From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #52 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Saturday, February 22 2003 Volume 03 : Number 052 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena movie poll [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Con 03 Post Cabaret and Jay ["H.J.J. Hewitt" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena movie poll On Friday 21 February 2003 04:29, KTL wrote: > > Question: Since Xena was capable of offing Mephistopheles, howcome > > Callisto, who was at least as capable as Xena so long as she stayed away > > from rocks, didn't beat the big lug to a pulp and take over the place? > > > > cr > > To quote Lawless from the season six bloopers when Ted is obliviously > pushing her off her mark, "Show's called Xena." > > Callisto was NOT at least as capable as Xena. No one was. Or ever will be > in MY little fan heart. > > KT Awww. Idn't dat sweet? Even if it is a sneaky attempt to distract attention from the original point, which was.... ummm.... oh yes. Callisto in Hell. A bit of a YAXI in my opinion. Callisto was a goddess, with full goddess-like powers. Howcome she just ended up as another serf in Hell? You'd think gods would rate higher than that. Though of course Caligula didn't, though he really wasn't much of a god IMO, I don't think the powers he stole had really had time to 'take'. But in fact he ended up as a serf in Hades, not Hell. Come to think of it, wasn't there a bit of a YAXI in You Are There - that Nigel ended up interviewing Lucifer in Hell, and Caligula and Charon at the River Styx (?) at the entrance to Hades, or Tartarus. (Nigel said 'Hades', btw). Of course Hades was dead by then, which makes one wonder who was in charge now. Nigel never asked and Charon never said. I suppose the continuing existence of the two establishments is not incompatible, though it obviously seems to be rather an arbitrary decision in which place the dead end up. Maybe the various establishments just take it in turns to accommodate the arriving dead. (Which makes one wonder just where all the dead gods left over from 'Motherhood' went to. Tartarus? Elysian Fields? Probably the latter, I expect they'd all have enough 'pull' to swing it. Unless of course the fact that they were offed by Xena with her Michael-bestowed powers meant they ended up in his department. Heaven or Hell? I somehow get the feeling Big Mike wouldn't really like having bossy Olympians around him, I think he'd make sure they ended up bugging Mephistopheles or Lucifer instead. Maybe by comparison Callisto didn't do all that badly for herself, after all.) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 02:39:01 -0600 From: "H.J.J. Hewitt" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Con 03 Post Cabaret and Jay >He said that he had always thought that Elvis was a Samoan like him. Ah-ha! So THAT explains the spelling of his name. I \should/ have thought of that, but he was so much darker than the people I saw in Western Samoa that I presumes he was African-American. Doesn't sound like them, either, in X:WP, but that could be due to the accent coach. Does anyone know if he is perhaps from American Samoa, or is of Samoan descent living most of his life here on the mainland? (Sharon, at least, ought to have some idea.) TEXena ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:02:01 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] "Heroic" Death (Was Re: Creation's poll) In a message dated 2/20/03 10:51:55 PM Central Standard Time, fsktl@aurora.uaf.edu writes: << As she > said in "Tsunami" when she went back to rescue that convict, she expected > "nothing less" from herself. ACK! ACK! You KNOW I hate that phrase.>> You do? Heh heh heh. Oops, I'm starting to sound like SOMEone else. Heh heh heh. <> But, my dear, she *did* say that. I heard her. Apparently you did too. I agree that she would not brag like that, so I say once again (unable to recall how many times I've done so, being of a certain age), she was not bragging. She was making a simple statement of fact. Because she expected so much from herself (angst notwithstanding), has nothing to do with thinking herself better than someone else or so wonderful. She did what she did because that's what she does, rather than because of any value (good or bad) she put on that criminal. I believe Xena habitually compared herself to herself -- with influence from folks like Herc, Gabby and Lao Ma. She compared that criminal to himself. I liked hearing Xena say something like that, showing some pride in the high standards she'd set for herself. See, I don't think I saw her as down on herself to the extent that you do -- at least, not the way I perceived Lucy playing her. Yes, there was self-doubt, self-disgust. But overall, I think she recognized her tremendous potential for doing good, being better *herself.* Mostly I saw it in her unwavering faith in her abilities, judgment and will -- demonstrated through her actions. I didn't mind hearing her voice that for once and never heard it as any more than that. Even if she'd finally died trying to save that > piece of crap, it would've been a good enough statement for me about what a > hero does. > > -- Ife She DID it, but she'd never say it. NO! NEVER! KT humph >> KT, dearest (I can't say "honey," 'cause cr might consider that "catty"), I suggest you replay the end of "Tsunami." I can't imagine any of the lookalikes emerging thusly from the water and speaking those lines with such conviction, so it must've been your beloved Xena. Unless, perhaps, you managed to cut that part out? As to your position that Xena could never be fooled, I believe I also didn't see her as infallible as you did. She made mistakes and certainly had blindspots when it came to Gabrielle. But mostly I don't think she worried as much about being wrong, as she did about taking action to set something right. She typically dove in to save others, then looked for opportunities to save herself. She didn't have much time in AFIN to go around researching the pros and cons of getting her body back. Her focus was on saving Higuchi and the souls. Sure, TPTB could've given her more time or some reason for dying that was more "logical" to some fans, but they didn't. I have to go with what I saw. After which I find a rationalization that fits my view of Xena. - -- Ife (who must stand with cr on accepting the "reality" of what we actually saw/heard, however we decide to interpret it) ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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