From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #328 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Tuesday, December 3 2002 Volume 02 : Number 328 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] OT: Die Another Day--SPOILERS (yup) ["Jackie M. Yo] [chakram-refugees] Xena sighting [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 22:33:51 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] OT: Die Another Day--SPOILERS (yup) On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:34:48 -0500 (EST), Sarah Anne Packard wrote: >I have to add some more Xena connections here: > > First of all, the film is directed by Lee Tamahori, a part-Maori New >Zealander! (Director of such films as "Once Were Warriors") Also, I >immediately recognized a Maori actor playing one of the main baddie > >the imdb...anyway, the actor, Lawrence Makoare - --*Thank you, thank you*!! ;=) I was wondering about that, since I didn't recognize the director's name, but the film was *very* well-made IMO. ;=) And subconsciously, I was wondering about that big baddie, though he was the only one who looked "different" so I didn't quite _consciously_ make the NZ connection. ;( > It's also of note to fans of the series "Witchblade" that the North >Korean villain in the beginning is played by Will Yun Lee, who was Sara >Pezzini's partner on that show. Quite a character change!! :) - --*Ahhhh*....*thank you* again!! ;=) I _knew_ he looked familiar, but I couldn't for the life of me *place* him, and now it all comes together. He was an *excellent* choice for a villian, IMO. ;=) On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:25:11 -0500, meredith wrote: >haven't seen the film (and don't plan to, the Bond films hold no interest >for me whatsoever), but I was wondering about this scene since I heard >more than one friend tell me they were very put off and disturbed by it (one >friend actually said she found it quite offensive). Was it as >over-the-top and gratuitous as they implied? - --I'd agree with Sojourner somewhat--it wasn't as bad as Gurkhan, but it was worse than Gauntlet, IMO. The whole torture-thang was played over the titles in montage, so the perturbing effects were mitigated, but they were pretty gruesome scenes, if you believed they were real. Brosnan acted them well, but with a sexy torturer and overlaid computer graphics as Sojourner mentioned, it was hard to totally take it seriously, even with such gross-outs as being threatened with a live scorpion. ;=/ So, I'd say "in-between". ;=/ I'm not exactly a Bond-afficianado, either, which is why this one stuck out for me, so to speak. It was *funny* and *smart* and unpredictable, and then so predictable that it was *funny*. ;=) (I.e., in the initial train-wreck scene, I _knew_ his punchline after jumping down from the bell would be "saved by the bell" [something I could see Joxer saying, BTW ;P ], and at the end where Moneypenny's being seduced I _knew_ it would turn out to be a hologram--but these scenes were all the funnier because the audience was in on the joke--kinda like ADITL. ;) And the first scene where the NKorean villian is beating up this guy in a bag, throws him out of the bag, and says, "That'll teach you to lecture me! Get me a new anger therapist!" is *soooo* reminiscent of Velasca beating up Autolycus in The Quest and Autolycus claiming he "paid for an hour". ;) ) You actually might like it more than you think. ;) >whom ever worked with RenPics. But certainly X:WP didn't have the patent >on tongue-in-cheek writing. Just because something is humorous doesn't >mean it owes a debt to X:WP in any way. - --No, and it's hard to explain, but it's probably that hard-to-pin-down Kiwi humor that both XWP and HTLJ had. Kinda that campy, but smart and sophisticated, self-deprecating humor that we loved in both shows. And they didn't overdo it IMO, as they might've in earlier movies. There were *lots* of double-entendres and literary allusions, the number of which I'd say were unusual for previous Bond movies. It really did feel, to me anyway, more like XWP writing than the usual Bond writing. (*Lotsa* understatements: the end scene with everything being blown up/burning all around them, the CIA guy turns to the camera and lights a cigarette. ;) ) And Xena used men just like Bond used women, so?? The fact that, in this movie, he had to struggle with his "dark side", using no initial resources, made it _much_ more "Xenaesque" than I had anticipated. On Sun, 1 Dec 2002 22:42:53 +1300, cr wrote: >No, I don't think that's really new. Ever since Dr No, the very first >Bond movie, they've poked a bit of fun at themselves. - --Yes, but IMO those earlier attempts were a bit on the heavyhanded side. This time, it was fast, light, and smart (see above). The earlier attempts were much more on the *corny* side; this was more *wry* humor. But of course, it's all in the "sense" of the beholder....;) >I did think the Bond movie with Michelle Yeoh (was that Tomorrow Never >Dies?) was pretty good, mostly thanks to the aforementioned Ms Yeoh ;) - --Yes, though my issue with that was that the sexual tension between them was never resolved, and so, fizzled out. ;P Michelle Yeoh was *great* (and would've played a *great* Lao Ma, if Jackie Kim didn't do it), but (perhaps at her request?) her role didn't go beyond being very profficient at what she did. Anyway, just MO, ;) - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * * * "Feel the fear and do it anyway." --Lucy Lawless, * * Evening Post, 7/4/98 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 10:06:17 -0500 From: Subject: [chakram-refugees] Xena sighting The Simpson last night. The Simpsons have been forced from their home because of exterminators and are looking for a place to live. They go to the comic book guys house and there's a Xena poster on his wall. 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