From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #46 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Sunday, February 16 2003 Volume 03 : Number 046 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] Creation's poll [Wizdym4@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Creation's poll ["Maria T. Vivoni" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Creation's poll [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Creation's poll [IfeRae@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] Xena Movie Poll [cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaScola) (by ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 01:34:31 EST From: Wizdym4@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Creation's poll I'm sure I'm not the only one who got news that Sears and Stewart are working on a script for a possible Xena movie...I think that news mighta come in the Fan Kit #6....anyway, I then gotta e-mail from the fanclub asking my opinion about the time frame for the movie.(again, I gotta think others got this as well) Anyway, rather than answering quickly, I got to pondering the alternatives and wanted to discuss them with others here: The "powers that be" have asked for the Creation audience's input on a Xena feature film. Please check out the pop-up poll at our site and register your vote today! http://www.creationent.com/ The "powers that be" have asked for the Creation audience's input on a Xena feature film. In what time period would you like a Xena movie to take place? (Select one...) After "Friend In Need" that brings Xena back from the dead. After the 25 years in the ice cave, but before "Friend In Need." Before the 25 years in the ice cave. The first option brings to mind some of the fanfic I've read and wonder how Stewart and Sears would do it...maybe beginning in Egypt where they need a girl with a chakram... The second option gives the possiblity of an alternative time-line for the future. FIN might never need happen if the karma could be worked out in another way....perhaps Xena and Gabby could go to China and see Lao Ma(was that her name?..I mean Xena's first teacher). The third option has the virtue of allowing the return of old beloved characters like Autolocus or Salmoneus or Minya and villains like Ceasar or Callisto or Alti. The storyline of Gods being after Xena and her baby would have to be circumvented somehow. Maybe again an alternative timeline where Xena and/or Hercules talk Athena into letting Xena and her daughter be. And we could see Xena and Gabby with Eve as a child or teenage girl. I dunno, frankly...I'm leaning toward the first or third option, but then again, I'd be intersted in seeing the second option too, ..LOL. I'm very interested in seeing others thoughts on this subject....... ........>>>>>>>Goddess Inspire Us ......>>>Carmon ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 03:50:01 -0600 From: "Maria T. Vivoni" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Creation's poll Actually, I thought it was Katherine Fugate who had been approached to write a script for a Xena movie, but I may be mistaken. Either way, I do hope it happens and that it remains in the hands of those who worked for the show. I think this is an interesting topic to discuss and has been the topic of discussion on a few lists already. My logic is if the movie were set before "Friend In Need" (FIN), then no matter what, the ending of Xena will be with Xena dead and Gabrielle alive because FIN is yet to happen and will happen either way. The options of: - - After the 25 years in the ice cave, but before "Friend In Need" - - Before the 25 years in the ice cave If the Xena timeframe were set before the 25 years or before FIN, there are a few possibilities that can occur, such as a flashback story or an alternative universe. Honestly, I am not interesting in learning about another story that happened during these years when both Xena and Gabrielle were well and alive fighting along side each other. If they go with this, the end result is still the same, Xena dies and stays dead because FIN is yet to happen. Also, as someone from another list explained, if they tried to rewrite something they may destroy the continuity of the show. A perfect example was when they tried to explain what really happened to Gabrielle and Hope when they fell down the abyss at the end of the episode "Sacrifice II". I really thought Dahok's flame saving them both was a very good explanation in the episode "A Family Affair". But then we found out the truth of what really happened in the episode "Soul Possession", which showed that it was Ares who really saved them both. To me that was a very poor explanation and totally threw off the continuity of the show going all the way back to season 4. I did not like that explanation and I do not include "Soul Possession" in the Xena timeframe. Thus, I still believe that it was Dahok who saved both Hope and Gabrielle. As for the alternative universe in order to prevent FIN from occurring, yes they can be really good, such as "When Fates Collide", but then it would be like season 5 and 6 never happened. I know I may be in minority here, but I really enjoyed seasons 5 and 6. They were some very powerful storylines and throughout them both Xena and Gabrielle's relationship and maturity grew stronger and wiser. I would hate to see all those episodes have been for nothing and again the continuity of the series is destroyed, such as the fall of the Gods, Eve, Ares/Aphrodite's relationship with Xena/Gabrielle and the Norse episodes just to mention a few. - - After "Friend In Need" that brings Xena back from the dead Now, if the movie is set after FIN, then we can get a happy ending because there is no way the "powers to be" will make the same mistake twice. The reason why FIN was huge was basically because the fans were upset and outraged with the way the series ended, Xena dead and Gabrielle alive. Hence, I would love to see a new story, a new adventure and possibly new characters with the post-FIN storyline. I want an update on what Gabrielle has been doing and feeling since FIN. I want to see what incredible story the powers to be are going to come up with in order to bring Xena back to life without compromising the state of grace of the 20,000 souls and allow Xena her redemption and not feel guilty of returning to life. I want a happy ending to my favorite show. Thus, I don't want Xena's last chapter to be FIN. I don't want to go back and change seasons 5 and 6 or add another story line to those seasons when the ending will be the same with FIN. I don't want the continuity of the series to be destroyed by alternating a situation to prevent FIN from occurring. I want another chapter after FIN with a happy ending. Bring Xena back to life, allow her to kick butt and save the world with Gabrielle along her side and continue exploring the depths of Xena and Gabrielle's relationship. Ok I made my case, now it's in the hands of the jury. :) Maria _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? 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Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:16:19 +0000 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Creation's poll On Saturday 15 February 2003 06:34, Wizdym4@aol.com wrote: > I'm sure I'm not the only one who got news that Sears and Stewart > are working on a script for a possible Xena movie...I think that news > mighta come in the Fan Kit #6....anyway, I then gotta e-mail from the > fanclub asking my opinion about the time frame for the movie.(again, I > gotta think others got this as well) Anyway, rather than answering quickly, > I got to pondering the alternatives and wanted to discuss them with others > here: > > The "powers that be" have asked for the Creation audience's input on > a Xena feature film. Please check out the pop-up poll at our site and > register your vote today! > http://www.creationent.com/ > > The "powers that be" have asked for the Creation audience's input on a Xena > feature film. In what time period would you like a Xena movie to take > place? (Select one...) > > After "Friend In Need" that brings Xena back from the dead. > After the 25 years in the ice cave, but before "Friend In Need." > Before the 25 years in the ice cave. > > The first option brings to mind some of the fanfic I've read and > wonder how Stewart and Sears would do it...maybe beginning in Egypt where > they need a girl with a chakram... See if KT will copy her post on Whoosh (about how it could be done) to this list.... > The second option gives the possiblity of an alternative time-line > for the future. FIN might never need happen if the karma could be worked > out in another way....perhaps Xena and Gabby could go to China and see Lao > Ma(was that her name?..I mean Xena's first teacher). No. No no no no no. That would just totally devalue, not just the ending, but the whole series. And it's so hackneyed - just about every time-travel movie (including, I'm sad to say, the otherwise excellent Herc eps Armageddon Now) have used it. Really, it's cheating, and it means the audience has been wasting its time watching. I do not believe RT would undercut his own work in that way. > The third option has the virtue of allowing the return of old > beloved characters like Autolocus or Salmoneus or Minya and villains like > Ceasar or Callisto or Alti. The storyline of Gods being after Xena and her > baby would have to be circumvented somehow. Maybe again an alternative > timeline where Xena and/or Hercules talk Athena into letting Xena and her > daughter be. And we could see Xena and Gabby with Eve as a child or teenage > girl. Again, you're talking about wiping out a huge chunk of 'history'. That would be just so unsatisfactory. Even eps I detest - One Against an Army, or Married with Fishsticks, say - have happened, their horrific YAXIs are there, and trying to pretend they never happened won't fix the YAXIs or make me feel any better about them. Nope, any episode set before Friend in Need really has to fit in with the existing series history, IMO. Having said which, I think any Xena movie will have to be aimed at a far larger audience than just the viewers of the TV series, economics demands it. Which probably means that some themes we're used to in the series, like say the subtext, or Xena's quest for redemption, may be hardly visible, and other themes we've never seen may appear. It is possible, of course, that a movie might clash completely with established Xena history, though I hope not. But whatever happens, I don't think it will be just like a Xena episode, only longer. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:36:52 +0000 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Creation's poll On Saturday 15 February 2003 09:50, Maria T. Vivoni wrote: (snip) > Now, if the movie is set after FIN, then we can get a happy ending because > there is no way the "powers to be" will make the same mistake twice. The > reason why FIN was huge was basically because the fans were upset and > outraged with the way the series ended, Xena dead and Gabrielle alive. > Hence, I would love to see a new story, a new adventure and possibly new > characters with the post-FIN storyline. I want an update on what Gabrielle > has been doing and feeling since FIN. I want to see what incredible story > the powers to be are going to come up with in order to bring Xena back to > life without compromising the state of grace of the 20,000 souls and allow > Xena her redemption and not feel guilty of returning to life. I want a > happy ending to my favorite show. > > Thus, I don't want Xena's last chapter to be FIN. I don't want to go back > and change seasons 5 and 6 or add another story line to those seasons when > the ending will be the same with FIN. I don't want the continuity of the > series to be destroyed by alternating a situation to prevent FIN from > occurring. I want another chapter after FIN with a happy ending. Bring > Xena back to life, allow her to kick butt and save the world with Gabrielle > along her side and continue exploring the depths of Xena and Gabrielle's > relationship. > > Ok I made my case, now it's in the hands of the jury. :) > > Maria Very well reasoned. I agree with you, any pre-FIN setting should not cancel out the ending. Trying to make it so FIN never happened is unsatisfactory. I also think any pre-FIN story shouldn't change anything else in the established 'history' either, not even episodes I dislike, for the same reason. I'd accept a pre-FIN story that fitted in with, or at least didn't conflict with, the 'history'. Personally, I thought FIN was entirely fitting and didn't need 'fixing'. I don't care about 'happy endings'. However, I do agree that if Xena is brought back to life afterwards, then it should be in a way that doesn't undo Xena's sacrifice and put the 20,000 soulds back in jeopardy. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:13:10 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Creation's poll In a message dated 2/15/2003 5:36:16 AM Central Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > I don't want the continuity of the > >series to be destroyed by alternating a situation to prevent FIN from > >occurring. I want another chapter after FIN with a happy ending. Bring > >Xena back to life, allow her to kick butt and save the world with > Gabrielle > >along her side and continue exploring the depths of Xena and Gabrielle's > >relationship. > > > >Ok I made my case, now it's in the hands of the jury. :) > > > >Maria > > Very well reasoned. I agree with you, any pre-FIN setting should not > cancel out the ending. Trying to make it so FIN never happened is > unsatisfactory. I also think any pre-FIN story shouldn't change anything > else in the established 'history' either, not even episodes I dislike, for > the same reason. > > I'd accept a pre-FIN story that fitted in with, or at least didn't conflict > > with, the 'history'. > > Personally, I thought FIN was entirely fitting and didn't need 'fixing'. > I > don't care about 'happy endings'. However, I do agree that if Xena is > brought back to life afterwards, then it should be in a way that doesn't > undo > Xena's sacrifice and put the 20,000 soulds back in jeopardy. > > cr Yep, I was okay with FIN, but definitely wouldn't mind a happy ending that built on what happened previously and didn't jeopardize the (wasn't it 40,000?) souls. My own theory is that Yodoshi put that idea in Akemi's head, thinking he could defeat Xena if she stayed in the spirit realm. Who's to say there was any truth to it? Since Yodoshi "cheated" (like Callisto in "Ides"), the souls could find some way to give Xena yet another chance to live -- a precedent set in "Fallen Angels." That certainly would be in keeping with the "logic" or "rules" of the Xenaverse, while preserving the redemptive altruism of Xena's ultimate sacrifice. Still, anything more than a passing reference to FIN could be problematic. On one hand, building too much on FIN might only anger those fans who think FIN was too bloody or "wrong" and shouldn't have happened at all. On the other, it might be too confusing to a larger audience more interested in the present than the past. Personally, I don't care what the movie is about, even if it makes no reference to FIN at all. My preference is for moving forward from or jumping past FIN (not revisiting "early" XWP), but I'd be satisfied with anything that's "fresh" in some way -- presenting a view of X& G in some fashion we hadn't quite seen before. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:59:05 -0500 From: cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaScola) (by way of meredith ) Subject: [chakram-refugees] Xena Movie Poll Hi, I couldn't find the poll on the Creation site so here is my POV. POST FIN definitely. Need to see how the talented powers that be can create a credible way to bring Xena back to Gabrielle sometime shortly after FIN. Also would not mind if the girls, once reunited, somehow skipped forward to the future and found themselves fighting evil in today's world (in NYC for example as Lucy mentioned in a NZ article). Would give the mainstream audience a chance to see Xena as she was, and perhaps attract new fans to our favorite duo in the here and now. Of course the question is where would subtext fit in all of this. Since it seemed pretty clear to Lucy that Xena was outed in FIN, where does that leave them when they reunite?? Either way, I will stand in line to buy my ticket however the film is played out. JUST GIVE US A FILM....SOON. Thanks, Cheryl ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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