From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #49 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Wednesday, February 19 2003 Volume 03 : Number 049 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [IfeRae@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] "Heroic" Death (Was Re: Creation's poll) [IfeRae@aol.c] Re: [chakram-refugees] When to place the Xena Movie [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] When to place the Xena Movie [IfeRae@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] Con 03 Friday Night Cabaret [KTL ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena movie poll [cr ] [chakram-refugees] Re: When to place the Xena movie [cande@sunlink.net] [chakram-refugees] Xena Movie Poll Stats [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] When to place the Xena Movie [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] When to place the Xena Movie [Sekhmet209@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] Lucy designed shirt for Breast Cancer Research ["Creat] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 00:26:28 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> In a message dated 2/17/2003 3:09:04 PM Central Standard Time, cande@sunlink.net writes: > Xena has always been ambitious and ruthless > but I never saw her up until to this moment as duplicitous. She has always > been straightforward in her goals and ambitions. Indeed through out this > episode she pronounces her worldview with pride and candor. Why suddenly > she > decides to deceive Odin is a bit of a mystery to me? Perhaps Odin's > gullibility was just to tempting - Xena couldn't resist using it to get > what > she wanted.>> Hmmm, I got the impression that early Xena would do whatever it took. She allowed her commander in the "Past Imperfect" flashback to deceive the Centaurs, deceiving Borias in the process. She played along with the Amazons and Cyane, only to use their skills to kill them. In Odin's case, her earlier dismissal of love forced her to be convincing in proving she loved him. Otherwise, he might have suspected that she could use the Rhinegold with impunity. No, when it came to something as powerful as the Exion (?) Stone or the Rhinegold, Xena didn't let a little thing like honesty stand in the way. > I've always wondered why Xena didn't kill Grindhilda. I think there are two > reasons. First I think she had a kind of grudging respect for her. > Grindhilda is brave and resourceful and certainly not afraid to die for her > cause. Also I think Xena relishes the conflict with Grindhilda. For Xena > Grinhilda is the only opponent worth her time - without Grinhilda > everything > would just be too easy. Grinhilda makes things interesting for Xena. She > kept her playmate alive so they could fight again. Yes, I wondered about that too. I came to the same conclusion as you, although I also thought Xena wanted to rub Grinhilda's nose in losing Odin, being defeated and watching Xena gain even more power after acquiring the Rhinegold. But it's not until I read your comment that I realized how much that reminded me of the time Callisto spared Xena in order to prolong Xena's suffering and keep her around to "play" with. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 00:26:34 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] "Heroic" Death (Was Re: Creation's poll) In a message dated 2/17/2003 6:30:51 AM Central Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > On Monday 17 February 2003 05:17, KTL wrote: Ife wrote > >>Yep, I was okay with FIN, but definitely wouldn't mind a happy ending > >>that built on what happened previously and didn't jeopardize the (wasn't > >>it 40,000?) souls. My own theory is that Yodoshi put that idea in > >>Akemi's head, thinking he could defeat Xena if she stayed in the spirit > >>realm. Who's to say there was any truth to it? > > > >Ouch! I don't like that idea. I don't like that Xena's profound sacrifice > >that resulted in her finally getting the redemption she'd been searching > >for since day one was done because someone tricked her. Xena not only > >isn't stupid, she also is excellent at sniffing out the charlatan (though > >this skill was a little slowed down in season four). I just don't see her > >being taken in. It's very ignoble. Not worthy of her end. To me. > > Yeah. Me too. That would be almost as bad as fudging up a timeline so > that > FIN 'never happened'. It's cheating Xena and kinda cheating the viewer, > too. > > In some shows, the hero dying as a result of a massive mistake or screw-up > would fit right in - the end of Blakes 7 for instance, or I could even see > > it happening to Crichton in Farscape.... but it does *not* suit Xena!! > I've gotta disagree with both of you. See, I don't buy that heroes (even mythical ones) have to die for something that is massive or even reasonable to other people. Xena routinely put her life on the line for everything from star-crossed lovers, to situations where there was little likelihood that she'd survive. So what if somebody "cheated" to get her killed? So what if maybe that makes her look foolish? So what if she wasn't entirely responsible for the tragedy at Higuchi? Bottom line, she had a few hours to save a town and some souls she'd been partially responsible for jeopardizing. Rather than waste time worrying about the consequences to herself or her image, she took action. Frankly, I liked that the situation didn't make sense. I liked that she died as she'd lived - being the one to jump in where others would question the value of doing so. What other characters did or didn't do was more of a comment on them, not on her nobility or intelligence. Plot device or not, the reason for Xena's death didn't diminish her heroism in my eyes one iota. She saved the souls. Period. Anybody might've sacrificed themselves for an obviously "legitimate" reason. Only Xena would do so *just because.* As she said in "Tsunami" when she went back to rescue that convict, she expected "nothing less" from herself. Even if she'd finally died trying to save that piece of crap, it would've been a good enough statement for me about what a hero does. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 00:26:31 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] When to place the Xena Movie In a message dated 2/17/2003 9:53:44 AM Central Standard Time, meth@smoe.org writes: > In order to have a prayer of getting the project greenlighted, Tapert et > al. will have to aim at the lowest common denominator. That means creating > > a two-hour standalone episode along the lines of "Chariots of War" or "The > Price" or "Tsunami" ... something that doesn't rely too much upon the > audience's knowledge of Xena's backstory, that allows the grrls to kick > maximum amounts of ass while not having to waste too much time on > exposition. Studios are going to be looking for something that's more > "Tomb Raider" than "The X-Files Movie". While that's not going to be as > satisfying to many nutballs as a filmed piece of post-FIN fanfic might be, > it could still make an entertaining movie. > Maybe I'm being too naive, but I just can't see Tapert reprising XWP to give us more of what we already had. I don't mean because of us hardcore fans, but because of his own desire to try something more novel. Yes, I think he'd include some of the tried and true formula that made the show a success. I think he'd have to be cognizant of box-office realities. Still, I believe he truly loved the character and that neither he nor LL would want to put something out there that didn't take a few creative risks. I loved that about the show and it's why I would be optimistic if they decided to do a movie. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 00:26:36 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] When to place the Xena Movie In a message dated 2/16/2003 11:38:28 PM Central Standard Time, fsktl@aurora.uaf.edu writes: > I was thinking about this last night and it struck me that possibly this > is Rob's ace in the hole. That if they can't get a Xena movie up with Ur > X&G, they could turn to just casting Lucy and Renee as X&G "types" and go > ahead and make them in a modern day world. Either showing them as the > Clones or Annie and Maddie from Deja vu or just having them as > the grrls reincarnated, either overtly or as a kind of subtext that only > XWP fans would "get". This could free them from having to to involve > Universal, letting them shop a grrl adventure story around to many > studios. > Oh, gods, not Mattie and Annie. I said I wouldn't mind them in modern times, but I did *not* have those characters in mind. Brrrrr. No Janice and Mel, either, thank you very much. I cannot watch LL simpering around as Mel, though ROC could be Janice all she wants. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 22:35:46 -0900 (AKST) From: KTL Subject: [chakram-refugees] Con 03 Friday Night Cabaret First let me say that we did sing the four letter word song as a three letter word song with Danielle. I wasn't just being discreet when writing about it. I think she just couldn't bear NOT to sing it with us but she was trying to respect the people in the audience who were uncomfortable with it. But of course, that is the whole point of singing that word, to release any discomfort over talking, thinking or referring to certain body parts but not others. Somehow singing (to Frere Jacques) Arm arm arm arm Arm arm arm arm Arm arm arm Arm arm arm just doesn't quite have the same zing and zest as singing about our unts. I was thinking about an original song about unts. There's not a lot of rhyming words, but some certainly have potential when speaking of unts. Like "hunt" or "grunt". Whereas "bunt" and "runt" don't immediately lead to many obviously appropriate word pictures. Punt MIGHT be usable. "Well, punt my unt." Hmmm... Needs a little work Okay, so the Friday night cabaret. The cabaret is when I really miss Kevin. I remember the very first cabaret I went to in San Francisco. I didn't really expect much from it. I figured it was just a way to get more money to the stars to make their coming over to do cons more attractive. And then Joel and Kevin and the Creation band back-up came out and just ROCKED! It was fabulous! Then Danielle came out and screeched her way through a few numbers with infectious power and glee and I just had a great time. Kevin imitated Elvis, sang rock n' roll nice and dirty the way it should be sung AND stripped his shirt off for us so we could ogle his beautiful body. What a guy! I just really miss him at the cabaret. First up was Danielle and Claire's show. They came out on stage, sat half facing the screen behind them. They were dressed very modestly, very academically. Danielle had her hair screwed back into a ponytail and was wearing heavy black/brown nerd glasses. (NOT as a retro fashion statement, I don't think.) Oh kewl! I just realized that since it's been a few days now since the con, I can just point out pictures of the folks on stage-I don't have to describe their clothes ANY MORE! YAY! Go here on Mary D's site to see Claire and Danielle: http://ausxip.com/news/2003con/cabaret/p1010011.jpg And here's Danielle from her first day: http://ausxip.com/conventions/03pasadena/0207-guests/DSC00336.JPG FURK! That's not what I described as her top at all! Who the hell was wearing the purple top with white swishy things on it then? Maybe Tim? Oh, here it is! It's a SKIRT that Darien was wearing, not a TOP that Danielle was wearing. Look: http://ausxip.com/conventions/03pasadena/lauren/darien14.JPG Well, at least I had the brown shoes and blue socks right for Danielle: http://ausxip.com/conventions/03pasadena/michelle/0283.jpg *sigh* That is it. I give up! No more furken fashion reports! Just go check Mary D's site if you want to know what the hell they were wearing. Okay back to the cabaret. Great, now I can't remember what the Claire/Danielle show was called AND I can't find any reference to it on the net. I THINK it was called "Secrets of the Chakram". As I said, Claire and Danielle came out very primly dressed and then proceeded to show us slides of the lives of Xena and Gabrielle. It was a combination of a lecture and a tabloid expose. It was a pretty crazed, very witty, extremely funny show with very clever commentary. Claire told us later that she and Danielle had written it. My favorite part was Spoiler space-don't read if you don't want to be spoiled in case they do this at another con when they said the next slide was a picture of Gabrielle's parents. And up on the screen flashed a slide of Ellen DeGeneris and Anne Heche. Their hair colors and styles were exactly like Gabrielle's. How did we ever not realize this before? END OF SPOILER The minute I saw Claire and Danielle, I immediately said to myself, "They'll be stripping those clothes off before the end of the night." The big surprise was that they didn't. At least *I* was surprised that they didn't. Because that's something that I've always thought about at cons. Very often many of the women talk about how actresses have to not just have talent and good looks, but they must also be willing to expose their bodies on screen in order to get work. Sometimes it's as minimal as wearing tight, clingy, low-cut, short outfits, sometimes it's showing a flash of T&A, sometimes it's a nude scene. I've heard Claire, Alex and this time Vicky all talk about this over the years. And then at the evening shows at the con, I've seen Claire, Alex and Hudson voluntarily come out in very sexually explicit costumes. They always talk about making up their own shows, deciding on what they will do themselves for the cabaret. So they must decide to perform in those outfits on their own. All I could ever figure about it was that it was done to please the lesbian fans. (Who FAR outnumber the straight men at cons.) And who were never shy about roaring out their appreciation. Grin. Certainly most of the straight grrls who make up another huge fan base might also enjoy seeing anyone's nice body, but I think the appreciation of same at these shows is of a somewhat different order for the two classes of women. So I'd notice the clothing and the sexually explicit shows and think about what they had said during the day as I watched them perform at night. And I would accept that they were willing to display themselves for this audience and not feel exploited about it, since they'd "brought it on themselves." So this was why I was fully expecting at least Claire to strip. And this time she didn't. But the show was still very enjoyable. Darien came out and sang three Edith Piaf songs for us. The last one was "La Vie en Rose" which is THE song you always heard in old movies whenever they showed Paris on the screen. Darien has such a lovely, lush, old-fashioned voice. She said, "This may be my last go at Piaf" but didn't say why. She had a cd for sale at the con, a new one. She sang a funny little song from it, very quirky and odd. Tim came out and sang a number of songs for us also. He was smoking and drinking and kind of hanging on the mike as he sang. I think he's trying to lure the soul of Frank Sinatra down (or up) to channel him. Then Hudson came out. She was wearing a short, pale green, Chinese patterned kimono. (YES-I'm right! I checked!) She sat stage left at the very edge of the stage on a chair. Her dancing partner (Forest Walsh) came out. Then she got up and stripped off the kimono, revealing a shimmy like outfit. And ultimately she wound up in her black undies and black stockings with a garter belt. Forest kept all his clothes on, even his hat. And they danced to songs which HAD to be from "Chicago". I didn't know that Chicago is a musical version of "Roxie Hart" until just recently. Last year, Hudson and possibly this same guy, danced to an Astaire and Rogers routine. And Ginger Rogers played Roxie Hart in the original movie version. Life is just a series of little coincidences. Hudson and Forest performed a complex and strenuous routine-it's very obvious that Hudson is an extremely limber woman. And it was also very obvious once again that there were lots of new fans/con virgins at this con because waves of "oooooooooooh's" and "aaaaaaaaaaaah's" sounded around the hall as Forest tossed Hudson around the stage, and as she positioned her body into graceful postures and held them, as Forest supported her high in the air. It was one of those "How amazing" sounds which indicated to me that many of these guys had not been present at the show last year and had no idea Hudson could do this. And that was the end of the cabaret on Friday, the end of the first night of the con. Let the parties begin. KT To unsubscribe: From your email program, send a blank message to: flawless-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:01:53 +0000 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] When to place the Xena Movie On Monday 17 February 2003 15:46, meredith wrote: > > Just so long as (gods help us) TPTB don't decide that the best chance to > bring in an audience would be "featuring Kevin Sorbo as Hercules". If that > happens, I may just be forced to run screaming into the trees. > ... where Tarzan and Sheena can rescue you. cr ... entering into the spirit of celebrity-name-dropping :) ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:58:31 +0000 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena movie poll On Tuesday 18 February 2003 05:00, NZJester wrote: > At 11:43 a.m. 17/02/2003 +0000, cr wrote: > >No *that* wasn't a fix for the problem. But anyway the problem wasn't > >actually created in Sacrifice, it was created in Ides when Callisto turned > > up in Hell. Surely as a Greek goddess she should have been in Tartarus. > > They never fixed that. > > Maybe Hell is like the afterlife version of a federal prison? > When she was just killing in the normal insane way she > was under the jurisdiction of the Greek gods to go to > the local prison of Hades as it was a local crime > > But after helping out Hope & her dad she crossed the line > and it was now a federal crime and she fell under the > jurisdiction of Lucifer and hell the federal prison? > > What do you think? > Hmmm. Ok, I'll grasp at anything (within reason) to resolve a YAXI. Actually, at that time, it was the jurisdiction of Mephistopheles, since Xena hadn't done the G W Bush thing and replaced him with another ruler of her choice viz. Lucifer. (Says cr, neatly bringing politics into it ;) I'm wondering if Dahak might have had any connection with Mephistopheles... if so, then that might explain how any of his associates getting killed could end up in Hell. It's a bit of a stretch, but in the absence of any other theory it'll have to do. Thanks for the suggestion. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:09:57 -0500 (EST) From: cande@sunlink.net Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: When to place the Xena movie Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:37:27 -0900 (AKST) From: KTL Subject: [chakram-refugees] When to place the Xena Movie "A story before the 25 year gap would enable them to use any of the regular cast of characters they wanted to. Hell, Joxer, could be in it!" Frankly that hardly is a selling point for me. Joxer was annoying enough on TV I wouldn't care for him on the big screen . Afterall I think the selling point would be Xena and Gabrielle not the minor characters. The story should concentrate on them. "That might be a good selling point with Universal, that the story would be familiar to the masses of fans who caught a few eps here and there every year it was on. And who are considered the regular fans, the broad base of fandom,as defined by the studios. I remember reading this years ago--that studios define a fan as someone who watches maybe 7 episodes a year. (About a third of a season." Perhaps but then again I would think the studio is looking for a bigger story than a two hour Xena episode. It is going to spend a lot of money so I would think they would want something they could sell to the general public and the fans of the show. Bringing Xena back after FIN isn't such hard sell. The episode got plenty of publicity and you could sell it on curiosity factor alone. How will they bring Xena back from the dead? That may intrique people who aren't even Xena fans. I don't think the bach sory would be that hard to get people caught up on. Xena's dead. Her ashes are in the pot and a mournful Gabby's off to Eqypt. We take up the story from there. Hell the original Star Wars ran a shot synopsis at the beginning of the film and no one was put off by it. My biggest problem any pre-FIN story is the fact that Lucy and Renee look different. They are older and certainly a 32 year old ROC doesn't look like a teen-ager any more (yes she is still very cute). I'm sure she doesn't want to climb back into the BGSB and get back the long blond hair. Now I'm not saying they aren't attractive or decrepit but they aren't kids anymore. A story set after FIN however would deal with characters who are more mature and that would be a better fit for the actresses "A story after FIN takes off from a whole new tangent with a whole new Xena--a post reformation Xena. THAT is the most exiting idea to me by far. A whole new conflict would have to be worked up since the main thread of the series--Xena's quest for redemption is over. Or else it could just be one of the more typical T&A summer blockbuster type of movies--all special effects and chariot races and of course no room for all those lovely angst-filled arcs." My biggest fear is that we are going to get a summer FX film. No story just fights and blowing things up. I like my agnst and although I enjoy a good explosion, to be a true Xena experience we those touchy feelly moments between sword play. If anything Xena can mix action and emotion better than any other genre story. "At the con a fan asked Katherine "What about an uber?" She had no idea what "uber" meant in this context and someone explained it would be a story of X&G in the modern world. She said something about, "Oh, like the concept in Between the Lines, the soulmates through time." (Didn't mention The Xena Scrolls, which of course was the original uber impetus.) Katherine and Sharon didn't follow up on that--they stuck with the original three choices, so the fans didn't get to vote on that option at all." I though Katherine pretty much rejected the idea of a modern day Xena story. "I was thinking about this last night and it struck me that possibly this is Rob's ace in the hole. That if they can't get a Xena movie up with Ur X&G, they could turn to just casting Lucy and Renee as X&G "types" and go ahead and make them in a modern day world. Either showing them as the Clones or Annie and Maddie from Deja vu or just having them as the grrls reincarnated, either overtly or as a kind of subtext that only XWP fans would "get". This could free them from having to to involve Universal, letting them shop a grrl adventure story around to many studios." Oh God not Annie and Maddie I rather be subjected to the Joxer movie . Janice and Mel is another story altogether - Janice Mel discover the post-FIN scroll. LL and ROC get to play characters that go against type and then morph into Xena and Gabby. I doubt however that Lucy or Renee would be interested in doing this kind of action film that isn't Xena-based. This would just be another Kull The Conqueror fiasco. Doing Xena and Gabrielle is one thing - these are famous characters but doing an imitation Xena and Gabrielle would just lock them more firmly into a sterotype that they are probably having difficulty escaping now. I suspect it will be Xena and Gab and nothing else ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:11:00 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Xena Movie Poll Stats I finally got to the poll (thanks HudsonHawke for the link!). As of Feb. 18, the votes were 79% for after AFIN, 15% for before the ice cave and 6% for between the ice cave and AFIN. BTW, the link that finally worked for me was http://vote.sparklit.com/web_poll.spark?pollID=723757&closeWindowOnVote=1&type =regularRadio - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:17:48 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] When to place the Xena Movie In a message dated 2/18/03 4:56:21 AM Central Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: << On Monday 17 February 2003 15:46, meredith wrote: > > Just so long as (gods help us) TPTB don't decide that the best chance to > bring in an audience would be "featuring Kevin Sorbo as Hercules". If that > happens, I may just be forced to run screaming into the trees. > ... where Tarzan and Sheena can rescue you. >> Stop! You two are scaring me! - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:38:55 EST From: Sekhmet209@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] When to place the Xena Movie In a message dated 2/18/03 4:19:20 PM, IfeRae@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 2/18/03 4:56:21 AM Central Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz >writes: ><< On Monday 17 February 2003 15:46, meredith wrote: > > > > Just so long as (gods help us) TPTB don't decide that the best chance to > > bring in an audience would be "featuring Kevin Sorbo as Hercules". > > If that happens, I may just be forced to run screaming into the trees. > > ... where Tarzan and Sheena can rescue you. > >> > > Stop! You two are scaring me! > >-- Ife Good thing Chris and Meredith aren't writing the movie... ;-) - --Sekhmet ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:22:18 -0800 From: "Creation (Sharon Delaney)" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Lucy designed shirt for Breast Cancer Research I decided to see if I could order it from Glassons -- the NZ store selling the shirt. Got in touch with a very nice lady and she gave me ordering info. I put it on the web page listed below. I told her there might be a few more calls from Lucy fans Sharon Official Xena Fan Club http://www.creationent.com/outback/lucyshirt/lucyshirt.html ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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