From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #325 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Friday, November 29 2002 Volume 02 : Number 325 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [cr ] [chakram-refugees] Last Dance DVD [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> ["Cheryl Ande" ] [chakram-refugees] OT: Die Another Day--SPOILERS (somewhat) ["Jackie M. Y] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 21:48:25 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> On Thursday 28 November 2002 04:21, cande@sunlink.net wrote: > # > # > # > # > # > > This is another episode that was generally dismissed by Xena fans. Indeed > it was probably created to make an inexpensive episode, and give LL and ROC > some downtime. It however isn't all bad and is enjoyable. It also gives > viewers a glimpse of the Amazon High pilot. I have to say, I usually just watch the Amazon High bits, and mentally cruise through the 'Xena' bits. > > As I said there are some good parts here. I liked seeing the Amazon High > parts but since I saw the original pilot I was very aware of how much of > the story was missing so I was left a bit dissatisfied. I found it very hard to follow the Amazon High story (from the clips in Lifeblood) on first acquaintance. After I'd watched a couple of times, it became clearer. What I did notice, reading your account of the 'real thing', for which many thanks, was that some of the clips in Lifeblood were out of order. This was quite legitimate I guess, since Lifeblood was telling its own story and didn't need to be exactly follow the Amazon High plot. > The biggest drawback of the episode is that it is basically a throw away > episode (it never was even shown as a rerun). At the same time it > introduces some important themes: Gabrielle is now a queen of the northern > Amazons, Eve is an Amazon (something that should have been referred to in > season 6, Makes a good trivia question, though, doesn't it? 'Who was the most evil Amazon of all?' or suchlike. How many people would answer 'Velasca' and never think of Eve or Alti? ;) > and the fact the Xena realizes the need for her child to a stable > structure to her life. It is also hard to follow if you don't really pay > attention to the episode - the Amazon High clips aren't really explained > too well in context of this episode. Agreed. I think the clips were chosen mainly to illustrate the Lifeblood story, irrespective of their significance in the Amazon High story. Some of the AH plot survived, but in modified form. > As a history major I however liked the theme that history is often > distorted to support our own view point. The cult of Samsarah was able to > suppress the true history of Cyane and thus alter Amazon culture. Interesting that Cyane and Karina's enlightened leadership was forgotten and counted for naught in centuries to come, while Samsara whose approach was discredited at the time, was the one whose legend survived. I wonder if, in Japan in later years, the story would be told of how the evil invader Xena was killed by the heroic spirit of the murdered Lord Yodoshi, who had kept the 40,000 souls safe from her clutches .... ;-) > The > revelation of the true history and it acceptance as the truth changes the > culture again. We often see how the perception of history affects modern > life. In the Muslim world now it is the perception among some that a > return a very strict, and xenophobic interpretation of Islam that rejects > modernity will lead once again to Islamic greatness ignoring the fact that > the golden age of Islam embraced modernity, diversity and generally was > tolerant of other peoples and religions. It is very unfortunate that some people can't get over the past (or what they view as the past). I guess we could cite Northern Ireland as another example... cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 21:06:35 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> On Thursday 28 November 2002 12:20, Lee Daley wrote: > > > > > > I have to agree with some comments, it was a very bad Xena > > > > episode, but a > > > > > so-so Herc episode. And that Herc-ish cast to S5 was one of the > > > reasons O&K were vilified. There was a feeling that they brought too > > > much Herc with them. > > > > I think you're getting God Fearing Child and Married With > > Fishsticks mixed up? > > Or am I getting mixed up? > > Remember the Herc episode(s) with the octopus. Herc had a lot of silly > stories, I think O&K brought that with them Oh, yeah, you mean the 'mother of all monsters'? Quite agree, that was almost embarrassingly bad. Talk about a guy in a rubber suit.... :( Not sure how much O&K had to do with that one, actually. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:50:22 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Last Dance DVD I received my LD DVD. Having already purchased the VHS version, I have to admit to some disappointment in the extras. Yes, it was great getting the bits of Lucy singing and Renee doing her "rap," even though the quality of sound and video was naturally not so great. But I was expecting more in terms of the additional interviews. Turns out that most of the interviews with LL and ROC at the end repeated much of what was already intersperced throughout the grrls' stage appearance. So, if you too already purchased Last Dance on VHS and don't have the dinars for the DVD, you won't be missing that much beyond the usual benefits of DVD. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 18:33:59 -0500 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> - ----- Original Message ----- From: "cr" " It is very unfortunate that some people can't get over the past (or what they view as the past). I guess we could cite Northern Ireland as another example..." Yes indeed. Some people or cultures are trapped by their history. Americans on the other hand suffer from historical amensia and are woefully ignorant about our history ( a recent poll demonstrated that a startingly large per centage of Americans didn't know when the Civil War was fought). It's a wonder how we can expect a democracy to work when we have so little connection to our past. I mentioned the immigration of Latinos into this country and the arguments against them is (1) they take jobs from Americans, (2) they are burden on our welfare (charitable institutions), (3) have a high incidence of criminal behavior. This has been true of every immigrant population - it was true of the Irish of the mid 1800'sand theEastern and Southern European immigrations of the late 1800's early 1900s. Immigrants do take low paying jobs, do relie heavily on charity and because a large number of them are usually young single males, they do exhibit criminal behavior. Eventually they settle down, get better paying jobs, go off welfare and get older and they adapt to America. My grandfather was a Slovak immigrant and my mother who is 84 can tell stories of him and his compatriots that is rife with drinking, fighting and law breaking that is mind-boogling, yet this same generation raised young men and women who survived the Depression, fought WW 2, and made this country one of the prosperous on earth. They did a good job despite many who feared that they would destroy American culter. All immigrants change American culture and America changes them. It is the way it has always been - if we had a better understanding of our own history we would have a more balanced view of immigration. End of lecture for today. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:33:21 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: [chakram-refugees] OT: Die Another Day--SPOILERS (somewhat) I just got back from the new Bond movie, Die Another Day, and I must say it was far more of a Xena fix than I thought it would be. ;=) First, the Bond character *finally* goes dark, and has to fight against a frame-up against him, plus endure some very Xena-esque torture reminiscent of The Gauntlet at the hands of the NKoreans in a prison for supposedly 14 mos. (he was in far too good shape at the end for me to believe that, but we really can't have an out-of-shape Bond, now can we? ;P ). Second, the writing was *so d*mn funny* and tongue-in-cheek and self-mocking, just like Xena (sometimes I was guffawing so loudly I think my seat neighbors wanted to have me hauled outta there! ;) ), I hadda wonder if a XWP writer had been involved in the project in some way (I couldn't stay for the end credits like I usually do because the *d*mn* thing was 2:15 hrs. and I hadda run to the bathroom at the end *really fast*! ;) )? Third, the action/martial arts sequences were very fast-paced and many of the moves were reminiscent of XWP (Halle Berry's character does several flips/kicks/jumps just like Xena), though if it had truly been a Xena movie, Xena woulda been kicking *a** with the guys, and not been relegated to a girl-girl fight like Halle Berry was at the end. Lotsa acrobatics/wire techniques as far as I could see, and lotsa FX. ;=) All in all, a *great* movie, and Brosnan finally comes into his own as Bond (the first few Bond movies he looked a bit nervous to be taking on the "mantle", but now he seems relaxed and into it), and I highly recommend it for anyone who's got XWS now as I do. ;=) Just MO, ;) - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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