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chakram-refugees-digest    Monday, December 9 2002    Volume 02 : Number 333



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: [chakram-refugees] Top Ten List                        [IfeRae@aol.com]
  [chakram-refugees] XWP come to Japan finally Wow YI-YI-YI!  ["Katsunori Sh]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] XWP come to Japan finally Wow YI-YI-YI!  [cr <cr@or]
  [chakram-refugees] The Comedies and Ubers  [Sojourner <sojourner@paradise.]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Top Tens Revisited 2002-style  [Sojourner <sojo]
  [chakram-refugees] Who's Gurkhan?   [Sojourner <sojourner@paradise.net.nz>]
  [chakram-refugees] <<Looking Death In The Eye>>  ["Cheryl Ande" <cande@sun]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] XWP come to Japan finally Wow YI-YI-YI!  [IfeRae@ao]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] Who's Gurkhan?                      [IfeRae@aol.com]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] The Comedies and Ubers              [IfeRae@aol.com]
  [chakram-refugees] Re: Top Tens Revisited 2002-style  ["Jackie M. Young" <]

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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 02:51:03 EST
From: IfeRae@aol.com
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Top Ten List

Lordy, it was hard eliminating eps.  I thought some were excellent for one 
reason, but that others were equally excellent for other reasons.  Some were 
standalone gems, while others were critical to the series.  I did settle on a 
few key criteria (which, interestingly, did not include plot): 
 
*Drama/emotional pull
*Acting
*Ambition (e.g., visuals, overall complexity)
*Essence of why I watched XWP (e.g., "heart," philosophical issues, fun, 
Xena's quest)

In the end, I imagined the horror of losing all but a couple handfuls of eps 
and asked myself which ones I'd most want to keep for myself and to show 
someone else a representative sampling of why I loved the show so much.  I 
lumped comedies and ubers in with the rest.  Here's what I came up with, 
along with acceptable alternatives:

1.  The Debt I&2 (S3)
2.  Sins of the Past (S1)
3.  Ides of March (S4)
4.  Adventures in the Sin Trade 1&2 (S4)
5.  Been There, Done That (S3) 
6.  A Day in the Life (S2)
7.  The Price (S2) or Crusader (S4)
8.  A Friend in Need 1&2 (S6) 
9.  Between The Lines or The Way (S4)
10. Callisto (S1)


I hated leaving out any of the season 3 "rift" eps, because I think they had 
some of the best acting and dramatic tension.  I thought season 4 was 
strongest overall, though not all the eps touched me quite like some of the 
simpler earlier eps.  The Ring trilogy was certainly ambitious and for the 
most part rivetting.  I'd liked to have included Bitter Suite or Lyre, 
because of the singing.  I could watch Fins and some of the other comedies 
over and over again. Even though I didn't pick anything from season 5, I 
strongly considered Fallen Angel, Chakram, Looking Death in the Eye, and 
Motherhood.  As for season 6, I also thought about Heart of Darkness and You 
Are There.  Still, if I had to survive on any eps, they'd be the ones on my 
list.

- -- Ife 
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Date: Sun,  8 Dec 2002 03:19:42 -0500 (EST)
From: "Katsunori Shimada" <katsunori@excite.com>
Subject: [chakram-refugees] XWP come to Japan finally Wow YI-YI-YI!

Hi 
FIN DVD and VHS released in Japan as well as available for rental! But only FIN (sigh)
Here in Japan, Xwp has never been aired on TV even in video or DVD format except HTLJ "The Xena Trilogy" video.

Here is detail
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Japanese title: "Jeena" (in katakana)

Available format, catalog number and price (in yen)
DVD: (English/Japanese-dubbed/Japanese subtitle/
     closed Capture in Japanese) PIBF-1467, 4,700yen

VHS: (with Japanese subtitle): PIVS-1807, 16,000yen

VHS: (Japanese-dubbed): PIVS-1808, 16,000yen

Distributor: Pioneer LDC,inc
         http://www.pldc.co.jp (in Japanese)
Released date: Nov.2 2002

Also rental DVD & VHS are available at Tsutaya (nation wide DVD, Video, CD rental shop)
http://www.tsutaya.co.jp/item/movie/ve_ks00000001.zhtml?pdid=10025495&srkbn=R

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
It's so strange to hear "Jeena" for Xena to me make me laugh. I know, no one will pronounce it if they put "Xena"
But there could be some other way such as put zuena (in katakana) or something else. There is a catchphrase on the cover
"Spiderman director Sam Raimi who produced exclusively" No Executive Producer Rob Tapert name with it!

Well, no one else Japanese people know in this series so that was only way to go? Name of Sam Raimi is now well known here after Spiderman but me, as fan of Xwp want to put Rob Tapert and Lucy Lawless at front.

See the these package pics
DVD
http://www.tsutaya.co.jp/SAVE/108/M00471/33/PIBF1467_l.jpg

VHS (with Japanese subtitle)
http://www.stingray-jp.com/~digital/img_file/s/PIVS-1807_S.JPG

VHS (Japanese-dubbed) 
http://www.stingray-jp.com/~digital/img_file/s/PIVS-1808_S.JPG

Also found 
Japanese version of "The Xena Trilogy" 

Original title:Hercules: The Legendary Journeys: The Xena Trilogy
Japanese title:Herakuresu Yusha Herakuresu VS Onnasenshi Jeena
(Originally in kanji & katakana. I put pronunciation here)

Yusha = Brave man
Onnasenshi = Woman warrior

Format: VHS Japanese subtitle
Released date: Apl.23 1999
Distributor: Paramount Home Entertainment (Japan) Limited (former CIC Victor)
Price: 10,667yen

See the pic of cover
http://www.so-net.ne.jp/SF-Online/no30_19990823/review_movie.html#5

Also 5 other HTLJ Telemovies are released here included "Hercules and the Amazon Women".

Japanese title: Herakuresu Makyo No Onnasenshi

"Hercules and the Lost Kingdom" was on aired on TV once in Japan.


I want to hear how Japanese voice actor handled YI-YI-YI-YI battle cry!

Just info from Japan
Katsunori
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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:39:09 +1300
From: cr <cr@orcon.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] XWP come to Japan finally Wow YI-YI-YI!

On Sunday 08 December 2002 21:19, Katsunori Shimada wrote:
> Hi


> It's so strange to hear "Jeena" for Xena to me make me laugh. I know, no
> one will pronounce it if they put "Xena" But there could be some other way
> such as put zuena (in katakana) or something else. There is a catchphrase
> on the cover "Spiderman director Sam Raimi who produced exclusively" No
> Executive Producer Rob Tapert name with it!
>
> Well, no one else Japanese people know in this series so that was only way
> to go? Name of Sam Raimi is now well known here after Spiderman but me, as
> fan of Xwp want to put Rob Tapert and Lucy Lawless at front.

Well, it's quite untrue that Sam Raimi produced Xena....   Sam has shares in 
Renaissance Pictures, but that's all.   He prefers to concentrate on movies 
and leave all the TV series to Rob Tapert.   Still, as you say, the 
distributors must have figured Sam's name would sell more copies.

What do Japanese audiences think of Friend in Need?   Will it worry them that 
Rob Tapert has got some details wrong?   (I'm sure he must have changed some 
things from Japanese tradition).

Thanks for posting this

cr
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Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 09:38:29 +0000
From: Sojourner <sojourner@paradise.net.nz>
Subject: [chakram-refugees] The Comedies and Ubers

At 19:17 07/12/2002 -0500, Cheryl Ande wrote:


>Comedy:  You Are There, In Sickness and In Hell, and Many Happy Returns

I have just watched ADITL and remembered why I loved it - but YAT was 
astounding - honestly just sat watching it with open-mouthed awe (until the 
swearing scene with Eve) (oh and the dock your longboat with Ares). Like KT 
noted - the bickering between our two gals in ADITL  is utterly delicious 
and echoed in YAT in the "What's your plan?" scene.

But having just rewatched ADITL my gf said - and I heartily agreed - that 
it is one of a small number of episodes where Lucy/Xena is absolutely 
luminous. The other for me was Maternal Instinct. Something about the 
lighting or the weather or the make-up? Or some inner cause? I mean, she's 
gorgeous and striking in most episodes - but luminous? I'm not even sure 
what I mean - but there ya go. Another XWP fan locked into inarticulateness 
by the gaze of the goddess.....



>Uber: Xena Scrolls

I'm glad you picked Xena Scrolls - I really like that ep - particularly the 
Uber-G Janice. Tough short women rock!!! When I was reading the spoilers 
for the ep (weeks before it turned up on NZ tv) I really could not 
understand the whole concept of uber. The reviews and comments made no 
sense whatsoever. And Lucy's entrance as Mel didn't help either. But Renee 
as Janice as the camera panned upped her body (ala Xena in ... um.... gee 
is the Black Wolf??) just made the concept of uber completely clear. And 
launched an entire genre of fan-fic.

Sojourner
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Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 09:44:07 +0000
From: Sojourner <sojourner@paradise.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Top Tens Revisited 2002-style

At 16:28 07/12/2002 -0900, KTL wrote:
>Hmm. On this uber thing--does undercover work count? Naw. That's
>different.
>
>Okay.  It strikes me that since Clones was the only thing on your Uber
>list that made my preliminary (and actually, semi-final) cut, then that
>must be the Uber that is my favorite. But...that's not quite "right" since
>I wasn't ranking anything as Uber.  Let's see--your uber list:
>
>
> > Uber: Xena Scrolls, Deja Vu All Over Again, Send in the Clones, Soul
> > Possession, When Fates Collide
> > My Pick - When Fates Collide
> >
>
>
>You left out Fishsticks intentionally, yes?--didn't make your cut, I
>would venture to say.

Not an XWP episode.



>Tch. I still have to think this over. Once I know what the criteria for
>judging ubers is.

You figure out the criteria and let us know.....



>ACK! Hey--Femmes and Gems is pretty funny too--how come that didn't make
>my comedy list?  Because we're looking for the BEST, that's right.

Oh come on - Joxer sequence with the animals? and the pink nightie?? 
Ick-a-rooni. However - Gabby launching into her possible titles while lying 
dazed on the ground....



>But you know--the effort required to put six years, over one hundred hours
>of completed story out there is enormous. I would certainly say that
>PacRen on the whole has nothing to be ashamed of in terms of what they
>gave us. (Well...maybe Fishsticks.)

Ayup.

Liz
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Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 09:57:17 +0000
From: Sojourner <sojourner@paradise.net.nz>
Subject: [chakram-refugees] Who's Gurkhan?

At 18:51 08/12/2002 +1300, cr wrote:
>On Sunday 08 December 2002 15:05, KTL wrote:
> > > I somehow don't think you'll ever be getting KT to agree if you've got
> > > Gurkhan or WFC in the list    ;)
> >
> > Actually, I blow hot and cold on Gurkhan.  At first I didn't like it very
> > much, but on second viewing I did. But now as I look at the lists, there's
> > many more in my mind that were much better.
> >
> > I HATE the beating Xena takes in that ep--and the humiliation she has to
> > put up with as she's scamming Gurkhan. Its terrible to see her pain and
> > suffering, the dripping blood from her numerous wounds spattering the
> > floor as she has to stay conscious and flatter Gurkhan into not ordering
> > her killed for "bringing" a knife into his palace.  Blech.
>
>Yeah, it wasn't just the beating, it's the way she grovelled to Gurkhan.   I
>just *cannot* see Xena ever doing that, whatever the circumstances.

It was the MISSION, you doofuses (doofi?) (Sorry, just needed to use the 
word doofi in a sentence). Xena would doing anything (including Mark 
Antony) to complete the MISSION. She has no pride - which I'm guessing a 
successful assassin cannot afford. She sneers at Virgil in the slave 
selling scenes - but only when the slaver can't see her ... well not her 
face anyway.

Is this her strongest asset as a warrior? Being flawless as a character is 
usually death in dramatic fiction - maybe that's why Rob designed this 
perfect killing machine - and gave her no perfmornce weaknesses, just a 
huge back-log of guilt to undermine her perfection... oh and the pesky 
blonde kid to get her into trouble....

Sojourner
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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:32:51 -0500
From: "Cheryl Ande" <cande@sunlink.net>
Subject: [chakram-refugees] <<Looking Death In The Eye>>

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This episode has no right to be as good as it is.  It should be just a simple
gimmicky episode to drop Xena and Gabrielle in the deep freeze for 25 years
and to get Eve grown up.  Instead we have a fine action packed adventure and
wonderful performances by LL, KS, Paris Jefferson and astonishingly enough by
Ted Raimi.

The story opens in the future Joxer is an old middle aged man drinking in a
tavern when he hears that a peddle has a scroll for sale.  Not any scroll but
the last scroll of the Bard of Potedia (note to gabscoffers - see she's famous
and well-known as an author).  Joxer spends all his wife's (Meg) money on the
scroll.  In the barn with his children he reads the scroll.

Xena is fed up with being chased by all the gods in Olympus and goes to see
the Fates for a few answers.  The Fates inform her that only after Xena has
tasted the "essence of death" can the twilight begin and Eve be free from the
gods.  Gabrielle is appalled at the prophecy but Xena sees an opportunity.

 As they leave the temple they are once again attacked by Hades and Athena
(obvious this scene was suppose to precede the Fates scene since X & G are
sporting wounds at the Fate's Temple that are received in this battle - Gabby
took a little literary license here).  During the battle Gabrielle shout to
Xena to give her Eve but Xena won't - Athena taunts her with the fact that she
no longer even trusts Gabrielle to protect Eve.  X & G finally fight off the
Hades and Athena by destroying Hades Helm of Invisibility.  This was nice
touch - symbolic of the gods losing their powers as they try to defy fate.

Xena and Gabrielle with Eve are now hiding out with Octavius who is now their
ally.  As Xena treats her and Gabrielle's wounds with a medicine that can kill
both infection and people (probably iodine?) they discuss Athena's accusation
that Xena doesn't trust Gabrielle with Eve.  Xena says it isn't true that Eve
was in just as much danger with her as with Gabby.  The time however has come
to stop running and confront the gods.

Meanwhile back on Olympus Athena wants answers and she wants them from
Celeste, the goddess of death.   Why isn't Xena dead? Celeste will not be
bullied - Xena will not be taken before her time.  As the astonished godly
court watches,  two stronger willed goddess go at.  Athena - your live is just
as much in danger as ours.  Celeste - where's there life there will always be
death.  Athena - so you think you are immune : "death is getting a little
cocky". Celeste is unimpressed with Athena's words.

Meanwhile Xena has decided to go the offensive.  She confronts Hephestus in
his forge (Hephestus is played by the Young Hercules Hephestus and not  the
old Hercules Hephestus for some unknown reason).  As she watched Heph at his
anvil she asks if he is the "god of arts and crafts what are his hobbies".
"Trying to kill you so I can kill your daughter" he answers.  Xena is not
pleased and snarls back: "no that's a perversion".  The two begin to fight - a
fight Xena is losing so badly that Celeste appears in order to collect Xena's
soul.  Just as Heph is about to strike the killing blow Gabrielle whips Heph's
hammer out of his hand and beings to fight him.  Xena scrambles out of the way
and using the chains of Hephestus she captures Death.  She and Gabrielle
defeat Hephestus and make their escape with the help of Octavius.

On Olympus Athena and Ares are having a very unfriendly chat.  Athena is
recounting Ares short-comings.  He killed Eli who was loved by the people this
resulted in a revolt against the god - a revolt that Xena used to her
advantaged in Amphipolis.  With each accusation Athena advances on Ares
lounging on her throne.  Finally she come nose to nose with him violating his
very personal space and snarls at him - a revolt in in which Ares took Xena's
side.  Ares is in a very vulnerable position but luckily Hades interrupts with
the bad news - his sister has been captured by Xena.

Xena, Gabrielle, and Eve with the captive Celeste have made camp for the
night.  Celeste chained cannot hold her candle and when the candle goes out
Death will die.  Celeste asks Xena why she has done this - doesn't she know
that the world will suffer without her.  Xena has rescued her before why has
she turned on her.  Xena now bitterly denounces Death - death doesn't end
suffering only cause more suffering.  She is at the beck and call of every
murderer and warlord. Solon was taken because someone decided it was his time
and his suffering continued after his death.  Marcus and her beloved brother
Lycius - the first to accept her and love her unconditionally - were taken
before their time.  Standing next to Gabrielle and holding Eve she says she
won't lose any more family.  Gabrielle however tells Xena that Celeste as an
immortal can't understand grief.  Celeste says he does understand she too has
a beloved brother and she weeps.  Xena gently wipes Celeste tears.  Celeste
says that even if she is dead it won't stop the gods - Gabrielle agrees they
will only make the innocent suffer.  Innocent suffer - the two women realize
they have forgotten someone.

At a tavern Joxer is partaking of a particularly good ale when Gabrielle
arrives.  She tries to get Joxer to go with her but who should arrive but
Hades and Athenia with her archers.  Hades attacks Gabrielle but Athena
reminds him that she is no good to them dead - they need her to get Celeste
back.  Joxer however rises to Gabrielle defense unfortunately calling Athena
"goldy pants" sets Athena off and Joxer is nearly throttled.  In order to save
Joxer Gabrielle reveals Xena's whereabouts.

That morning at Xena's camp Celeste is visibly weakening.  Xena is about to
leave when Athena shows up with Gabrielle and she is traded for Celeste.  Ares
suddenly shows up sitting on the wagon - he tells Xena,Gabrielle and Eve to
climb aboard and the chase is on.  Xena soon dumps Ares telling him that she
doesn't want his help.

On a cliff near the sea Xena with Gabrielle writing furiously on her scroll
are being bombarded by Athena, Hades, and Hephestas.  The two women fight off
Athena's warriors but are no match for the three gods.  Their combined power
finally hurls the wagon with Xena, Gabrielle, and Eve off the cliff.

Xena awakens on the beach.  The wagon with Eve in it is in flames, and
Gabrielle lies dead in the sand next to her.  As Xena screams out her rage and
defiance she prepares to fall on her sword but is stopped by Ares.  Ares asks
her not to do this but Xena says it's a package deal and taking out a vial
that looks like the one that had the medicine in it drinks  and dies.  Athena
with a satisfied smirk on her face is convinced she has won.

The only human witness to these events is Joxer.  As he watches in numbed
disbelief, he witnesses Ares take Gabrielle and the Xena off somewhere.
Octavius arrives and Joxer telles him the bad news that Xena, Eve, and
Gabrielle are dead.  No says Octavius they aren't dead - he has Eve she was
switched that night at Xena's camp that night.  All that has happened has been
a elaborate trick.   Xena captured Celeste not to kill her but just so she
could get her tears.  Remember the Fates said that Xena must taste the essence
of death so if she and Gabrielle drank Celeste tears (yuck) they would appear
dead but would not actually die.  Gabrielle was captured on purpose so that
Celeste could be freed and so that Athena would chase the three.  Xena figured
Athena would be certain that Xena would never be separated from Eve so she
would be convinced that the baby  was in the wagon when it went off the cliff.
In the frantic moments before the wagon was thrown off the cliff Gabrielle
drank the tears and was cradled by Xena as they feel to the sea below.  Then
Xena drank the tears.  The gods would think them dead and they could live
without fear.  Joxer says all went according to plan except that Ares has
taken their bodies.

In an ice cave Ares gently lays Xena to rest in an ice coffin next to
Gabrielle.  Ares now admits that he has handled her all wrong and that
Gabrielle had the true key to her soul - unselfish and undemanding love.
However he still had a piece of her soul.  Yes when she was self-sacrificing
she did belong to Gabrielle but when she "kicked ass" she was his.  With a
kiss farewell he bids farewell to Xena and leaves her to rest for eternity
with her soulmate - or so he thinks.

Great episode.  Theresa Healey played Celeste with compassion, dignity and
with a bit of mystery.  This is the goddess who truly empathizes with mankind
and in the end when she is let go by Xena you are left wondering just how much
she has guessed about Xena's real plans.  Paris Jefferson's Athena is no
longer masquerading as the compassionate god she is now as ruthless and
arrogant as her father Zeus.  Kevin Smith is just wonderful in his farewell
scene to Xena - the god is now a man who can see his errors and how he failed
to win the woman he loved.  Lucy was great in her confrontation with Death -
although part of a ploy she brought out the truth behind Xena's words - the
anger that Xena surly has at seeing so many unjust deaths.  Ted Raimi's old
Joxer is just a wonderful creation - a man who has a family and beloved
children but is still grieving for his friends.  One note to cr see Gabrielle
follows orders very well, saves Xena in the neck of time, and is a famous bard
- - what more could we want in an episode.


Oh there are a few YAXIs here.  In Death In Chains wasn't it a rule that no
one can touch Death yet in this episode both Xena and Gabrielle touch Celeste
- - the rule apparently changed now just her hands are lethal.  Also if Xena's
plan had succeeded wouldn't Celeste know Xena wasn't dead (I"I'm note sure
about Gabrielle because she is an Amazon and not subject to Hades). At the end
Xena was going to fall on her sword how was she going to drink poison instead
if Ares hadn't shown up to stop her.

Next up Xena and Gabrielle defrost and Livia demonstrates why the birth
control pill is so popular.

CherylA
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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:41:49 EST
From: IfeRae@aol.com
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] XWP come to Japan finally Wow YI-YI-YI!

In a message dated 12/8/2002 3:01:35 AM Central Standard Time, 
cr@orcon.net.nz writes:

> 
>  What do Japanese audiences think of Friend in Need?   Will it worry them 
> that 
>  Rob Tapert has got some details wrong?   (I'm sure he must have changed 
some 
> 
>  things from Japanese tradition).


Yes, I was curious about that too -- especially that big explosion.  I've 
read that the Japanese are used to big "fireworks" in their action films, 
that they wouldn't be offended by the similarity of the mushroom cloud in 
Friend In Need with the bombs dropped there in World War II.  But from what 
Katsunori Shimada posted, it seems only a few Xena fans will see the finale 
anyway.  Ironic, considering the importance "Japa" played.

- -- Ife
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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:42:04 EST
From: IfeRae@aol.com
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Who's Gurkhan?

In a message dated 12/8/2002 3:57:50 AM Central Standard Time, 
sojourner@paradise.net.nz writes:

> >Yeah, it wasn't just the beating, it's the way she grovelled to Gurkhan.   
> I
>  >just *cannot* see Xena ever doing that, whatever the circumstances.
>  
>  It was the MISSION, you doofuses (doofi?) (Sorry, just needed to use the 
>  word doofi in a sentence). Xena would doing anything (including Mark 
>  Antony) to complete the MISSION. She has no pride - which I'm guessing a 
>  successful assassin cannot afford. She sneers at Virgil in the slave 
>  selling scenes - but only when the slaver can't see her ... well not her 
>  face anyway.
>  

I gotta agree with you (except for the doofi part <g>).  This is the woman 
who pranced around as Autolycus' concubine "Cherish" and never hesitated to 
use her body as a weapon of seduction.  It took me awhile to realize that I 
had more concern about Xena's pride and reputation than Xenastaff did.  I 
often flinched at Lucy's "unXenalike" expressions and mannerisms, or at some 
of the unseemly situations they put Xena in.  But the character, as you say, 
was who she was because of her focus on her "mission" and willingness to do 
whatever it took, in circumstances anybody else would avoid.  Whatever pride 
she had was in succeeding, in doing that as honorably as she could -- without 
worrying about how silly, stupid, servile, unattractive, incompetent, 
impolite, or "cold" she seemed.

- -- Ife
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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:42:01 EST
From: IfeRae@aol.com
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] The Comedies and Ubers

In a message dated 12/8/2002 3:39:45 AM Central Standard Time, 
sojourner@paradise.net.nz writes:

> But having just rewatched ADITL my gf said - and I heartily agreed - that 
>  it is one of a small number of episodes where Lucy/Xena is absolutely 
>  luminous. The other for me was Maternal Instinct. Something about the 
>  lighting or the weather or the make-up? Or some inner cause? I mean, she's 
>  gorgeous and striking in most episodes - but luminous? I'm not even sure 
>  what I mean - but there ya go. Another XWP fan locked into 
inarticulateness 
>  by the gaze of the goddess.....>>

LOL!  I know what she means.  I've always thought the acting by nearly 
everyone in MI was particularly good. Despite the Dahok crap, I was 
mesmerized by the interaction between X&G during this unexpected, ambiguous 
challenge to their relationship.  But more than that, I thought Lucy hit her 
stride in season three -- physically, mentally, emotionally, professionally.  
But it looks like the staff also figured out what to do with her hair, 
make-up and the lighting, to help give her that "luminous" look.  I see it in 
Deliverer and Gabrielle's Hope, as well.

>  
>  
>  
>  >Uber: Xena Scrolls
>  
>  I'm glad you picked Xena Scrolls - I really like that ep - particularly 
the 
>  Uber-G Janice. Tough short women rock!!! When I was reading the spoilers 
>  for the ep (weeks before it turned up on NZ tv) I really could not 
>  understand the whole concept of uber. The reviews and comments made no 
>  sense whatsoever. And Lucy's entrance as Mel didn't help either. But Renee 
>  as Janice as the camera panned upped her body (ala Xena in ... um.... gee 
>  is the Black Wolf??) just made the concept of uber completely clear. And 
>  launched an entire genre of fan-fic.>>

It took me awhile to like Xena Scrolls.  Now, I love the way they took a 
chance with their hero, by making the kick-butt Xena's descendent Mel into a 
southern belle and focusing attention on Janice.  Mind you, this was after I 
started taking Gabrielle more seriously, especially during season 3.  It 
would be on my top 10 for its freshness alone, but it's not one of the eps 
I'd die if I couldn't see again.  

- -- Ife
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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:25:33 -1000 (HST)
From: "Jackie M. Young" <jyoung@lava.net>
Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: Top Tens Revisited 2002-style

On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:29:07 -0900 (AKST), KTL <fsktl@aurora.uaf.edu>
wrote:

>Even after I explained that it is against Alaska State Law for a resident
>of the state to admit that anyplace in the world might be prettier than
>Alaska--they take away your residency if they find out that you've done

- --*No comment*, since the tourism destination *facts* show Hawai'i has you
guys beat.....;P LOL



On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:24:07 -0600, "H.J.J. Hewitt" <hjjh@mail.utexas.edu>
wrote:

>Tho it would be agonizing to try to figure out my top ten precisely, I
>can say for sure that at the top is--
>WARRIOR... PRINCESS
>then, closely jostling each other for 2nd place are--
>HOOVES & HARLOTS

- --Hi TEXena, a woman after my own heart! ;=)

My own list was done in the "heat of the moment", when the show was
running. ;)  There were less than 10 that I saved on a "library tape",
though I have stray copies of many others that I liked a lot....

In no particular order, also, though I'd say the first 3 are pretty much
my faves:

	1. **Reckoning**--the ep that got me hooked and my all-time fave
	2. Warrior...Princess (my 2nd all-time fave due to the humor and
		characterizations)
	3. Beware Greeks (loved the betrayal/chauvinist plots)
	4. Warrior...Princess...Tramp (only because LL played 3 roles)
	5. The Quest (loved the humor and characterizations)
	6. Gabrielle's Hope (mostly because of the Arthurian mentions)
	7. Purity (loved the dual roles of Matiko and the Taoist
		references)
	8. Animal Attraction (*funnee*)
	9. Amphipolis Under Siege (for the Ares make-out scene)


Xena Scrolls and ADITL are not on the "library" collection, but close
seconds.



>The above choices obviously reflect my preference for early eps where
>X:WP was an adventure series rather than a soap opera.  This is further
>demonstrated by my collection which has been culled to end up with--
>22 eps from season 1
>16 from 2
>
>Ah-h-h, for the Good Ol' Days...

- --Yup, couldn't agree more. ;=)  Gimme action/adventure with a moral and
I'm a happy camper. ;=)


Just MO, ;)
- --Jackie

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