From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #332 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Sunday, December 8 2002 Volume 02 : Number 332 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] O.T.: N.Z. on the TRAVEL channel ["H.J.J. Hewitt" ] [chakram-refugees] Re: Top Tens Revisited 2002-style [KTL > ["Lee Daley" Subject: [chakram-refugees] O.T.: N.Z. on the TRAVEL channel For the devotees of NewXenaland-- Sunday, 15th, 8:00 & 11 PM CST on the TRAVEL Channel "New Zealand: The Royal Tour" 60 min. Peter Greenberg travels through New Zealand with Prime Minister Helen Clark as his guide. Some fantastic views of the countryside (which doubles for Middle-earth in the "Lord of the Rings" films) are featured as the feisty Clark puts Greenberg through some extreme sightseeing. The tour begins on the South Island with a 60-mph jet-boat ride along a boulder-strewn river. Greenberg and Clark then traverse the Southern Alps, ascending a 9000-foot mountain and spelunking into a Waitomo Caves sinkhole that is 350 feet deep. Greenberg also faces off with a Maori tribesman---who makes some rather frightening faces. Sunday, 15th, 9:00 & 12 PM CST on the TRAVEL Channel "Secrets of New Zealand" 60 min. An examination of scenic natural wonders includes volcanoes and beaches. Also: unpredictable weather. (N.B.: times are \Central/) TEXena, its biggest, longest devotee P.S.: And the weather is INDEED unpredictable! I could look out the window of my room in the hostel and see bright sunshine, walk a fair ways to the main door, and find it was raining. Or, vice versa! ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:17:35 -0500 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Top Ten List > Here's my first cut - what do you think? > > > 1 The Debt (2 parts) > 2 The Bitter Suite > 3 Who's Gurkhan > 4 Adventures in the Sin Trade (2 parts) > 5 The Ring (3 parts) > 6 Friend in Need (2 parts) > 7 Fallen Angel > 8 A Day in the Life > 9 You Are There > 10 Return of Callisto Good list. Here's mine. Not necessarily in any particular order (all 2 parters as one episode unless noted as otherwise). 1. The Debt 2. The Price 3. Is There A Doctor In The House 4. The Greater Good 5. Whose Gurkhan? 6. When Fates Collide 7. A Day In The Life 8. Sin Trade 9. One Against An Army 10. Friend In Need As you said those who were very good but didn't make the top ten simply because its a top list: A Good Day, Antony & Cleopatra, Maternal Instincts, Family Affair (I like that better each time I see it), Callisto, Sacrifice, The Abyss. Comedy: You Are There, In Sickness and In Hell, and Many Happy Returns Uber: Xena Scrolls CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:29:07 -0900 (AKST) From: KTL Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: Top Tens Revisited 2002-style On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Sojourner wrote: > dropped off Warrior Rabbit in Sandy Eggo (KT's favourite way of spelling > San Diego, she's sooooo droll) And if anyone can find me the bumper sticker from which I got this spelling--the one that says "I (heart) Sandy Eggo", I will be eternally grateful and will send you the drink of your choice through the US mail service. > > We turned to the time-honoured way of killing time amongst Xenites Instead of killing each other as we might well have done sitting in that damn LA heat, sucking in fumes and aggravation in equal amounts. (Actually, we were surprisingly in accord that time--but then on eps we usually are...but only on eps.) snip > > It was an interesting situation - 2 strong-willed friends who know every > nuance of every episode and who had agreed on only two things in the course > of a 4 year friendship (NZ is very beautiful, and almost as pretty as Alaska). > GODS! I cannot believe you FINALLY admit that publicly! YES! KT does happy dance, finally being vindicated for having said while gazing at the steppes of "Chin" in New Zealand a few years ago, "By the gods, this place is ALMOST as pretty as Alaska!" Liz immediately reported my infraction to the Xena world at large and I was tormented and teased mercilessly for many months by various fans. Even after I explained that it is against Alaska State Law for a resident of the state to admit that anyplace in the world might be prettier than Alaska--they take away your residency if they find out that you've done that. And then you lose that money they pay us every year to live her--I got a monetary stake in this, ya know. Okay--I got out my episode list (thanks Logomancy!) and winnowed my list down to 35 primo eps. (This was mixing all the categories together.) But of these, eleven will NOT make the final best 10 list just because there are too many other fine ones that I think are better. Of these 35, season one had no contenders. Season two had 6, (1 serious finalist, 1 serious runner up, 1 comedy finalist, 3 comedy runner-ups). Season 3 had 7, (3 serious finalists, 2 serious runner-ups, 2 comedy finalists). Season 4 had 8, (4 serious finalists, 3 serious runner-ups, 1 comedy finalist). Season 5 had 6, (4 serious finalists, 1 serious runner-up, 1 comedy finalist.) Season 6 had 7, (3 serious finalists, 1 serious runner-up, 4 comedy finalists.) And I made another category--for the ep that sucked you in. For me that was Miss Amphipolis, one of the comedy runner-ups. I'd had the show running in the background as I did homework on Monday mornings at 1 a.m. And I half heard/saw about 6 eps before Ms. Amphipolis (specifically, Salmoneous saying, "We are here to crown 'Miss Known World'") totally cracked me up and made me watch the show (and skip my homework). And after that I was totally enthralled with the show, AKA LOST! So while Ms. Amphip is neither the best nor funniest one to me, it looms large in my Xenaverse consciousness, so it makes the cut on that score alone. > > Here's my first cut - what do you think? > > > 1 The Debt (2 parts) > 2 The Bitter Suite > 3 Who's Gurkhan > 4 Adventures in the Sin Trade (2 parts) > 5 The Ring (3 parts) > 6 Friend in Need (2 parts) > 7 Fallen Angel > 8 A Day in the Life > 9 You Are There > 10 Return of Callisto I still have 24 top ten contenders and I'm still struggling to winnow them down. BUT I know that my final list will include The Debt, Bitter Suite, Adventures in the Sin Trade and FIN, as does yours. Also from your list, the Ring, Return of Callisto and You Are There are finalists for my list. A Day in the Life is a runner up for me--it's totally charming but it didn't make the semi-final cut due to about 8 others being much more laugh out loud funny to me. (Though I feel that Xena's hubba-hubba post hair-washing scene is certainly in the running for moments close to my heart from this series.) Tch. Oh, but the bickering in ADITL is just so much fun tooo...*sigh* > > > Comedy: > Contenders - Many Happy Returns, You Are There, Old Ares Had a Farm, Lyre > Lyre, A Tale of Two Muses, The Quill is Mightier, A Day in the Life, Been > There Done That > My Pick - A Day in the Life > The Quill didn't make any cut, (excellent performances by Kevin, Alex and Alison Wall) but too Lucy lite for my top ten list. My comedy list had all the others of the above, but also included A Comedy of Eros, Miss Amphip, Girls Just Wanna Have Fun, Warrior...Priestess...Tramp and Send in the Clones. > Uber: Xena Scrolls, Deja Vu All Over Again, Send in the Clones, Soul > Possession, When Fates Collide > My Pick - When Fates Collide > Hmmm. No Xena Scrolls on my lists ---DeJa VU? Oh puh-lease...Oh--Clones as uber? Okay--I just stuck it in comedy---Oh hell, I don't HAVE an Uber list. I had no uber "consciousness" when I made my list. shoot.... FATES! YOU PUT FATES ON A *BEST* LIST! You just put that in to aggravate me, didn't ya? NO EP THAT HAS XENA GIVING UP AND NOT FIGHTING TO THE DEATH WILL *EVER* CROSS MY TV SCREEN AGAIN. Hell, I'd watch Fishsticks before I'd watch that piece of tawdry crap. Making Xena look like a poodle. WORSE--making her ACT like one. Gods... Alright--I gotta go do a furken uber list now... I'll be back. > > So KT - and everyone - can we agree? Not if you're gonna act stupid. Fates my butt. Can we evaluate six fantastic seasons > of Xena: Warrior Princess? > > Hard, but oh so fun to do....grin KT (The one with taste in this duo) > Liz/Sojourner ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:24:07 -0600 From: "H.J.J. Hewitt" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Top Ten List Tho it would be agonizing to try to figure out my top ten precisely, I can say for sure that at the top is-- WARRIOR... PRINCESS then, closely jostling each other for 2nd place are-- HOOVES & HARLOTS ...MISS AMPHIPOLIS, and LOST MARINER. Others, in no particular order, would be BEEN THERE, DONE THAT SOLSTICE CAROL YOU ARE THERE GREATER GOOD SEND IN THE CLONES (There would, of course, be no #6 ;-) The above choices obviously reflect my preference for early eps where X:WP was an adventure series rather than a soap opera. This is further demonstrated by my collection which has been culled to end up with-- 22 eps from season 1 16 from 2 4 from 3 1 from 4 4 from 5 2 from 6. Ah-h-h, for the Good Ol' Days... TEXena ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:28:02 -0900 (AKST) From: KTL Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Top Tens Revisited 2002-style Hmm. On this uber thing--does undercover work count? Naw. That's different. Okay. It strikes me that since Clones was the only thing on your Uber list that made my preliminary (and actually, semi-final) cut, then that must be the Uber that is my favorite. But...that's not quite "right" since I wasn't ranking anything as Uber. Let's see--your uber list: > Uber: Xena Scrolls, Deja Vu All Over Again, Send in the Clones, Soul > Possession, When Fates Collide > My Pick - When Fates Collide > You left out Fishsticks intentionally, yes?--didn't make your cut, I would venture to say. And I'd say You Are There is also Uberish. X&G are giving interviews on a television show and they walk around a studio lot. But these ARE them in their own bodies--but then this is so in Clones too. Boy--what makes an uber good? How do we assess an uber? You Are There and Clones are both on my semi-finalist list, but that's for comedy. Give me clues--what are we looking for? Characters we'd like to see more of? I think Lucy as Joxer in Annie was better and more fun than Lucy as Xena in Annie. She made me both laugh and feel sympathy for the Joxer/Annie character. I liked the revisit of her character in Soul Posession, her huffiness as she defended Joxer at the con and her being p*ssed seeing Harry/X and Maddy/G show up. I guesssssssssss, I'd have to say Clones, but I'd only say Clones since this is still X&G. But it is a post reformation X who's completed her dark quest and so can just be a somewhat obnoxious slob out to have a good time this time around. Would I want to watch that character for six years? Not sure. Tch. I still have to think this over. Once I know what the criteria for judging ubers is. Whoops! I just noticed a typo in my last list--Season six garnered 8 selections, not 7 as I posted. It certainly was the Big Kahuna comedy year for me. Season six to me was the most uneven one of all--excellent, well-written, beautifully produced, wildly creative out-of-the-box eps fairly evenly mixed with bland, boring, totally uninteresting ho-hum eps. As I've said before, I think season six was totally for the fans--we ALL got to see everything we'd ever whined for. Grin. ACK! Hey--Femmes and Gems is pretty funny too--how come that didn't make my comedy list? Because we're looking for the BEST, that's right. And again, many others top this in my book. Though it does have one of my favorite Xena lines in the whole series. When Gab looks at the sexually explicit scenes on the wall in Aphrodite's temple and claims, "That's not physically possible" and Xena gives a quick glance and then totally nonchalantly says, "Sure it is." I LOVE that line! It's so her. This is HARD work, tryna pick out the best. What was way kewl to me was how many I considered truly excellent--35 is slightly under 25% of the entire series. For a series to hit excellent that often is extraordinary. Then I would bet that over a good half of the rest of them are very good to good. And then we've got them ones we don't particularly like to talk about in mixed company. "Mixed company" being XWP fans as opposed to the unenlighted world at large. But you know--the effort required to put six years, over one hundred hours of completed story out there is enormous. I would certainly say that PacRen on the whole has nothing to be ashamed of in terms of what they gave us. (Well...maybe Fishsticks.) KT ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:26:09 -0500 From: "Lee Daley" Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] <> On Behalf Of cande@sunlink.net > > On the other hand she could have trained the Amazons to at > least put out perimeter guards so strangers can't sneak up on > them while they > are bathing (apparently no Amazon tribes ever have guards around > the village > ie To Helicon and Necessary Evil). > CherylA If she had maybe there would still be Amazon villages around today. LeeD, Warrior Jester ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:44:34 -0900 (AKST) From: KTL Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Top Tens Revisited 2002-style Uh...sorry about the OT, but I should also explain that Liz did get here and visit me after I'd visited her. And the very first words I heard Liz say in Alaska when I went to pick her up at the Alaska State Ferry Terminal in Haines was, "You know how you kept saying, (and she lied, I only said it ONCE! over there) New Zealand is almost as pretty as Alaska?" I said nothing, just stared warily at her. She continued, "We ain't got anything remotely like this over there Mate! This is AWESOME!~" I kept silently staring at her, waiting for the punch line. Still am... KT ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:05:10 -0900 (AKST) From: KTL Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Top Tens Revisited 2002-style > I somehow don't think you'll ever be getting KT to agree if you've got > Gurkhan or WFC in the list ;) Actually, I blow hot and cold on Gurkhan. At first I didn't like it very much, but on second viewing I did. But now as I look at the lists, there's many more in my mind that were much better. I HATE the beating Xena takes in that ep--and the humiliation she has to put up with as she's scamming Gurkhan. Its terrible to see her pain and suffering, the dripping blood from her numerous wounds spattering the floor as she has to stay conscious and flatter Gurkhan into not ordering her killed for "bringing" a knife into his palace. Blech. Only the image of Xena in The Way, writhing armless on the floor at Indrajit's feet, suffering in intense pain as she is in shock and bleeding to death from her sliced off arms, was worse to me. But, due to this eps impact on Xena's quest and due to its general excellence, The Way is one of my serious finalists. > > And as for the rest of the inhabitants of this list.... Hellooo - we're > Xenafans here, you know. We can't agree what day it is. :) That's just cause half of us live on the other side of the world. Either up and down or sideways. KT > > cr > ... much amused. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:20:49 +1300 From: NZJester Subject: [chakram-refugees] From New Xenaland list: Lucy & Dave singing tour. I wish she was coming to my area I know I would go if I could I grew up with Dave Dobbyns music When it comes to Classic Kiwi Music Dave Dobbyn wrote a lot of them >From: "Calli" >Subject: Re: [NewXenaland] re: Lucy & Dave singing tour. >Hi Carolyn, > >This item was posted on another list.....the bottom shows the venues. > >Not coming down South by the looks of things ;( > >Linda (Calli) >http://surf.to/calli >Quality not Quantity > >********************** > > >TROPICANA: Lucy Lawless and Dave Dobbyn are going on tour together. >BECKY NUNES >The Odd Couple >08 December 2002 > >She's an international TV star. He's a Kiwi music icon. So when Lucy >Lawless and Dave Dobbyn go on a rock tour together, who will be doing >who a favour? Sarah Stuart talks to the newly minted double act. > >She was an unknown 21-year-old rushing home to her eight-month-old >baby. He was an infamous Kiwi rocker rushing past her to the bar. > >"I'm Lucy Lawless and I want you to remember my name," the aspiring >actor said, waggling her finger at a diminutive Dave Dobbyn. He >promptly forgot it - it was, after all, free booze at an awards night >in the once-glamorous Trillos convention centre in Auckland. "And I >forgot almost everything in those days." > >Thirteen years later and the fan is a superstar, the rocker's dry and >that baby is 14 and heading out to summer gigs, much like the one her >mum and Dobbyn are about to embark on. The Dave and Lucy Show will be >an 11-venue celebration of classic Kiwi summer songs, as sung by a >worried warrior princess addicted to risky career moves but nervous >as hell. > >"I'm dabbling and I admit it and I apologise to the potential >audience," she says. But she wasn't going to let an opportunity like >this pass her by. > >Internationally famous stars of American TV cult hits guaranteed to >run for decades don't need to test themselves with a new career. The >wealthy Lawless, star of Xena, Warrior Princess, could be resting on >her celebrity laurels in her Malibu mansion, reading film scripts. >Instead she's stretching vocal cords she's a little unsure of and >heading for motels in New Zealand's kitschiest holiday towns. > >"I'm deeply envious of her confidence," says Dobbyn. "I have been >painfully shy and had bouts of severe self-doubt which have clouded >my career all through my life." > >"It must look like confidence but it's not that," says Lawless, eating >biscotti between rehearsals and photo-shoots. "I have a deathly fear >of stagnating. It's being attracted to being afraid. I have to do the >scariest thing because otherwise I'm missing out on things and I >don't want to end up being an old lady with bruised shins from >kicking myself." > >Singing, for Lawless, is the scariest thing. Once an aspiring opera >singer, a bad experience as a teenager has made her paranoid about >her voice. > >"I had a singing teacher who was wrong for me," she says. "I >developed bad habits. But singing with Dave and working with a voice >coach in LA has helped." > >The tour double act was Dobbyn's manager's idea. Left-field, >certainly. But with chart-topper Anika Moa as support, it's almost >guaranteed a sell-out. > >"She said Lucy sings," says Dobbyn. "I said, that's wacky. And now >it's not wacky - it's deeply, deeply serious." > >"He knew he could sing, the band could play and I was confident," says >Lawless of Dobbyn's enthusiasm for the project. "I think he's bored >and wants to go out and meet people." > >It was almost named The Dave and Lucy Show and after only a couple of >weeks working together their banter is like that of old buddies. > >There's still a lot of the adoring fan in Lawless, who says she grew >up with the music she's most keen to sing: Dobbyn, Split Enz, Sharon >O'Neill, Space Waltz. And Dobbyn, sans alcohol, is a man who gets on >with everyone. > >They began planning the tour when Lawless was in LA. She sang down >the phone and they talked about their favourite music. The actor >decided on the New Zealand-only content. > >"When I'm in LA I only wanted to listen to Kiwi stuff." > >Lawless won't be singing anything too taxing. "This is not the freak- >out tour. It's the touch the people tour." And there'll be a lot of >Dobbyn songs - the classics and maybe a couple from the new album >he'll release in April. > >"Lucy's a fan of my stuff and I'll be eternally flattered about that." > >Lawless has sung in public before, including a well-received stint on >Broadway in Grease and the odd Christmas in the Park concert in >Auckland. There have been disasters, however, such as the 1997 ice- >hockey match in California when Xena was asked to sing the difficult >Star Spangled Banner and accidentally exposed a breast during the >performance. > >"That was a terrible rendition," she says. > >"But it's a very hard song to sing," soothes Dobbyn. > >Besides, failure brings freedom. Both artists are keen on long >careers full of challenges and the odd public stumble. "Once you've >failed in a big public way, it's freeing really," says Lawless. "If >you fail horribly many, many times then you're not afraid of failing." > >Despite the musician's encouragement, Lawless says the tour isn't the >beginning of a new career. Acting is still her gig; she's >contemplating a "400-year contract" for an American TV one-hour drama >show, although the hours required won't leave her much time to >mother. She may aim for a reduced contract that allows as much time >in New Zealand as in LA, and then there's always film. > >"I've got baby vomit on my top," she said as she arrived for the >interview, scratching away at the offending stain. After years of the >relentless work with Xena, spending time with teenage Daisy, toddler >Julius and new baby Judah is a big priority. > >"When I told my daughter about this summer tour she was so excited," >says Lawless. "She said Ooh Mum, I would be so proud of you if you >did that'." > >Dobbyn's children, nine-year-old Grace and seven-year-old Eli, were >less impressed, even though Xena was joining the show. > >"Ahh, they're not big on telly." > >Though they have parenting, Catholic upbringings and a love of Kiwi >music in common, Lawless and Dobbyn have lived very different lives. >The intensely shy Dobbyn spent years hiding his stage fear behind the >bottle, with a well-documented descent into drugs and alcohol that he >kicked, for good, a few years ago. Lawless became pregnant at 20, >married and fitted her career around motherhood and early nights. > >"I've been a mother my whole (adult) life," she says. "I never did >that social life thing." Instead she's found excitement in fear - the >challenges of avoiding public humiliation. > >"Acting is psychologically dangerous," she says. "It can put a ripple >in the fabric of your being." > >Performing in last year's Auckland Theatre Company Vagina Monologues >with established stage actors Danielle Cormack and Madeleine Sami was >terrifying. She was pregnant with Judah at the time and found herself >in a very different state of mind. > >"Sometimes the pregnancy runs you a bit. I wasn't Lucy. I'm getting >back to Lucy now but it can take a couple of years for me, through >the whole being pregnant, giving birth, having a new baby thing. It's >necessary to make you happy to stay in your cave and feed and nurture >your baby." > >So now she's breaking out, feeling the fear and hitting the pub >circuit to sing with the country's best pub rocker while she decides >on her next career move. > >"What's happened to me is someone you really admire says do you want >to do something really scary and I'll be beside you all the way," >says Lawless. "I'd be an idiot to turn it down." > >* The Summer Holiday Tour >Dec 26 Taupo Great Lakes; Dec 27 Papamoa Sports and Recreation Club; >Dec 28 Coroglen Tavern; Dec 29, 30 Tauranga Baycourt Theatre; Dec 31 >Waihi Beach Hotel; Jan 2 Silverdale Wade Hotel; Jan 3 Mangawhai >Tavern; Jan 4 Duke of Malborough Tavern, Russell; Jan 5 Kaitaia >Community Centre, Jan 8 Parthenon, Wellington; Jan 11 St James, >Auckland. > - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Catch ya later NZJester - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:51:50 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Top Tens Revisited 2002-style On Sunday 08 December 2002 15:05, KTL wrote: > > I somehow don't think you'll ever be getting KT to agree if you've got > > Gurkhan or WFC in the list ;) > > Actually, I blow hot and cold on Gurkhan. At first I didn't like it very > much, but on second viewing I did. But now as I look at the lists, there's > many more in my mind that were much better. > > I HATE the beating Xena takes in that ep--and the humiliation she has to > put up with as she's scamming Gurkhan. Its terrible to see her pain and > suffering, the dripping blood from her numerous wounds spattering the > floor as she has to stay conscious and flatter Gurkhan into not ordering > her killed for "bringing" a knife into his palace. Blech. Yeah, it wasn't just the beating, it's the way she grovelled to Gurkhan. I just *cannot* see Xena ever doing that, whatever the circumstances. > > > And as for the rest of the inhabitants of this list.... Hellooo - > > we're Xenafans here, you know. We can't agree what day it is. :) > > That's just cause half of us live on the other side of the world. > > Either up and down or sideways. > > KT This is the Xenaverse. Therefore, New Zealand is the Right Way Up. Therefore, you lot are all upside down. ;) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:54:36 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] From New Xenaland list: Lucy & Dave singing tour. On Sunday 08 December 2002 15:20, NZJester wrote: (snip) > >TROPICANA: Lucy Lawless and Dave Dobbyn are going on tour together. > >BECKY NUNES > >The Odd Couple > >08 December 2002 > > (Huge snip) > > > >* The Summer Holiday Tour > >Dec 26 Taupo Great Lakes; Dec 27 Papamoa Sports and Recreation Club; > >Dec 28 Coroglen Tavern; Dec 29, 30 Tauranga Baycourt Theatre; Dec 31 > >Waihi Beach Hotel; Jan 2 Silverdale Wade Hotel; Jan 3 Mangawhai > >Tavern; Jan 4 Duke of Malborough Tavern, Russell; Jan 5 Kaitaia > >Community Centre, Jan 8 Parthenon, Wellington; Jan 11 St James, > >Auckland. Just for all you non-Kiwis, this really is a small-town New Zealand country tour. Taupo, Tauranga, Wellington and Auckland are the only towns on the list with more than maybe 5,000 regular population. The rest are holiday centres, or near beaches, but even in the summer holiday season Papamoa, Coroglen or Kaitaia would not be very busy. (In fact I had to scratch my memory hard to even remember where Papamoa and Coroglen are). cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:41:17 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Top Tens Revisited 2002-style On Sunday 08 December 2002 13:29, KTL wrote: > > > So KT - and everyone - can we agree? > > Not if you're gonna act stupid. Fates my butt. I knew you'd say that. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V2 #332 **************************************