From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #30 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Thursday, January 30 2003 Volume 03 : Number 030 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] ["H.J.J. Hewitt" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: HOD [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] ["Cheryl Ande" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:39:29 -0600 From: "H.J.J. Hewitt" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] We keep talking about 'Bedouins', but for hair-splitters that may be yet another historical error. You guys who know your ancient history check me out on this, but I think this would predate the Arabic expansion and they'd be Berbers... esp. with the women being more than merely animals suitable for little more than breeding. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 06:21:10 +0000 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: HOD On Tuesday 28 January 2003 23:21, Cheryl Ande wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cr" > > " As to why *Eli* should have taken it off Xena in The God You Know, thus > saving Michael, but facing Xena with an impossible job in defeating > Caligula, > I don't know. " > > It is possible after having seen Xena fight all manner of demons in India > that Eli was confident that she didn't need her slaying powers to get rid > of Caligula, which of course she didn't > > " CherylA Well, actually, she only managed to defeat Caligula by tricking him into doing it himself. That's really, really high-risk stuff. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 06:31:38 +0000 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] On Tuesday 28 January 2003 23:40, Cheryl Ande wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cr" > > "So, how many people will have to die for Gabby's 'honour' as you put it? > (I would have said 'conscience' but I think we mean the same thing). > > > And if the Roman had blood on his spear - whose blood was it? Was he > > really innocent?" > > He certainly was innocent of Korah death. To say that because we suspect > him of some other crime that we can with a clear conscious frame for a > crime which some else committed, however inconvenient, is wrong. In the US > there has been incidents of just this exact thing. Police framing someone > for a crime that they didn't commit and then excusing it with the excuse > "well he probably did something worse we didn't catch him for so its OK." > It's not right and it is certainly not something I thing Xena would stood > for since she was fighting against it when Gabby spoke up. I quite agree with you in principle, and particularly in peacetime. The same rules do not necessarily apply to soldiers in wartime. They possibly should, but in practice don't always. Just suppose they'd caught the Roman with blood on his spear (and Korah hadn't been dead) - very possibly they would have killed him as one of the enemy anyway. Actually, and not that I like 'Romans', I was rather shocked that Varia had the captured Roman soldiers massacred in Path of Vengeance. > I don't believe Gabrielle was obligated to go along with Xena's cover-up. > Perhaps it would have made life easier for Xena if Gabby had maintained the > lie but lies have a tendency to come back bite you on the ass. Ask Nixon > or Clinton and then the fall out is worse. Well, I'd like to agree, but regretfully I don't think things always work that way. We all know examples of lies that *didn't* work, but I suspect there are just as many examples of lies that did work and were, consequently, never publicised as such. > It was Xena's lie, not > Gabrielle's killing of Korah, that made Kahina reject Xena's help. I just > think everything would have worked out better if the truth was told in the > first place, they certainly couldn't have been worse. The truth would have > at least shown that Xena and Gabrielle were honorable people and perhaps > that would have had some calming effect on Tazere. Who knows perhaps in > the Bedouin code of conduct there was a provision for accidental death > (perhaps Gabby only would lost an eye, she'd look rather dashing with an > eye-patch). Yeah, I can just see Xena permitting that ;) > " I liked that dialogue. Kahina knew there was something fishy going on > and > > > both Gabby and Xena told her to shut up and get on with it. > > > > Kah: "We don't have enough people, even with the surprise." > > G: "You have Xena. What more do you want?" > > Kah(to Xena): "Funny how the Romans showed up just in time to save your > > friend-- almost like it was planned." > > X: "You got the fight you wanted. Stop complaining." (I always wanted > > the line to be : "you got the fight you wanted. Quit your bitchin'") > > "You claim Gabby was right to volunteer for execution. But didn't she > *know* Xena would save her anyway (or certainly try to). Did she have > the right to put Xena through that (all over again)? At least this time > Xena didn't get herself half-killed in the process." > > Well Xena looked bored any way. Gabby just liven things up for her. Why > do you think Xena keeps her around? Saving Gabby keeps her skills up. > > CherylA Now that *really* is a rationalisation ;-) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:41:12 -0500 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] - ----- Original Message ----- From: "cr" > > > > Well Xena looked bored any way. Gabby just liven things up for her. Why do you think Xena keeps her around? Saving Gabby keeps her skills up. > > > > CherylA > " Now that *really* is a rationalisation ;-)" Yeah it is and I was being funny but I think there is actually a logical reason that Gabby is getting into trouble so much in the 6th season. The cast of Xena has really been pared down and we are concentarating on Xena and Gabrielle. There has to be some one to get into trouble, to act as a catalyst and because Xena is the hero, it can't be her. There's no Joxer to get beat up or find a village in trouble and franly Eve is too boring to find much trouble herself so we have Gabrielle. She is a great character because she is afflicted will all kinds of moral delimnas and inner conflicts. She is the one who creates the drama nad the conflisct Xena must resolve. Let's face it Xena has to have someone she really cares about to rescue or she would eventually just get fed up and walk away. She cares about Gabrielle so she will always ride to the rescue. > CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V3 #30 *************************************