From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #47 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Monday, February 17 2003 Volume 03 : Number 047 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena Movie Poll [HawkFalco@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] Con 03 Danielle and the found Musetta [KTL ] [chakram-refugees] Honolulu Advertiser, 2/10/2003 ["Jackie M. Young" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:39:06 EST From: HawkFalco@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena Movie Poll The poll appears as a pop up on the Creation web site. Evidently some browsers don't support the pop up or they can be defeated by certain filters and programs in ones server or PC. Try this direct link to the poll: http://vote.sparklit.com/web_poll.spark?pollID=723757&closeWindowOnVote=1&type =regularRadio Or I suppose you could write Sharon directly. Hope this helps- Hawk ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 21:52:21 -0900 (AKST) From: KTL Subject: [chakram-refugees] Con 03 Danielle and the found Musetta I forgot to say that when I first got my seat assignment on Thursday night, I was appalled to find out that I was in D53. I walked inside the hall to check it out. It was so far to the side that I figured it was the equivalent of being sent to Siberia. I grumbled about it, being of the mindset (along with every other fan) that though I KNOW there are about 600 gold seats, I still figure in my head-"I got a gold seat-I know I'm gonna be in front row center." The next day we were over at the con in our seats a little early and all the people around us were also mumbling, "I figured I would be in the front row center." I have to say that Fuzz alone of all those disgruntled grrls kept her head and said, "Guys, look-the rows are angled. With the angle we're actually NOT all that far from the stage." We all gave her disgusted glances. I figured she was just being a cop and trying to stop a burgeoning riot but I was refusing to be fooled. Then I'll be darned if Fuzz wasn't right-when Paris came out, we all realized that our seats WERE actually very good. Good on ya, Fuzz! And--Yaaa-hooo! It was the best seat I've ever had a con, by far. Danielle was funnier than I have ever seen her. She wore: a black skirt with blue socks and brown shoes. She had on a top that was kind of purple with like swirling patches of a whitish pattern on it. She had a metal belt made out of keys. (Damn, I HATE this "tell them what she wore girly stuff"-I'm always glad to get THAT out of the way.) She told a story about the key belt, but I don't remember what she said. Anybody who was there remember? She said she was sorry that the skirt she was wearing was too short to do any break-dancing in. She had rented a vehicle when she arrived in LA and they gave her a pick-up truck which she thought was way cool. She said, "I feel like Daisy Duke when I drive it!" She joked about her famous, often repeated line, "Amazons ATTACK!" She played with it, saying it in a tentative, wienie, childishly irritated way so it came out as more of a whine. "Amazons attaaaack" And she was flouncing around like a girly girl as she did so. She told us she was staying with Lucy and that she had been absolutely starving at dinnertime the night before. And that Lucy is also usually starving since she's nursing again and a nursing mom is ALWAYS hungry. So last night they raced each other to the refrigerator, seeking the sushi they knew was in there. She said that it definitely escalated into a battle, adding, "It was just like that time we had the tree fight in the show" and that it was a really close call as to who would get to the food first. She indicated that this was a fairly common event and that "if Lucy is hobbling tomorrow night during the show, you'll know who won the dinner fight." You know, I bet it makes Lucy happy to have some of the Kiwis stay with her. It's always nice to be among people who talk the way you do, who enjoy the same food you do (I bet Danielle eats Bovril) and who just understand home, ya know? I mean, I always enjoy going back to New York to visit, where they say words the right way, get "on" line and eat hot dogs with onions in tomato sauce on them. Danielle announced that she is going to be in a play with Joel Tolbeck in April at the Auckland Theater Company. Then she talked about how she didn't realize in the past how important Ephiny was to people. She said that if she HAD realized that, she would have tried to convince Sears to just put Ephiny into a coma instead of killing her off in End Game. "And THEN I could have asked for my own spin-off--the Ephiny show!" she laughed. She said that she misses working on Xena. That now she thinks about just how kewl a show it was. How neat it was to dress up in almost nothing and hack people to bits. She said she would PAY to have that experience again. But she really loves theater. The reality of it, the "live" aspect of it. That you can't yell "Cut", you can't stop, that whatever happens, you have to continue with the show. She also enjoys the immediate response from the audience, that absolutely-in-the-present interaction between the artist and the viewer. She talked about having worked with Kevin Smith in "A Streetcar Named Desire". (Damn-I bet he made a right FINE Stanley Kowalski.) At one point, Stanley has to open a trunk and get something out. And Kevin just could not get the trunk open. So everybody's kind of standing around on stage waiting for him to do the bit. He got SO frustrated that he started mumbling, "F*ck. F*ck. F*cken trunk" and then got louder F*CK! F*CK!", as he was scrabbling at the lid. And she said, "I knew that most people had seen or read this play and I figured that they probably knew that those lines were NOT in the original." Presumably he eventually did get the trunk open. She said, "I didn't really understand 'The Price of Milk' until I learned that the director was a crack head." He's the same guy who did "Topless Women Talk About Their Lives." She said it was very impromptu-"You show up, he writes a scene while you stand there and then you do it." Then she talked about the fun she had at past cons singing with Kevin and Joel. She decided that maybe she should do a "solo single tour by myself alone." Then she said something like, "You get that? Just me, solo, single." THEN she said, "It was a loooooong flight." (grin) She talked about doing the Vagina Monologues in New Zealand. Her favorite character was this "old lady from Queens. She's FANTASTIC!" She asked if any guys had seen the Vagina Monologues. She laughed and said that one guy had raised his hand. (It was probably Joe from Pasadena.) She praised him. "Well done, sir--a hand for the man!" So we all applauded him. As with all stage events these days, there was a big screen behind the guest stars so that everyone in the audience could see them, could read their faces and watch their reactions. She kept glancing over her shoulder and then finally laughed, saying, "I keep thinking there's someone behind me watching me-and I turn around and it's me!" A fan asked her, "If you only had four days to tour New Zealand, what things would you recommend people do?" After expressing dismay at only having four days in New Zealand, she suggested going to the beaches, especially the beaches of the west coast. And somewhere in there, she said something about the little bushes of New Zealand-she called them, "Bushels". Another fan asked her if it was hard to play a part that had her doing something she, Danielle wouldn't do. Danielle scowled a bit as she said, "We're PAID to play other people. If you can't do it, get out of the game." That generated a lot of applause. Then she said that having said that, she would be concerned about "playing in something like 'Big Ted's Pie Bake-Off', one of those AMERICAN productions." (You know-I had that written down as Big Ted's Pie Back Off, but surely it must be bake-off, no?) Then she suddenly dropped to the stage and did a little break dancing, holding her skirt tightly against the back of her thighs while she twirled around on her back and her side. Then when she stood back up, she said, "Oh my god-I didn't put any panties on today!" There was a young girl there who was dressed as Gabrielle of the BGSB. She had asked Paris a question and Paris asked her how old she was and she said "nine". She came up to the mike and said to Danielle something like, "You had the smallest costume on the show." So Danielle said, "Well, you know, when you first got in in the morning, your body is all cold and kind of all shrunk in on itself. Then your body is expanding all day from the heat-and from the free food. That's what I always ask when I go for a part-is there food? So your costume is all nice and loose in the morning but by 5 or 6 p. m. I could hardly breath because it was so tight". Then she said that she had done about 7 or 8,000 auditions for Herc-Xena before they hired her. They said "She's too hard. She needs the push up bra. She needs make-up." And she said she'd go off and try to soften herself up, fix herself up and then try again. And eventually of course, she got hired. Then she said, "Kevin. I think about him. I ALWAYS think about him, but particularly when I do cons. I've worked with him since the beginning of my career 16 years ago. We did 'Gloss' together. He was never appreciated as much as he was in this country." She said that she had never publicly spoken about him since his death. That when he died, she was approached for quotes. And that the reporters were all just trying to get involved in the drama of it. They didn't really care about him, they wanted to be part of the story for themselves. So she refused to give them that drama, she refused to give them their quotes. But that here, at the cons she's at this year, she would talk about him publicly for the first time since he died. She said that only here, only among the Xena fans are people who are fully appreciative of his work. That he was never revered, never held in esteem the way he should have been, he was never treasured anywhere else the way we treasure him. "As his friend, I applaud you for recognizing his worth. He never got that in New Zealand." And she did stand there and applaud us. It was a very moving moment. Again, I'm so glad that they realize how much we love, enjoy and appreciate what they gave us. What they mean to us. And that they can take comfort from that for themselves. After she was done applauding us (and us her), she went back to talking about her costume and her expanding body that gave her so much trouble. She said, "Just after lunch I would always stagger over to the costume department and ask, 'Can you loosen a few ties for me?'" She then talked about the day when she had to shoot the "famous flaming piece of grass" from a bow. ? She talked about how the scene was scheduled for just after lunch. The shot was set up so she crouching down first, then she leapt up, released the "piece of grass" and then crouched down again. She said the boom mike was right behind her to get any sound effects from her swishing in the bushes. Well, she crouched down, leapt up and then crouched down again. And as she returned to her crouching position, she ripped out a HUGE fart. She said, "I immediately clenched my butt cheeks so tight, that you couldn't have pulled a needle out of my ass with tweezers!" Then she said she looked around at the crew and they were totally oblivious. No one had heard it! So she was feeling pretty good about it until she turned back around and saw the sound man who was shaking helplessly as he brayed out hysterical laughter. She then demurely finished the story by saying, "Next time I will ask the director, 'Can we do my shots before lunch?' Or I will make the suggestion to the catering crew to maybe not offer the bean salad at lunch." You know, a woman of my age shouldn't find a fart story so funny, but it STILL cracks me up every time I think of it. I think what tickles me the most is just that Danielle shared it with us. Yeah, it's funny, but it's pretty embarrassing, you know? But it IS funny, so she tells us. Danielle talked again about how bizarre some of the stuff on Xena was. She said that at the time though, on set, you just get into it and everything seems perfectly natural. Then just a little while ago, "I was walking along and I suddenly just stopped dead in the middle of the street and said to myself, 'Oh my GOD! I made love to a centaur!" A fan asked if she spoke any other languages. And she answered that she spoke about 160. But then admitted that actually, she was talking about being able to do accents, not actually speak a language. Someone asked her something how could a person know they'd lived a good life. She quickly replied, "Look back on your path. Is it a path you're really proud of?" I think a fan asked her if she had taken any souvenirs home from the show. At any rate, she told us that she and Karl Urban had "had a contest to see how many pairs of underwear we could steal. He kept stuffing them into his clothes, so he had drawers in his drawers. 'Not a good look for you, honey', I told him." Then she asked if we were ready to sing "something" with her to the tune of Frere Jacques. She realized that there were children in the audience and then explained that this was a bit from the Vagina Monologues and it featured a four letter word. She asked if anyone would be offended if we sang it and one person said s/he would. Some others in the audience yelled for her to do it anyway, but she said no, that wouldn't be right. Then she said that her mother and grandmother had been in the audience one night at the VM when Danielle's character led the audience in song. And that at first they were all weirded out but that by the end of the endless refrain, they both found it "incredibly FREEING!" So she thought about dropping the first consonant and singing it as a three letter word, but then she said, "But that doesn't count then!" So we didn't do it. Then she talked about singing with Kevin and Joel at the cabarets at the cons. She talked about having to hit a really high note that "Just about ruptured my bladder. I figured I'd have to wear an incontinent pad next time." Finally, she said she just couldn't stand it anymore and said she just had to sing with us. With that warning, she began to lead us all in singing to the tune of Frere Jacques, "Unt unt unt unt unt unt unt unt unt unt unt. Unt unt unt. Cracked me up. Then she talked about trying to play an old Jewish lady when she was auditioning for the Vagina Monologues. "I started off well but somehow ran into a southern accent by the end of the scene. I said to them, 'I used to be really good at that accent'". And that was it. She said to us, "You bloody beauties!" and as she walked to the edge of the stage to applaud us, she said to someone in the first row, "Don't you look up my skirt!" I walked outside and Musetta Vander was in the exhibit hall signing autographs for a fee. I had promised a buddy of mine that I would get her autographs from all the new people this year. I don't really care about getting autographs although I do like to say thank you to the actors for their work so I was happy to do this for my bud. So I went up to Musetta, gave her the picture I had bought the night before and asked her to sign it. She was very friendly, very nice, very slight and slender. She seemed "little". Now I know a lot of people say this about Lucy but I had never felt this before about Lucy or about any of the other women on Xena-I think maybe I just don't usually mix up the actor and the character. But that was the first thing I thought when I saw Musetta-how little she was. Anyway, I gave her the picture and while I was musing over how little she was, she looked at me, smiled and said, "What's your name?" I smiled back and said, "KT". She then proceeded to write, "To KT" on the picture. Great. Now I had to buy ANOTHER picture of her, pay for ANOTHER autograph and get her to write my FRIEND'S name on it. Luckily she had one on hand. And that was the end of the daytime con. The Friday cabaret was next. KT ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:10:22 -0500 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: Xena movie Poll Well I have two cents to put in here. Katherine Fulgate at the convention said if she wrote the script it would definitely be subtext friendly but not blatant. There would be no boy friends in her script and a rejection of subtext wold be a deal breaker for her. She likes subtext that is a bit obscure simply it is easy to get that accepted by the studios and the audience - in other words love is easier to accept than sex so its better to emphasis the love and gain the audience sympathy and acceptance that way. Also I think she is leaning to setting the movie in Egypt because of the resurrection themes in Egyptian religion. It certainly would be possible to have a plot that involves Gabrielle fighting an evil Set. Xena as a spirit could be called upon to help and in the process be resurrected for the greater good. I could see Universal going for the Egyptian tie in since The Mummy was so popular. I still however would prefer a TV miniseries. Steven Sears at this point is not involved in the movie. I know this because I asked him and he said he was not involved. I can only assume Lucy and Renee would be in any Xena movies produced by Rob Tapert. I would imagine domestic bliss would be jeopardized otherwise not to mention RT coping with really irate fans (not just nutcases in this instance). CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:41:04 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Honolulu Advertiser, 2/10/2003 From our local (Honolulu) morning paper [*thanks*, Michael, if you had anything to do with it! --JY]: ======== [with stock press photo inset] "Xena" still lives in conventions Pasadena, Calif.-- Her television adventures may be over, but "Xena: Warrior Princess" still attracts a crowd. A talk by the princess warrior herself, actress Lucy Lawless, was the highlight of the annual Xena Convention, which ended yesterday and was expected to draw 5,000 over three days. The TV show's final episode aired two years ago after six seasons. Appearing with Lawless on Saturday evening was Renee O'Connor, who played "Xena" sidekick Gabrielle. On Saturday, mostly young and middle-aged women mingled around tables of "Xena" merchandise, scripts and autographed pictures. The convention also featured talks by other former cast members, and clips and spoofs of the show, including a silent movie showing Xena and Gabrielle in a bathtube together, a reference to the perception by some viewers that the women were lovers. "We hang out and watch the stars", said Stephani McCarren, 19, who has attended Xena conventions for three years. McCarren's favorite character is Hudson Leick's Callisto. "This will be my fifth time seeing Hudson", she said. "She knows my name". ======== - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 21:44:52 EST From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] [OT] Before We Ruled the Earth This is off-topic, about an extraordinary scene of female courage in an ancient environment, from the Discovery Channel dramatized documentary Before We Ruled the Earth, which premiered last week. This docu covered several different periods of prehistoric humans -- homo erectus, Neanderthals, Cro-Magnons, Beringians and Paleo-Indians. Each segment told a story. Characters spoke in their own languages which were not translated by dubbing or subtitles but explained by a chatty narrator. The Beringians were the people who lived around what is now the Bering Sea, in Siberia and Alaska, at the end of the Ice Age. They were the ancestors of the first people of the Western Hemisphere. The story was about a group of three men, three women and a baby. The women suffered three catastrophes -- first, the three men were killed by a mammoth they were hunting; second, the mammoth meat the women had stored in the ice went bad when the ice melted too soon (the Ice Age was ending); third, a storm blew away their mammoth-hide-and-bone house. This left them without men, food or shelter. The woman with the baby had to hang on to the baby at all times because of all the predators around. That left two women who had to kill a mammoth to survive. They had never hunted anything that big, but they had seen men do it. They found the mammoth who had killed the men; fortunately one of the men had wounded the mammoth, slowing it down, but it was still dangerous. One woman distracted the mammoth while the other rolled between its legs, under its body, and stabbed upward with her spear. She had to get through six inches of fat to get to the lungs. She did it and got away without being trampled. The mammoth chased the women for a while, then collapsed. They finished it off and rendered the animal into food and shelter. And this was done by ordinary-looking women, not big, spectacular ones like Xena. It was a heck of a scene. Boeotian ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:06:57 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] [OT] Before We Ruled the Earth Hi, Boeotian >This docu covered several different periods of prehistoric humans -- >homo erectus, Neanderthals, Cro-Magnons, Beringians and Paleo-Indians. >Each segment told a story. Characters spoke in their own languages which >were not translated by dubbing or subtitles but explained by a chatty >narrator. Um ... how did the producers of the show know what languages the prehistoric humans spoke? Wasn't that before the advent of written communication? And even so, how would they know the pronunciation? Sometimes the Discovery Channel takes disturbingly misleading liberties... =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org NEXT UP: Dorothy Scott, 3/16/03 =============================================== ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:17:08 -0900 (AKST) From: KTL Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Creation's poll > Yep, I was okay with FIN, but definitely wouldn't mind a happy ending that > built on what happened previously and didn't jeopardize the (wasn't it > 40,000?) souls. My own theory is that Yodoshi put that idea in Akemi's head, > thinking he could defeat Xena if she stayed in the spirit realm. Who's to > say there was any truth to it? Ouch! I don't like that idea. I don't like that Xena's profound sacrifice that resulted in her finally getting the redemption she'd been searching for since day one was done because someone tricked her. Xena not only isn't stupid, she also is excellent at sniffing out the charlatan (though this skill was a little slowed down in season four). I just don't see her being taken in. It's very ignoble. Not worthy of her end. To me. Since Yodoshi "cheated" (like Callisto in > "Ides"), the souls could find some way to give Xena yet another chance to > live -- a precedent set in "Fallen Angels." That certainly would be in > keeping with the "logic" or "rules" of the Xenaverse, while preserving the > redemptive altruism of Xena's ultimate sacrifice. > I LIKE the idea of the souls deciding to help Xena. When Xena releases them in FIN, they're all right happy little souls. They are obviously not holding a grudge or anything--I had no impression that they expected nor demanded that Xena stay dead for them--releasing them from Yodoshi's grasp made them very appreciative it looked like to me. They must be avenged, i.e., an outside source, their "system" demands this. It's not them, it's not revenge. That'd be kewl if they were involved. I did write a post once about the gummy souls helping to float Gabrielle back to shore after she falls overboard. Xena the Warrior Pot jumped in too and slipped into Gabrielle's bra to act as a water wing for helping to keep the little blond kid afloat. Then the gummy souls came along and did the propulsion to shore. Now what list was it I posted that on? > Still, anything more than a passing reference to FIN could be problematic. > On one hand, building too much on FIN might only anger those fans who think > FIN was too bloody or "wrong" and shouldn't have happened at all. Well, to be blunt, too bad. FIN was no more bloody, horrific nor mysogynist than many other eps, starting as early as the pre-XWP show Herc ep The Gauntlet, and continuing throughout the series. Without even trying, I can use for examples such eps as Between the Lines, The Way, The Debt and Who's Gurkhan as episodes where Xena gets badly beaten and misused. Some people who hate FIN hold it to a totally different standard than any other ep and act as if everything in it from plot holes to inconsistancies to beating up Xena to killing Xena didn't ever happen in any other ep in the series. That is pure baloney. Those fans will only be praying that the Xena movie fails since they HATE Tapert and some of them hate Lucy too. So I say, screw 'em. I doubt they will even go see it, or at least not ADMIT they went to see it. Or maybe they'll go see it and boo, like they did to Tapert, Stewart, Lawless and O'Connor when they appeared in person at the Museum of Motion Pictures (was it?) in L.A., being honored for their series with a public showing of the finale. On the > other, it might be too confusing to a larger audience more interested in the > present than the past. Personally, I don't care what the movie is about, > even if it makes no reference to FIN at all. I think if it's a post FIN movie, it HAS to address FIN and get Xena back. Otherwise, it's totally senseless. And frustrating! It would drive me MAD if they just had her back and never said anything about how the heck she got de-ashed. And there's loads of ways/plot points to get Xena back. A few nights ago I posted on another list about this and cr has asked me to post that post here--so I'll send that one along next. My preference is for moving > forward from or jumping past FIN (not revisiting "early" XWP), but I'd be > satisfied with anything that's "fresh" in some way -- presenting a view of X& > G in some fashion we hadn't quite seen before. > > -- Ife Well, that's what I say in that post--that post reformation Xena would put a real sweet refresher to the story. KT ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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