From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #34 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Monday, February 3 2003 Volume 03 : Number 034 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] Re: [Flawless] Xena on DVD [mirrordrum ] [chakram-refugees] latest UK xenafest totals ["Ann Reddecliffe" ] [chakram-refugees] <> ["Cheryl Ande" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] latest UK xenafest totals [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Random bits and pieces [Lee Daley > [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [mirrordrum ] [chakram-refugees] DVDs, etc. ;) ["Jackie M. Young" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 00:49:29 -0500 From: mirrordrum Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: [Flawless] Xena on DVD holy toledo! well that's *got* to be better than davis-panzer. different company, too. anybody know anything about anchor? maybe they'll be good and have closed captioning. huzzah! md - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 8:09 PM Subject: [Flawless] Xena on DVD > News about XWP on DVD at: > > http://www.anchorbayent ertainment.com/future/ > > > Amazon is offering Season One as a pre-order at $60-$70; DVD's to be released > in April. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > To unsubscribe: From your email program, send a blank message to: flawless-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 09:46:21 +0000 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] re: John Wayne's real name On Sunday 02 February 2003 06:15, Wizdym4@aol.com wrote: > Cheryl, > You had said,"John Wayne... was a Stanford football player named > Myron Morrison". You may be right, I may be crazy...but I believe I had > read that John Wayne's real name was Marion Morrison. That's how I remember it too. My favourite name, though, is William Henry Pratt - not a very fearsome name for probably the most famous 'horror' actor of all time. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 17:10:51 -0000 From: "Ann Reddecliffe" Subject: [chakram-refugees] latest UK xenafest totals Yet again, we had a triumph in Leicester and UK XWP fans did us proud. The latest 10th Midlands Xenafest raised #2462 for charity. That is about $4000, US. We were supporting LOROS, a Leicestershire charity for people who are terminally ill, including a hospice and community care services. It costs #7.60 a minute for the charity to run its services, so I worked out that we have paid for almost 5 and a half hours of their time. That is someting to be proud of. Yet again, I was overwhelmed by the generosity of fans. We ran out of raffle tickets, people were so generous in buying them. Several people turned up with "a little something for the auction" and our stock just grew and grew. I must say a huge THANK YOU to everyone who made it such a huge success. The day was a lot of fun and, in the best traditions of the show, we did a lot of good. Ann ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 16:39:43 -0500 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Xena DVD This Xena DVD set that is coming out via Anachor Bay is this a different company or is it just a sell through from Panzar Davis? CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 18:50:22 -0500 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] <> # # # # # The Abyss I like this episode very much. It is one of those that I put in when I just want to watch a quintessential Xena episode. It has lovely mushy subtext moments, villains with absolutely no redeeming qualities, Xena at her most heroic, and terrific battle sequences. Of course there are also just wonderful absurd moments too. The episode continues and mercifully concludes Gabrielle's guilt arc. In Legacy, Gabby accidentally killed a young man, Korah, and as this episode opens Gabrielle is still trying to come to grips with this accident. Hunting in the forest Gabrielle misses an easy shot at a buck. When Xena gently teases her about Gabby says she just doesn't know what has come over her. Xena of course knows, Gabrielle is still suffering from guilt. As the duo paddles down a forest river in order to meet up with Virgil and his friend, Xena tries to convince Gabrielle to put aside her guilt. Gabrielle however is worried that her warrior skills are not matched by a sound warrior judgment. Meanwhile things have gone horribly wrong for Virgil and his friend. They have come across a bunch of loathsome cannibals. They have chased the two men through the forest and have captured Horsep, Virgil's friend. A terrified Virgil follows the cannibals and sees his friend being roasted on a spit (this is a scene from an old Cornel Wilde movie, The Naked Savage, that gave me nightmares as a kid). Virgil is absolutely horrified and when he tries to flee he is captured. Meanwhile Xena and Gabrielle are still discussing the state of Gabrielle's psyche when they finally come across Virgil's campsite. They come ashore only to find the camp a shambles with blood everywhere. Xena has deduced that the campfire has been cold for four hours (I wonder how she knows so precisely how cold a campfire gets in 240 min, of course she does have many skills). The two women decide to continue down stream looking for their friends. Gabrielle is still worried about her guilt but Xena says she is glad that Gabrielle was so diligent about watching her back but she that is going to come in handy just about now. Suddenly knives shoot up from the bottom of the boat and the women head for shore. There they are attacked by a score of cannibals. They a fearsome looking lot. Faces painted, teeth filed to points, and wearing boar's heads, they not only attack the women with swords and knives but also gnaw on the women as they fight. The fight is furious. Gabrielle is holding her own but suddenly she has one of the attackers on the ground and as she is about to kill him, when she hesitates. The savage is frightened and looks oddly enough a bit like Korah, Gabby doesn't make the strike and it is an almost fatal error. She is knifed in the side. Xena hears Gabby cry out and begins to battle to her. Gabby however is still doing pretty well - good enough that she suddenly goes from prospective lunch to annoyance for the attackers and she is thrown into the river which now flowing towards a waterfall. Xena seeing her friend dump in the water tosses aside the remaining cannibals and jumps in after her. Back at the camp Virgil, after begging for his life and mentioning that he is a friend of Xena, is knocked unconscious. He awakens in a hut with a fellow prisoner. A thin but genial fellow named Rubio. Virgil is startled to find that a feast has been set out for him and as he eats, a relieved Rubio checks him out. No Rubio isn't looking for a Saturday night date, he just making sure Virgil will be the next menu item. Rubio is pleased with what he finds - Virgil will the blue plate special tonight. Virgil however says Xena will save him - Rubio doesn't have much faith in the Zebra, the Warrior Princess. In the river Xena is frantically trying to reach Gabrielle. The rapids are vicious and soon Gabrielle weighed down by her coats is trapped on a submerged branch. Xena however rescues her and after shucking off their coats (I assume Xena stripped them off because they suddenly disappeared) they make it to a convenient cave. In the cave the wounded Gabrielle is in bad shape. Xena is still lecturing her about how her guilt will get her killed as she removes the knife tip from Gabby's side. As Gabrielle tries to make herself comfortable the in wet cave, Xena tries to see if there is way out of their predicament. A step walls surround the river and the cannibals are still about and chuck rocks at Xena. Xena goes back to the cave to care for Gabby (to cr this is now classic hurt-comfort territory). Gabby knows he has messed up big time. Xena however just wants Gabrielle to be well. As the night progresses Gabrielle slips into delirium, she relieves her flight with Hope. Xena is obviously upset to see that this is still bothering Gabrielle and perhaps is thinking Gabrielle has paid a very big price for being with her. Eventually Xena makes a decision. Gabrielle awakens more lucid but still very ill. She is wet, cold and her wound is infected. Xena has decided the time has come to do something radical. As Xena prepares for their escape, Gabrielle, who has developed a pessimistic streak, decides to tell Xena she wants to be buried with Xena's family. She is part of Xena and wants to be with her forever. Xena is touched and when Gabrielle apologizes for getting them in this mess. Xena says it was her fault for setting Gabrielle on the warrior path. Gabrielle says no - - she is where she wants to be; her path is with Xena. Well Xena says she going to know set Gabrielle on a path to somewhere warm and dry. Strapping Gabrielle to her back Xena begins to climb the river's steep walls - all this in a savage thunderstorm. Once Xena gets to the top of the cliff she sets Gabrielle down. With the admonition not to be afraid, Xena lets out her war cry. The cry alerts the cannibals who are still looking for them. The cannibals find Gabrielle and carry the terrified woman away. Following close behind is Xena. Soon she is attacked. Xena makes short work of the attackers but now she has a boar's head to hide under. Soon Xena is in the cannibal's village. Gabrielle is now deposited with a surprised Virgil and gleeful Rubio. Rubio is thrilled with Gabrielle's arrival since women apparently are a delicacy. Virgil is not so happy but Gabrielle tells Virgil to be ready because Xena will be coming for them. Suddenly the cannibals burst in; they throw Gabby on a table force some kind of brew down her throat and the medicine man does an incantation and they leave just as abruptly. Rubio explains that they don't like their meat spoiled. As daybreak arrives, Xena is in the forest trying to think of a plan. She comes across the waterfall and she gets a scathingly brilliant idea. She starts to work. The chakram buzzes through enormous trees, pushes over giant boulders, Xena drags trees around and hauls boulders into the treetops. All this accompanied by Joe DoLuca's wonderful score. When she is done she has damned the waterfall. This is my favorite scene of the whole series. It is impossible and absurd but it is so wonderfully done. Lucy is so intense and serious that you have no doubt that Xena could do this in just a matter of hours. Xena's damn building exercise is just in time. Back at the hut Gabrielle is feeling better (the cannibals have one heck of a medicine man) and Xena's plan to get Gabrielle warm and dry has worked. Virgil is solicitous and he just wishes he could do something to save Gabrielle. It doesn't seem to have dawned on either the cannibals, Gabrielle, or Virgil that Gabby is still armed to the teeth. Her sais are in her boots. Now the cannibals might have not known what they were, Gabby was sick so maybe she forgot, but Virgil must be as dense as his father not have noticed the two lethal weapons at his disposal. When the cannibals come to take Gabby to lunch, Virgil tries his ineffectual best to save her but to no avail. The cannibals now begin to prepare Gabby for cooking. They obviously have some strange culinary customs since they are going to cook Gabby along with her boots, sais, clothes and jewelry. They begin to smear the clay on her. While I'm sure the male actors may have found this not an unpleasant core, ROC has said this was absolutely disgusting and Gabrielle certainly reflected this disgust. Just as the chief stuff the team vent in Gabby's mouth, a chakram wipes through the ranks cutting Gabby's bonds. Xena has arrived and she is taking no prisoners. Gabby leaps off the table whacks the hell out of the main cannibal and rescues Virgil and Rubio. Xena chakram has a bunch of other tribesmen busy and Xena is literally breathing fire. With the village in flames the group makes their escape. At the edge the waterfall, Gabrielle sees that Xena has been a very busy gal. Xena sends Rubio off and tells Gabby that she is going to go back and lead the cannibals to the damned fall. Gabby will cut the vine that is strung between the trees when she and the tribe are in position. Xena is off and Gabby and Virgil are left behind. They hide themselves but soon a band of cannibals come into the clearing. One of them discovers the tied vine and just as he is about to call to his companions, Gabrielle leaps from her hiding place. Will she be able to kill? It's odd how nearly being the main course at a family picnic can clarify one's thinking - she skewers him. Now Gabrielle and Virgil fight off the he other cannibals. Meanwhile Xena attracts the main body of cannibals. She leads them in wild chase over the dry riverbed to the edge of the falls. As she fights them off she yells for Gabrielle to cut the vine. Gabby however is busy fighting off the cannibals. The fight at the water grows more desperate. Gabby finally kills the last attacker and cuts the vine. In a contraption that would have made Rube Goldberg proud, the vine unleashes a tied boulder that swings down and demolished the damn and river crashes over the falls. Xena leaps to safety and the horrible cannibals drown to a man. Back on land a freshly bathed Gabrielle sits beside Xena. Xena asks how she is. Gabby says fine. "No", Xena says, "How are you upstairs." Gabrielle says she will learn to live with her mistakes because that is "the way." A happily feasting Rubio pipes up with "what way." Xena finally gets around to asking who this strange fellow is anyway. After a light moment the episode ends with a nice shot of Xena giving Gabrielle an amused and affectionate look. There was when this episode aired some discussion over the fact that Xena actually committed genocide when she killed the cannibals. An interesting idea but I would say a false accusation. The cannibals didn't actually seem to be a race or even a culture. There were no women present and so I am assuming they were some kind of cult. They looked a bit like the Lord of the Flies so maybe they were a band that got lost and started to be cannibals out of necessity and liked it. Cannibalism. I believe was fairly rare and usually ritualistic. I don't think there was ever any culture that ate their fellow human beings for sustenance. So I don't think this was genocide and frankly I think Xena did everyone a favor by eliminating these boys. I did think this was just a bit of cheat when it came to the issue of Gabrielle's guilt issues and her lost of nerve. The episode put her in such dire straits that she would have had to be a complete neurotic not to have killed to save herself. There was no ambiguity here. Her judgment wasn't really tested at all. Her hesitation in the scene where she is wounded is so foolish that even Gabrielle knows she screwed up badly. So as a resolution of Gabrielle's angst it was week but resolve it we did. After this Gabrielle doesn't seem to question leaping into battle again. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 22:00:25 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] latest UK xenafest totals In a message dated 2/2/2003 11:11:46 AM Central Standard Time, xjv05@dial.pipex.com writes: > We were supporting LOROS, a Leicestershire charity for people who are > terminally ill, including a hospice and community care services. It costs > #7.60 a minute for the charity to run its services, so I worked out that we > have paid for almost 5 and a half hours of their time. That is someting to > be proud of. > Congratulations! I'm in the U.S., but you make me feel proud too. Xenafans are awesome! - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 22:25:59 -0500 From: Lee Daley Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Random bits and pieces At 07:50 PM 1/31/03 -0500, you wrote: >1. Has anyone seen the promos for the movies Daredevil with Jennefer Garner >fighting with the sais while dressed in black leather. I never saw sais in my >life until Gabby used them now they have popped up in The Mummy Returns and >now Daredevil. Do you think someone might have been watcing Xena? Well, Raphael the Red Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle used Sai well before the Gabster. LeeD Warrior Jester ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:32:45 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> In a message dated 2/2/2003 5:48:21 PM Central Standard Time, cande@sunlink.net writes: * * * * * * * (Spoilers for "The Way") > I did think this was just a bit of cheat when it came to the issue of > Gabrielle's guilt issues and her lost of nerve. The episode put her in > such > dire straits that she would have had to be a complete neurotic not to have > killed to save herself. There was no ambiguity here. Her judgment wasn't > really tested at all. You know, this reminds me of "The Way," where Xena initially hesitates in killing Indrajit's beetle-guard and later expresses doubt about being a warrior. I happened to rewatch it today and noticed that Xena lost her early inhibitions (and was nearly killed) when she turned and noticed Gabs about to be attacked. She ends up regaining confidence in her warrior way because she's desperate to save Gabs -- even to the extent of praying to an unknown god. Similarly, Gabs didn't kill to save herself in Abyss. She overcomes her inhibitions because she knows Xena is dead meat if the rope's not cut, just as she killed Kora because he seemed to be attacking Xena. I can think of so many situations where each of them doesn't hesitate to kill when the other's life is at stake. It's like a built-in non-ambiguity where few fans question the need to do whatever it takes. (The only other "tests" I can think of for Gabrielle were with Callisto and Meridian. In the former case, Gabrielle wasn't defending anyone, so she dropped her sword. In the latter case, she was defending Krafstar in a set-up situation.) Is that a cop-out by TPTB, in terms of "tests" of X or G's judgment in those situations? Is it their way of saying that killing is only right in "dire" situations where X&G are been attacked or defending someone, especially one another? - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 23:56:42 -0500 From: mirrordrum Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> . (The only other "tests" I > can think of for Gabrielle were with Callisto and Meridian. In the former > case, Gabrielle wasn't defending anyone, so she dropped her sword. In the > latter case, she was defending Krafstar in a set-up situation.) to me, one of gab's greatest tests was with eli in . she respects eli's way despite what xena tells her to do and despite what she wants. not, goodness knows, that she could have stopped ares had she tried, but normally she would have tried. she knows she's not xena but she gives it a shot. i thought her decision not to try to defend eli was right and proper. and i thought it quite a test for eli to put her in that position. i don't believe one has a right to make other people's moral decisions for them *except* in the case of children who are too young to make informed choices. that may be too simplistic. i haven't thought deeply about times when i might find an exception. certainly i didn't here. i also thought throwing the spear in was a test as was her decision in . in the one, she choked and in the other she was the dea (?) ex machina. am i using that correctly? well, anyway, whatsisname died b/c she didn't act. which makes her guilty of his death, imo. and it was a decision i think she had the right to make. i strongly disagreed with tptb at the end of trying to take away from gab the right to make that decision by having xena get all protective and apologetic. i don't think xena would do that. i think she might look aggrieved as she did in and be sad, but she certainly had every right to expect gabrielle to struggle with her own moral choices. that's what equality in relationships is about. you don't carry other people's moral responsibility because you respect them enough to let them do it for themselves. i understand in terms of plot, i suppose, why they did it that way but i didn't like it. i didn't think it was in character for xena at all. she certainly does go out of her way to look out for gab--almost in a maternal way, as kt is forever asserting (wink). that's a common enough response--to try to keep ones we love from suffering if we can. but still. . . and Is that a > cop-out by TPTB, in terms of "tests" of X or G's judgment in those > situations? Is it their way of saying that killing is only right in "dire" > situations where X&G are been attacked or defending someone, especially one > another? why would that be a cop-out? i don't follow and i'd like to. . md--hoping this post makes at least an iota of sense ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:05:14 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: [chakram-refugees] DVDs, etc. ;) I know some of you have had some trouble with Davis-Panzer in the past (including me ;( ), but I just received my S1 DVDs from them and they not only delivered quickly and accurately, and the product was good, but there was a bonus included (Death in Chains CD-ROM), and they were nice enough to allow me to use a certificate they issued after 9-11 that expired last year! ;=) I was very impressed by their packaging of the DVDs (4 eps on 6 discs, with nice photos on the box and a menu screen that has action sequences from the show over the theme music), and there's a screensaver CD-ROM along with bios, etc., to boot (haven't even had a chance to look at that)! Also, in the catalog they enclosed, they are developing more XWP products, such as travel backpacks, wallets, jewelery, new swords, etc., and they even have the new bobbleheads! ;) (There are some inaccuracies in the catalog, such as ascribing the Gauntlet to Draco, and calling it "_Gabrielle's_ Katana", but oh, well. ;( ) If you can put up with their sometimes confused operators, I think it's a good deal. ;) Just FYI, ;) - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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