From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #305 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Wednesday, November 6 2002 Volume 02 : Number 305 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] X&G "Screw-ups" [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] X&G "Screw-ups" [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [Sojourner > [mirrordrum ] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [Sojourner > ["Creation (Sharon Delaney)" > [IfeRae@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:55:02 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] X&G "Screw-ups" On Tuesday 05 November 2002 11:01, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > > Well, to be very specific there, I don't think that sort of team analogy > applies to X&G at all, for most of the series, because of the wide > difference > in their abilities, not to mention their natures. Nowhere (until Season > 5 at least) is it shown that Gabby was anything more than a competent > fighter, and while Xena could undoubtedly read and write, she is never > shown as having > any literary or storytelling ability.<< > > Fighting and storytelling? In your view, we apparently have two > people who happen to be running side by side. One can run much faster than > the other, but for some odd reason keeps coming back to run with or carry > the other one on her back. The faster one must be a fool, if speed and > individual effort are the only criteria for success. I didn't actually say that! But I do maintain their abilities were self-evidently very different. However, this is starting to go round in circles. Excuse me if I withdraw from the debate. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:17:50 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> On Tuesday 05 November 2002 12:24, Cheryl Ande wrote: > > I think that was the episode that relationship started to develope into > friendship. I think that ROC and AT worked so well together that teaming > them was easy to do and a friendship seemed natural. It gives Gabrielle > someone else to be friends with and it allowed Aphrodite to be more than > just a flighty valley girl. Also Aphrodite was being developed on Hercules > as a sympathetic character as she behaved more like his kid sister. > Aphrodite could have a similar relationship with Gabrielle. Well, the original Aphrodite (on Herc) was a totally vain, selfish and irresponsible goddess. But she gradually improved with time. > Yes I was going to mention the Great Race it did perhaps have the last > great cinematic pie fight. I've just had the impulse to go and rent the DVD (if there is one). > Since then food fights heve devoved into rather > disgusting sight gags (Animal House) there is something inherently funny in > a pie that just isn't the same when mash potatoes are substituted. > > CherylA On screen, I agree. However, I can say from practical and rather reprehensible experience (in my engineering student days) that there is *nothing* quite as slippery on a concrete cafeteria floor as a thin layer of potato, it rapidly reduces the whole place to complete chaos. Animal House was not entirely fictitous ;) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:23:16 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> On Tuesday 05 November 2002 06:23, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/4/02 3:31:43 AM Central Standard Time, > cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > > << > Gabby does as she is told (see that cr) > > I saw it. First time in five seasons, was it? > "I never do what I'm told" - Gab, in some episode or other.... :) > > > I'm thinking that may have been in the Ring trilogy ep, where Xena left > Gabs sleeping while the WP went off on her suicide mission, but Gabs ended > up saving Xena's skin by bringing the chakram and jumping Grindle when it > had Xena in her clutches. I've just searched my transcripts directory and come up with a blank. I can't find any reference to that phrase! Very disappointed! > Actually, I remember Gabs telling Xena way back > in season one that she wouldn't always be ordered around. As I recall, > Xena smiled, though she sometimes seemed to have memory loss about that. > But we won't resume that argument in this post, will we? > > -- Ife Better not, I think...... cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:34:50 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] X&G "Screw-ups" In a message dated 11/5/02 4:48:28 AM Central Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: << However, this is starting to go round in circles. Excuse me if I withdraw from the debate. >> Agreed. No problem. As Ares would say, "Until next time." - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:40:44 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> In a message dated 11/5/02 4:48:41 AM Central Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: << "I never do what I'm told" - Gab, in some episode or other.... :) > > > I'm thinking that may have been in the Ring trilogy ep, where Xena left > Gabs sleeping while the WP went off on her suicide mission, but Gabs ended > up saving Xena's skin by bringing the chakram and jumping Grindle when it > had Xena in her clutches. I've just searched my transcripts directory and come up with a blank. I can't find any reference to that phrase! Very disappointed! >> For some reason, I keep picturing Brunhilde (?) and Beowulf standing by Gabs, as the group is about to attack Grindle in The Ring. I have to admit, there are certainly several other occasions when she might've said that. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 19:57:28 +0000 From: Sojourner Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> At 12:40 05/11/2002 -0500, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 11/5/02 4:48:41 AM Central Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz >writes: > ><< "I never do what I'm told" - Gab, in some episode or other.... :) > > > > > > I'm thinking that may have been in the Ring trilogy ep, where Xena left > > Gabs sleeping while the WP went off on her suicide mission, but Gabs ended > > up saving Xena's skin by bringing the chakram and jumping Grindle when it > > had Xena in her clutches. > > I've just searched my transcripts directory and come up with a blank. I > can't find any reference to that phrase! Very disappointed! > >> > >For some reason, I keep picturing Brunhilde (?) and Beowulf standing by Gabs, >as the group is about to attack Grindle in The Ring. I have to admit, there >are certainly several other occasions when she might've said that. > >-- Ife The best example of this IS indeed The Ring when X, G and Beowulf are chasing Grendel in the cave (after abortive ambush): X: "I thought I told you not to come in here!" G: "I never listen!" (Thanks as usual to Whoosh) http://www.whoosh.org/epguide/trans/608trans.html And the howls of recognition and a little derision and a lot of humour around the living rooms of the Xenaverse are still reverberating. S O J O U R NE R ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:38:33 -0500 From: mirrordrum Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> At 07:57 PM 11/5/2002 +0000, Sojourner wrote: >At 12:40 05/11/2002 -0500, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: >>In a message dated 11/5/02 4:48:41 AM Central Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz >>writes: >> >><< "I never do what I'm told" - Gab, in some episode or other.... :) > >The best example of this IS indeed The Ring when X, G and Beowulf are >chasing Grendel in the cave (after abortive ambush): > >X: "I thought I told you not to come in here!" >G: "I never listen!" > >(Thanks as usual to Whoosh) http://www.whoosh.org/epguide/trans/608trans.html > >And the howls of recognition and a little derision and a lot of humour >around the living rooms of the Xenaverse are still reverberating. > >S O J O U R NE R second in my house only to the reverberations caused by "oh, right. i'm the sidekick. i get to walk ten paces behind you and your *horse*!" followed of course by xena's "you can walk beside my horse." and sneers of derision at the "people who love each other don't talk like this" dialogue. since when and whyever not? in my experience, people who really love each other talk a lot more like that than the smarmy "even in death" stuff. who the hell says that, anyway? it wouldn't be interesting not to be ornery at least part of the time. md--coming in belatedly on this thread and possibly missing the point. i just, er, dropped by to say hi. "hi!" :-) ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 20:53:07 +0000 From: Sojourner Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> At 15:38 05/11/2002 -0500, mirrordrum wrote: >At 07:57 PM 11/5/2002 +0000, Sojourner wrote: >>At 12:40 05/11/2002 -0500, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: >>>In a message dated 11/5/02 4:48:41 AM Central Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz >>>writes: >>> >>><< "I never do what I'm told" - Gab, in some episode or other.... :) >> >>The best example of this IS indeed The Ring when X, G and Beowulf are >>chasing Grendel in the cave (after abortive ambush): >> >>X: "I thought I told you not to come in here!" >>G: "I never listen!" >> >>(Thanks as usual to Whoosh) http://www.whoosh.org/epguide/trans/608trans.html >> >>And the howls of recognition and a little derision and a lot of humour >>around the living rooms of the Xenaverse are still reverberating. >> >>S O J O U R NE R > >second in my house only to the reverberations caused by "oh, right. i'm >the sidekick. i get to walk ten paces behind you and your *horse*!" >followed of course by xena's "you can walk beside my horse." > >and sneers of derision at the "people who love each other don't talk like >this" dialogue. since when and whyever not? in my experience, people who >really love each other talk a lot more like that than the smarmy "even in >death" stuff. who the hell says that, anyway? it wouldn't be interesting >not to be ornery at least part of the time. > >md--coming in belatedly on this thread and possibly missing the point. i >just, er, dropped by to say hi. "hi!" :-) True. I would also add the last little bit of the YAT scene when G says, again, "Right. So what's the plan?" But the BEST cheer ever raised by a moment in XWP for me and mine was in FIN 2 when X got the water from the Fountain of Strength and reappears in her full outfit (which of course we have hardly seen this ep). And proceeds to beat the tar out of Lord Yodoshi. Cheers AND tears. Sniffle. yay..... Sojourner ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:58:54 -0800 From: "Creation (Sharon Delaney)" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> >At 07:57 PM 11/5/2002 +0000, Sojourner wrote: >>At 12:40 05/11/2002 -0500, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: >>>In a message dated 11/5/02 4:48:41 AM Central Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz >>>writes: >>> >>><< "I never do what I'm told" - Gab, in some episode or other.... :) >> >>The best example of this IS indeed The Ring when X, G and Beowulf are >>chasing Grendel in the cave (after abortive ambush): >> >>X: "I thought I told you not to come in here!" >>G: "I never listen!" >> >>(Thanks as usual to Whoosh) http://www.whoosh.org/epguide/trans/608trans.html >> >>And the howls of recognition and a little derision and a lot of humour >>around the living rooms of the Xenaverse are still reverberating. >> >>S O J O U R NE R > >second in my house only to the reverberations caused by "oh, right. i'm the >sidekick. i get to walk ten paces behind you and your *horse*!" >followed of course by xena's "you can walk beside my horse." > >and sneers of derision at the "people who love each other don't talk like >this" dialogue. since when and whyever not? in my experience, people who >really love each other talk a lot more like that than the smarmy "even in >death" stuff. who the hell says that, anyway? it wouldn't be interesting >not to be ornery at least part of the time. > >md--coming in belatedly on this thread and possibly missing the point. i >just, er, dropped by to say hi. "hi!" :-) I thought ya'll would like this from Renee's interview when we were watching Chariots of War and Gab tells Xena's she's going with her and "let's go." She takes off walking, as usual, and Xena is riding: RO: Steve told me he always liked it when Gabrielle was walking behind Xena's horse. (laughing) She had to walk. He thought that was hilarious. sd ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:39:46 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> In a message dated 11/5/02 2:39:02 PM Central Standard Time, aemoses@comcast.net writes: << >X: "I thought I told you not to come in here!" >G: "I never listen!" > >(Thanks as usual to Whoosh) http://www.whoosh.org/epguide/trans/608trans.html > >And the howls of recognition and a little derision and a lot of humour >around the living rooms of the Xenaverse are still reverberating. > >S O J O U R NE R second in my house only to the reverberations caused by "oh, right. i'm the sidekick. i get to walk ten paces behind you and your *horse*!" followed of course by xena's "you can walk beside my horse." and sneers of derision at the "people who love each other don't talk like this" dialogue. since when and whyever not? in my experience, people who really love each other talk a lot more like that than the smarmy "even in death" stuff. who the hell says that, anyway? it wouldn't be interesting not to be ornery at least part of the time. md--coming in belatedly on this thread and possibly missing the point. i just, er, dropped by to say hi. "hi!" :-) >> Is that possible? Missing "the point," when it changes ever so much anyway? Actually, Cande made reference in her post to a somewhat totally unrelated discussion/debate CR and I were having, stimulated (as usual) by another of Cande's posts. It was partially about times Gabs didn't listen to Xena. Naturally, we couldn't resist getting our jabs in, once Cande gave us an opening. As luck would have it, I totally agree with your comments above and am pretty sure CR wouldn't have much disagreement. One of the things I liked about YOU ARE THERE were all the "reality" bites that took chunks out of the "we never act like that" idealism of the relationship between two people who endure each other's daily "morning breath," regardless of how much they want to spend as much time breathing together and ever after. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. 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