From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #296 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Monday, October 28 2002 Volume 02 : Number 296 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Seeds Of Faith [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Seeds Of Faith [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] OT: Don't let them cancel Firefly! [cr > ["Cheryl Ande" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] X&G "Screw-ups" (was Re: Seeds Of Faith] [cr > [cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Seeds Of Faith On Sunday 27 October 2002 12:22, Cheryl Ande wrote: > From: "cr" > > > On Saturday 26 October 2002 16:37, cr wrote: > > > > Let's face it if they had listened to Gabrielle's > > > > explanation, decided on a more reasonable punishment, they would have > > > > saved Xena a lot of trouble, Gabrielle's wish for atonement would > > > > have been satified, and the bedoouine honor would have been satified. > > > > > > And in those days, what would have been a 'more reasonable punishment'? > > > Not much different, I suspect. Or maybe just a hundred lashes. > > > Whatever it might be, can you see Xena allowing that? > > > > > > cr > > > > Actually, on reflection, more likely cutting off Gabby's hand. They did > > it > > > for theft, very likely they'd do it for the hand that struck the blow. > > Or > > > invite Gabs, as a demonstration of her contrition, to cut it off > > herself.... > > > ;) > > Well actually there is the concept of blood money. Which is a fine paid to > the family in the case of accidental death. This fine could be in money or > labor so actually you could have worked the story to make Gabby perform > some deed to make an amends for her actions. The fact that the tribes have > this very rigid law about accidental death is probably more of a plot > device than anthropoligally realistic. > CherylA I expect it varied from tribe to tribe, actually. The key words though being 'accidental death'. They might still have taken a *lot* of convincing that Desert Boy ending up with a knife in him was truly accidental. "I was cleaning it and it went off" only really works for guns ;) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 22:28:57 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Seeds Of Faith On Sunday 27 October 2002 05:56, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/25/2002 9:57:19 PM Central Daylight Time, > > cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > > > I believe Xena was truly appalled > > > that he might be killed for something he didn't do. I don't think > > > she'd have let them kill him. > > > > There, I'm not sure. Xena still hated all Romans at that time, I > > think. > > > > We certainly didn't see her attitude soften until Anthony & Cleopatra. > > She > > > was ready enough to lure them into a trap and get them killed. So, > > whether > > her sense of justice would have rebelled against letting him be killed, > > or whether she could have just written him off as just another war > > casualty, > > I' > > > m > > not sure.>> > > Yes, which is precisely the moral dilemma Gabs saved her from making. Well now, if that was the biggest moral dilemma Xena had to face that week, she'd be getting out of practice ;) > As > you suggested earlier, saving Gabs is way past "moral" -- so instinctive to > Xena that the ethical aspect may be in choosing the lesser of evil "by any > means necessary" ways to do that. Hmm, maybe. I do just wish she didn't have this habit of saving Gabs from whatever screw-up Gabs makes.... sooner or later she really should have had enough and permanently grounded Gabs. Which is to say, given her the elbow. But she never did. > > > But what would she have done/said, if Gabrielle > > > hadn't intervened? Said she herself did it? > > > > No. She would have pointed out, I think, that there was _no_ evidence > > that > > > it was this Roman who actually killed Desert Boy, punishing him would > > ket the > > real killer off the hook. Or something like that. And then framed it > > on > > > one of the Romans who died on the subsequent battlefield. That's what > > I think she would have done.>> > > She basically tried that, but they weren't having it. He was Roman, in the > vicinity, with blood on his sword. He killed somebody, so who cared which > somebody? If they got all the other Romans later, they'd still probably > get the one who really did it. She also ran the risk of making the two > camps suspicious of each other, if they began to doubt it was an outsider. > > -- Ife He had blood on his sword? I'd forgotten that. OK, so he'd killed somebody, presumably one of the tribesmen. In that case, what's the objection to the tribesmen killing him? cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 22:49:32 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] OT: Don't let them cancel Firefly! On Sunday 27 October 2002 12:30, Cheryl Ande wrote: > > Now you see this why I hate network TV - a series just get going and is > starting to jell they want to cancel it. I'll sign the petition but I > doubt if it will do any good. You know I feel it's just a complete waste > of time to watch anything on the networks unless it is already a bonifide > hit. Unfortunately there just so many doctor shows, lawyer/police shows I > can tolerate. I like action/adventure and scifi but there is no place for > it on TV (obviously not even the Scifi channel has much use for it either). > > CherylA Reputedly, having canned Farscape to pay for Stargate SG-1, the Sci-Fi Channel is now about to can Stargate too. And (I can hardly believe this, but I've seen it reported) they are proposing to donate the money thus saved to 'UFO research'. (Which, if true, I cynically presume will consist of making some cheap sensationalist 'reality' programming about self-styled alien abductees.... ) Of course, when one remembers that SciFi Channel is owned by Studios USA, it suddenly doesn't seem so strange after all..... 8-( cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 12:37:34 -0500 From: mirrordrum Subject: [chakram-refugees] a trivial pursuit question hi all-- callisto kissed the chakram in and gab kissed it in . was it ever kissed by anyone in any other ep and if so by whom and in what ep? thanks. md Not in our name: A statement of conscience against war and repression. http://www.nion.us ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 13:32:40 -0500 (EST) From: Sarah Anne Packard Subject: [chakram-refugees] Dearborn con! Hey all...I went to the Creation Xena/Trek/sci-fi con in Dearborn, Michigan yesterday, the day Alex Tydings and Claire Stansfield were appearing..also saw their Triple XXX Revue (which they are now calling just the Claire and Alexandra Show or something like that - in addition to doing the usual fanfic they also showed the 2nd of Claire's movies starring Xena dolls, "At Last...part 2" with Alti, Ephiny & Eli...and also a music video Claire directed that Alex was in, very cool). Anyway, not a whole lot to report I guess, but one interesting thing Claire mentioned (besides the fact that she is now going to concentrate solely on things like directing and not do acting anymore :( Oh, she did also mention that Rob Tapert is apparently gonna possibly do another show in NZ soon, and she would be interested in doing that if it was offered to her) is that she auditioned for the role of Sydney's mom on "Alias"! (The one that went to Lena Olin!) Wow...she of course said she was honored to have been in the same company as someone like Lena Olin. I can totally visualize Claire in that role too, once she told us about it...hmm. So there's a trivia factoid for you. :) Speaking of trivia, I got an answer right in the trivia competition (the ? being who was the original Xena b4 Lucy - so easy! Vanessa Angel! But no-one else got it...some woman actually guessed Renee O'Connor!!), and won a buttload of prizes, including the red Gabrielle shirt I've actually had my eye on for ages, woo-hoo! And a Hercules and Iolaus photo, a 2002 Xena calendar, a Harry Potter poster..and an autographed 8x10 of Ricardo Montalban (as the guy from Fantasy Island). Anyone wanna buy that off me? I don't really want it. :) -Sarah, aka the abbagirl- P.S. Alas, I only saw one girl in a Xena-related costume...a spiffy Amazon one...she was the girl who asked the Vanessa Angel question. Overall the audience was very dominated by Trekkies, to the point that I think Claire felt very nervous onstage, she seemed to sense right away that her people weren't really out there. Which made me feel bad...I miss the old days of just 100% Xena cons!! It seems like those are gone cept for ones like Pasadena and I think Cherry Hill...hmmmm. :( Ok, now I'm gonna go back to watching the Xena marathon on Oxygen. :) P.P.S. Oh, and Alex now has very short, black hair!! ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 14:29:47 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] X&G "Screw-ups" (was Re: Seeds Of Faith] In a message dated 10/27/2002 2:25:36 AM Central Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > > As > > you suggested earlier, saving Gabs is way past "moral" -- so instinctive > to > > Xena that the ethical aspect may be in choosing the lesser of evil "by any > > means necessary" ways to do that. > > Hmm, maybe. I do just wish she didn't have this habit of saving Gabs from > whatever screw-up Gabs makes.... sooner or later she really should have > had > enough and permanently grounded Gabs. Which is to say, given her the elbow. > > But she never did. > Just out of curiosity, do you perceive Xena as being a "screw-up" when Gabs saved her? I'm thinking of when Xena was standing immobilized in SINS as her kinsfolk were about to stone her to death. Or when Xena didn't mention in GREATER GOOD that she'd been hit by a poison dart, so would've been skewered when she lay helplessly on the ground, had Gabs not knocked the bad guy's sword from his hands with her staff. Or when Xena pushed the girl out of the way in DESTINY instead of tackling her, so ended up being mortally injured and causing Gabs to drag her through the snow, only to decide to die anyway. Or when Xena took it upon herself to go up against Hope in SACRIFICE, foolishly never considering that Gabs might beat her to the punch. Or when she arrogantly turned her back on Najara in CRUSADER and got beaten to a pulp and would've been skewered had Gabs not come to her rescue. Or when Gabs went through hell and up high mountains in FIN and certainly put herself in a position to save Xena. My point is that Xena got herself in tons of situations that might've looked hopeless or silly to someone else, except we usually assumed she'd prevail. I don't see her reasons as any more honorable or logical than Gabrielle's reasons for getting into trouble. Indeed, as a warrior, Xena had even less reason to worry about "collateral damage" or doing the "right" vs. the expedient thing. If we're going to criticize Gabs for putting herself in harm's way, necessitating rescue by Xena, then I can't see why the same couldn't be said of Xena. Gabrielle was willing to put her life on the line without Xena's intervention. It was Xena's own protectiveness that made her decide Gabs had to live no matter what. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure Xena saved Gabrielle that many more times than the other way around -- not including the times when Xena ordered, "Get behind me." I'm pretty confident you'll see some distinction that makes Xena sensible and Gabs a screw-up in these situations. I'm interested to hear what that is. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 14:55:58 -0500 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Seeds Of Faith From: "cr" > I expect it varied from tribe to tribe, actually. The key words though being 'accidental death'. They might still have taken a *lot* of convincing that Desert Boy ending up with a knife in him was truly accidental. "I was cleaning it and it went off" only really works for guns ;) Oh I don't know I remember when Claudine Longet, a bad French singer, shot her boyfrined Spider Savage, a skier, up in Aspen Colorado, she was able to convince a jury she shot him three times by accident. I don't see why X & G couldn't have convinced someone of this since there was no earthy reason Gabrielle would want to kill DB. I just think the bedouins were so bound by the tradition of revenge that they wouldn't listen to reason. Actually it is one of the recurring themes in Missy Good's works that very often people that Xena and Gabrielle are trying to help are so obstinate or bigoted that they would accept help from people they find different from them or have different values than them. I believe the bedouins will eventually be defeated by Rome simply because at any given moment some one from either tribe will commit some other infaction and their alliance will be disolved. If Gabby 's flaw is that she let her concious get in the way of the greater good then bedouins thirst for revenge certainly got in the way of greater good also. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:55:32 -0500 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] <> # # # # # I remember when I first saw this episode it was at the Pasadena con in 2000. The crowd and I adored it. It was such a surprise when everyone broke out into the son War and the end where Lucy appears in Gabby's bikini great will child blew everyone away. When I got home I was sure Chakram would be full of praise for this episode instead a lot of people called it garbage and thought it was awful. Well I watched it again and it is still wonderful - it makes me happy. There is nothing profound going on here. Draco and the Amazon's are about to fight over Harpsichord's lyre when Xena, Gabrielle, and Joxer intervene. After a rousing rendition of "War" Xena decides that there will be a battle of the bands in the music capital of Greece, Melodia. From there on things get complicated. Jace, Joxer's flamboyant brother, shows up with his Disco revue. Joxer gets a crush on the lead Amazon. Gabrielle is fending off Draco who is still under Baby Bliss's spell and is becoming increasingly irrational about Gabrielle. Xena is suddenly confronted by Cyrene in full matchmaking mode. The episode unfolds much like an old fashion musical comedy - there is no explanation for everyone breaking out in song - it is just the way it is. We have an offbeat mixture of musical genres. We start off with classic rock n' roll segue into American musical comedy. The first big production number is the telephone scene from Bye Bye Birdie - now it is Getin Ready - it is a joyful well choreographic scene in the town square which end just as it did in the old Ann-Margaret movie in multi-split screen. We go on to Gabby's audition of the less talented musicians in Greece - do you notice that Gabby may have taken to drink on her table appears to be salt. a liquor bottle and many lemon slices (s/b limes but maybe NZ doesn't have limes). Draco now does a demented version of Always Something To Remind Me which is very funny and has the added of attraction of giving ROC the opportunity to be seen in a truly romantic light ( she and Draco do make a handsome couple too bad he is a warlord and nuts). Xena besieged by Cyrene's army of would be husbands convinces Cyrene that she and her friends can raise her baby with a great rendition of "Sisters Are Doing It For Themselves." there was criticism at the time because this number is done at a spa of some kind where the ladies of the choruses are scantily glad an obvious attempt at eye-candy sniffed the critics. But look at those women - they are women of all body types dancing away in confidence - it is more than just eye-candy it is woman just celebrating - it's terrific. Then at the concert Gabrielle come out to warn the crowd of bad sluvaki and to stay away from it (Woodstock homage). She is then kidnapped by Draco forced in a white bikini (I wonder how or who forced Gabby into this outfit) and trapped in a golden cage ( shades of the sixty's) while Draco does his best Jimmy Hendrix impression. As Gabby yells for a rock Xena comes to the rescue and defeats Draco in rap contest. Gabby escapes by diving into the mash pit and all is well. Everyone is reunited on stage for the finale - People Just Want to Be Free in true Vegas style . At the heart of this episode are two wonderful performances. Lucy is wonderful simply because she seems so happy - dancing and singing with gusto. She must have felt great doing this episode and topped it off one the great practical jokes of all time as seen in the credits - dancing out in ROC's white bikini. The other really good performance is Ted Raimi's Jace. Jace is Joxer's presumably gay brother - with his flamboyant style and faux Hispanic accents her is very funny but yet there is a real dignity to Jace. Unlike Joxer who is trying to be something his not, Jace has found his place and is happy. Jace for all his eccentricity is the more mature of the two brothers. Darren Takel' Cyrene is developing into a very loveable character. It is however odd to see her character extol the virtues of marriage to Xena since she offed Xena's dad with an ax - oh well mother's often put such things out of their minds when husband hunting for only daughters. ROC looks good her various costumes and is very good playing a rather confused Gabrielle - is she jealous that Joxer has found a new girlfriend - how perplexing? Jay Lagar'ia is funny as the inappositely amorous Draco (why didn't anyone think of simply going to Cupid and get the spell removed from Draco thus saving both him and Gabby a lot of trouble). Anyway this is one of my favorite episode. The only criticism I have is that we missed the the Beatle's song We Can Work It Out which is on the soundtract as a duet with Xena and Gabrielle. It is wonderful and too bad it didn't make it to the episode (the rumour was that USA Studio thought it was too "lesbian" whatever that means ) but frankly I can't fugure out where it would fit. Perhaps there was an argument between Gabby and Xena about Xena's Battle of the Bands Gabrielle's role as talent scout. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:33:27 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Seeds Of Faith On Monday 28 October 2002 08:55, Cheryl Ande wrote: > From: "cr" > > > I expect it varied from tribe to tribe, actually. The key words though > > being 'accidental death'. They might still have taken a *lot* of > convincing that Desert Boy ending up with a knife in him was truly > accidental. "I was cleaning it and it went off" only really works for > guns ;) > > Oh I don't know I remember when Claudine Longet, a bad French singer, shot > her boyfrined Spider Savage, a skier, up in Aspen Colorado, she was able to > convince a jury she shot him three times by accident. I don't see why X & > G couldn't have convinced someone of this since there was no earthy reason > Gabrielle would want to kill DB. I just think the bedouins were so bound > by the tradition of revenge that they wouldn't listen to reason. Or possibly they were just less inclined to be swayed by a pretty face than juries in Aspen, Colorado. ;) > Actually > it is one of the recurring themes in Missy Good's works that very often > people that Xena and Gabrielle are trying to help are so obstinate or > bigoted that they would accept help from people they find different from > them or have different values than them. I believe the bedouins will > eventually be defeated by Rome simply because at any given moment some one > from either tribe will commit some other infaction and their alliance will > be disolved. If Gabby 's flaw is that she let her concious get in the way > of the greater good then bedouins thirst for revenge certainly got in the > way of greater good also. > > CherylA That may be so, but if Gabby had kept her mouth shut the question wouldn't have arisen, would it? You've gotta work with what you've got. Xena had to work with the desert tribes, and so (IMO) should Gabby, if she'd wanted to be a help to Xena and not a liability. So I end up back with my position that she should have kept her mouth shut and wrestled with her conscience in private. I think we've gone full circle and will have to agree to disagree on this one. ;) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:25:10 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] X&G "Screw-ups" (was Re: Seeds Of Faith] On Monday 28 October 2002 08:29, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > > > > Hmm, maybe. I do just wish she didn't have this habit of saving Gabs > from whatever screw-up Gabs makes.... sooner or later she really should > > have had > > enough and permanently grounded Gabs. Which is to say, given her the > elbow. But she never did. > > Just out of curiosity, do you perceive Xena as being a "screw-up" when Gabs > saved her? I'm thinking of when Xena was standing immobilized in SINS as > her kinsfolk were about to stone her to death. Or when Xena didn't mention > in GREATER GOOD that she'd been hit by a poison dart, so would've been > skewered when she lay helplessly on the ground, had Gabs not knocked the > bad guy's sword from his hands with her staff. Or when Xena pushed the > girl out of the way in DESTINY instead of tackling her, so ended up being > mortally injured and causing Gabs to drag her through the snow, only to > decide to die anyway. Or when Xena took it upon herself to go up against > Hope in SACRIFICE, foolishly never considering that Gabs might beat her to > the punch. Or when she arrogantly turned her back on Najara in CRUSADER and > got beaten to a pulp and would've been skewered had Gabs not come to her > rescue. Or when Gabs went through hell and up high mountains in FIN and > certainly put herself in a position to save Xena. I think you've listed just about every instance of Gabs saving Xena, there. And I have to give her credit for those. Not that I'm about to start counting (unless you challenge me to), but I'm sure those would be outnumbered about ten-to-one by the occasions when Xena had to save Gabs. But what I really call 'screw-ups' are those occasions when Gabs gets herself into trouble by deliberately going against Xena's instructions, and causing Xena major trouble or suffering (Gurkhan being the instance that leaps most obviously to mind). Those being occasions when Xena could have handled the situation perfectly well by herself without interference from Gabs. Now I can't think of *any* occasion when Gabs could have handled the situation, and Xena interefered unnecessarily, and Gabs had to rescue her. > My point is that Xena got herself in tons of situations that might've > looked hopeless or silly to someone else, except we usually assumed she'd > prevail. I don't see her reasons as any more honorable or logical than > Gabrielle's reasons for getting into trouble. Indeed, as a warrior, Xena > had even less reason to worry about "collateral damage" or doing the > "right" vs. the expedient thing. The difference was, that when Xena got herself into situation, she was usually fully capable of getting herself out again. Whereas Gabs, especially up to the end of Season 4, was usually incapable of getting herself out again and had to be rescued by Xena. > If we're going to criticize Gabs for putting herself in harm's way, > necessitating rescue by Xena, then I can't see why the same couldn't be > said of Xena. Gabrielle was willing to put her life on the line without > Xena's intervention. It was Xena's own protectiveness that made her decide > Gabs had to live no matter what. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure > Xena saved Gabrielle that many more times than the other way around -- not > including the times when Xena ordered, "Get behind me." Oh dear, do I have to count them all? It would be a long list..... > I'm pretty > confident you'll see some distinction that makes Xena sensible and Gabs a > screw-up in these situations. I'm interested to hear what that is. > > -- Ife OK. When is it sensible? When Xena (or whoever, including on occasion Gabs) is the most capable person to do what is necessary. When is it a screw-up? When it is quite unnecessary, when the person doing it has no hope of carrying it out successfully, when they have to be rescued by someone else at great risk to that someone else... cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:05:10 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> On Monday 28 October 2002 09:55, Cheryl Ande wrote: > # > # > # > # > # > > I remember when I first saw this episode it was at the Pasadena con in > 2000. The crowd and I adored it. It was such a surprise when everyone > broke out into the son War and the end where Lucy appears in Gabby's bikini > great will child blew everyone away. When I got home I was sure Chakram > would be full of praise for this episode instead a lot of people called it > garbage and thought it was awful. Well I watched it again and it is still > wonderful - it makes me happy. Well, I kinda liked it. Not a great episode, and there are bits of it that don't interest me at all, but I think the cast had fun making it and it shows through. As to why it was unpopular - well, the gay fans were upset because of Joxer's gay-bashing of Jace, even though he was shown to be wrong to do so, the Gabfans were upset because Gabs was shown to be jealous of Joxer, and because of Draco's unwelcome attentions, the Joxerfans were upset because Amoria dumped Joxer for Draco, the feminists were upset because these Amazons appeared to rather like men... (I'm not making this up, I've seen all those complaints made). Makes me wonder how TPTB ever managed to make a complete season..... > Draco now does a demented version of Always Something To Remind Me > which is very funny and has the added of attraction of giving ROC the > opportunity to be seen in a truly romantic light ( she and Draco do make a > handsome couple too bad he is a warlord and nuts). I don't dare comment.... :) > Xena besieged by > Cyrene's army of would be husbands convinces Cyrene that she and her > friends can raise her baby with a great rendition of "Sisters Are Doing It > For Themselves." there was criticism at the time because this number is > done at a spa of some kind where the ladies of the choruses are scantily > glad an obvious attempt at eye-candy sniffed the critics. But look at those > women - they are women of all body types dancing away in confidence - it is > more than just eye-candy it is woman just celebrating - it's terrific. That was one of the two songs I did really like. For musical reasons, not the sight of two dozen Amazons in lingerie, I hasten to add. ;) > Then at the concert Gabrielle come out to warn the crowd of bad sluvaki and > to stay away from it (Woodstock homage). She is then kidnapped by Draco > forced in a white bikini (I wonder how or who forced Gabby into this > outfit) and trapped in a golden cage ( shades of the sixty's) while Draco > does his best Jimmy Hendrix impression. As Gabby yells for a rock Xena > comes to the rescue and defeats Draco in rap contest. Gabby escapes by > diving into the mash pit and all is well. Everyone is reunited on stage > for the finale - People Just Want to Be Free in true Vegas style . That was the other song I liked, very much. Just for the tune and the infectious enthusiasm. I would have liked to see Amoria feature more prominently in it.... > > Darren Takel' Cyrene is developing into a very loveable character. It is > however odd to see her character extol the virtues of marriage to Xena > since she offed Xena's dad with an ax - oh well mother's often put such > things out of their minds when husband hunting for only daughters. Perfectly true. And she can't quite let go of the 'mother' thing... Cyrene: "You've always danced to the beat of your own drum, Xena. I suppose it would be foolish of me to stop you now." X: "Thanks, Mom." Cyr: "Now, who did you say the father was?" And her efforts inspired one of the great lines of the ep, from Xena: "Well, make it snappy. I've got a lot of single Greek losers to turn down." > ROC > looks good her various costumes and is very good playing a rather confused > Gabrielle - is she jealous that Joxer has found a new girlfriend - how > perplexing? A perfectly normal human reaction, actually. As was the fact that she didn't get much sympathy from Xena. Xena: "Well, hey, if _you're_ not gonna take him, it's not fair of you to stop someone _else_ from tryin?" > Jay Lagar'ia is funny as the inappositely amorous Draco (why > didn't anyone think of simply going to Cupid and get the spell removed from > Draco thus saving both him and Gabby a lot of trouble). Well, Cupid hadn't been seen since A Comedy of Eros.... IIRC, he was never seen again on the series. Maybe he just wasn't readily accessible at the time. My absolute favourite guest was Amoria - Gillian Iliana Waters. Absolutely gorgeous. Now that's a chick and a half. ;-) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V2 #296 **************************************