :) Not only in it, but all over it. The cover is bright pink with Lucy in the go-go fringe bikini that she souvenired from Lyre Lyre. And it's a *big* magazine. And, let me say, Lucy is certainly eye-catching. To put it in perspective, this ain't just any magazine, it's New Zealand's No 1 glossy monthly. Probably the most up-market magazine in New Zealand. The sort of magazine that has four-page fold-out ads for BMW's inside the front cover. In case anyone's forgotten the URL, here it is (thanks to MaryD): http://ausxip.com/lawless/articles/metro03/index.htm I did spot one little error in the article - "She played Lysia [from Hercules & the Amazon Women] once more in the company's TV show Hercules: The Legendary Journeys before being asked to be Xena in three episodes". No, actually it was Lyla she played in HTLJ (As Darkness Falls). The similarity of the name presumably deceived the reporter. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:01:55 +1300 From: NZJester Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy in Metro magazine At 10:37 a.m. 24/02/2003 +0000, CR wrote: >Whooo! > >Well, as you all know by now, Lucy is in this month's Metro magazine. (I >had to rush out and buy one :) > >Not only in it, but all over it. The cover is bright pink with Lucy in the >go-go fringe bikini that she souvenired from Lyre Lyre. And it's a *big* >magazine. And, let me say, Lucy is certainly eye-catching. > >To put it in perspective, this ain't just any magazine, it's New Zealand's >No 1 glossy monthly. Probably the most up-market magazine in New Zealand. >The sort of magazine that has four-page fold-out ads for BMW's inside the >front cover. This will be the Second Metro Cover for Lucy then I still have my other copy of her on Metro will have to go get a copy of this one as well I'm sure at sometime she will get a third! - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Catch ya later NZJester - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:02:28 +1300 From: NZJester Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy interview At 09:08 a.m. 24/02/2003 +0000, CR wrote: >On Monday 24 February 2003 02:52, meredith wrote: > > > And I do firmly believe that Peter > > Jackson never would have been able to get LOTR made in NZ as he did without > > the experience the PacRen employees had gained from working on Herc, Xena > > and the other shows and movies. I agree that more people should be made > > aware of that. > >For a while there, RenPics *was* the New Zealand film industry. All of it. I think the good people at Peter Jackson's company WETA got a bit of there expertise at making creatures by doing some work for both Xena & Herc shows as well as some well earned money to keep the company going If you look at some of the credits you will see WETA mentioned for Xena & Herc I Remember watching a behind the scenes look at the making of the film "The Frighteners" staring Michael J Fox They showed inside the WETA workshop looking at the creatures used in that Peter Jackson film hanging on the wall in the background of one of the shots was the costume of the Evil Centaur Dagnine - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Catch ya later NZJester - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:02:18 +0000 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy in Metro magazine On Monday 24 February 2003 10:01, NZJester wrote: > > This will be the Second Metro Cover for Lucy then > I still have my other copy of her on Metro > will have to go get a copy of this one as well When was her first Metro cover? Quite some time ago, then? (I don't recall it and I've been a Xenafan for at least 5 years) > I'm sure at sometime she will get a third! Hope so!! cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:33:00 +1100 From: "MaryD" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy in Metro magazine > > This will be the Second Metro Cover for Lucy then > > I still have my other copy of her on Metro > > will have to go get a copy of this one as well > > When was her first Metro cover? Quite some time ago, then? > (I don't recall it and I've been a Xenafan for at least 5 years) The Ballad of Lucy Lawless - Metro 1997 I've got the transcript of the first Metro article on the site. It was in 1997 http://ausxip.com/metro97.txt Mary ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:04:54 -0500 (EST) From: cande@sunlink.net Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: Lucy Interview ========================================================= - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 21:52:01 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy interview "I agree with you 100%. It's maddening that the venom of a few fans has poisoned Lucy's opinion of the entire Xenite community. I've gotten myself in trouble elsewhere for stating this opinion, but it still saddens me that some people are unable to separate fiction from reality. I can understand not liking FIN, but there is no reason to make personal attacks against TPTB, and Rob Tapert in particular for it. Honestly, after reading this interview I'm surprised that Lucy ever agreed to participate in the Pasadena con. Does she really need the money that badly?" I doubt she "needs the money that badly." I think she did it for the fans and that she doesn't have a bad opinion of all fans. She mentioned the few who attacked her husband unfairly. She of course in hindsight should have said nothing at all about the fans. She should have smiled sweetly said everything was wonderful and gone on. It is obvious that she is now going to be attacked as hating the fans when she was speaking only about the few who hurt her. Lucy has the fault of honesty and hasn't learned to be wary of the press who seize the negative and run with it. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:52:32 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy interview In a message dated 2/24/03 4:06:04 AM Central Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: << She responds to the questions that are asked and the direction of the topic at the time. And I'm sure she'd think it's very silly of us all to be analysing what she says so intently. ;) >> Excellent point. I doubt she'll ever understand hanging on her every word. What was most interesting to me was her statement that she felt like a (I don't have the thing in front of me) "meat" puppet(?) -- a body that was doing what it was supposed to do, in conjunction with a lot of other folks. Again, I didn't feel she discounted portraying Xena, but I noticed that she talked more about her other roles -- e.g., as the "star" setting the right tone on set, as a contributor to her community, or as an independent woman whose behavior didn't belittle her character's strong image. She'd probably freak if she took seriously how we put every little detail under a microscope. Brrrrr. That would sure freak me out, anyway. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:52:35 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy interview In a message dated 2/24/03 2:49:31 AM Central Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: << > OK, sorry this was long, I don't usually run off at the mouth, but I am > hoping somewhere Lucy hears the good side of > what Xena accomplished and how well respected she and the entire cast > and crew were. > > CJ Beautifully put, Cheryl. I think that goes for almost all of us. >> Again, I think Lucy does know this and has said it over and over. I think she was speaking from her heart, in terms of how painful it was to her that she didn't feel her husband in particular received the credit he deserved both for the show and creating jobs and a future for so many people, and that he was attacked by people who wouldn't have grown to love the show, if not for him. I know I can forgive and understand people who criticize me personally, but it's hard for me to forgive people who attack someone close to me, whom I believe doesn't deserve that as a person or for what they did. And no matter how many people say something nice, it still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. It's sometimes hard not to focus on the negative, which the reporter possibly did. Look at how we are disproportionately bothered by the effects of bad fans, when we know that most of us behaved in an extraordinarily positive fashion. I hope Lucy's few honest comments about this don't "poison" or "color" too much her countless complimentary comments. It would be a shame if we ended up questioning her motives for coming to the con or caring about fans, simply because she spoke her mind as a human being who regretted one aspect of her experiences. I sure as heck don't intend to let that "poison" or "color" all of my Xena experiences, just as I doubt she'll let that happen to her. Lucy seems to be a gracious, intelligent, genuine person. I totally understand wanting to let her know in every way we can how much we appreciate her. But those of us who respect her could do her a disservice if we don't give her the space to express her regrets and anger, without making too much of it. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:43:39 -0500 From: mirrordrum Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy interview - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy interview > Lucy seems to be a gracious, intelligent, genuine person. I totally > understand wanting to let her know in every way we can how much we appreciate > her. But those of us who respect her could do her a disservice if we don't > give her the space to express her regrets and anger, without making too much > of it. > > -- Ife *thank* you, Ife. i, and perhaps another fan or two , vented amazing amounts of spleen about the way lucy and rt were treated i'm just an observer. i repeated myself a lot about it for quite some time. and apparently still am. imo, this is a time for people to listen respectfully and without judgment to this woman's felt experience about what happened to her "at work." i, for one, am glad she's saying something about how she feels. she got slammed and she's been bloody gracious and apologetic about it for the most part. and got slammed for that too, iirc. them's just me sentiments. md--still lurking round the corners ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:30:17 -0800 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: [chakram-refugees] re: Lucy interview >But those of us who respect her could do her a disservice if we don't >give >her the space to express her regrets and anger, without making >too much of >it. Hear, hear! I thought it was a wonderful article (well, Lucy wise, the writer I'm not so sure about). And all of Lucy's points were so valid. I some some NASTY stuff about Tapert after FIN, stuff that shocked me as a fan, so imagine (or, I guess now we know) where Lucy stands on that. And it's not like she was trashing fans. Fans are those of us who are dedicated to the series, but we know which lines NOT to cross. Going to her home, following her on vacation, attacking PEOPLE with harsh words rather then discussion - those are NOT fans. Fans have respect. And besides, if Lucy honestly didn't like the fans, or had nasty things to say, would she have been at the con? Of course not. By still coming to cons after two years, ALL the amazing people behind Xena are showing us their thanks for our support, which in turn just makes us love them all the more. My only comment about this article in a negative way would be that the writer said that we are only fans of Xena, and not Lucy. Bull! I love Xena, BECAUSE of Lucy, not the other way around! BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "Her anger was as natural as breathing and as comfortable." - TENEBREA RISING _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V3 #55 *************************************