From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #279 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Wednesday, October 9 2002 Volume 02 : Number 279 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] <> ["Daniel T. Miller" ] [chakram-refugees] sneak peek of bonus item in Kit 6 ["Creation (Sharon D] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 01:12:59 -0500 From: "Daniel T. Miller" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> On Sun, 6 Oct 2002 21:26:40 EDT KLOSSNER9@aol.com writes: > /Actually, Xena had most of the really good lines in this ep, I > think. > /Barman [Snickers]: "Milk?!" > /Xena: "I said milk! What, am I over-age?" > > That was a reference to a famous scene in an old Western. The > white-hat, straight-arrow cowboy goes into a tough saloon and orders > milk. All the rough, tough, mean cowboys laugh at him. But he > beats > up the toughest of the mean cowboys. That was in a Roy Rogers film. > > Boeotian > Also, the 50s 3-screen epic, "How The West Was Won." George Peppard orders it after coming in from a grueling cavalry patrol. But that bit had been used so much by the 50s, it had already probably seeped into our. . . public domain unconsciousness? (hey, it's late) I remember the scene from this movie, because it actually gave an explanation for why that type of bar would stock milk. Peppard is starved but he doesn't want to take his eyes off any of the floor show! ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 01:16:11 +1300 From: cr Subject: [chakram-refugees] Helicon - the way it should have been? I was just arguing on another list about the tactics in Helicon and I thought I might try my ramblings out on the military experts on this list ;) > Hell, if Bellerophon was going to attack the Amazon camp again, that gave > them the perfect chance for an ambush. He was only impregnable while he > stayed in his castle. Siege tactics would work. Amazons surround the > castle in the forest and pick off anyone who pokes their nose far outside > the walls. That's what Amazons were supposed to be *good* at. That's > what bows and arrows are good at. Fighting in forests with lots of > cover. Armed men on horseback lose most of their advantage in a forest. > Head-on attacks against a fortified castle was *not* what Amazons were good > at. Just to elaborate on that.... consider a pine forest (which is what Bellerophon's castle was in). A few narrow tracks through it, which horses could use, but above all lots of trees close together and plenty of cover. The whole place is built for ambushes. The ground is sandy soil, easy to dig, and covered by a thick carpet of pine needles and fallen branches. Horses have to use the tracks because they can't easily pick their way between the trees without knocking their riders off on the branches, in fact the way the branches interlock they'd have trouble getting through the trees at all, and the thick carpet of pine needles hides the fallen branches that can trip them up or break their legs. They *cannot* go fast through this stuff, probably not even as fast as someone on foot can walk. (This is based on my observations of the little forest that Helicon was actually filmed in, btw. The fight you saw on screen took place in a clearing). To set an ambush, just dig a few shallow trenches across the track, a few inches deep and a couple of feet apart, and jam into the bottom of the trench sharp broken pine branches a few inches long. Cover with pine needles. This will stop any troop of mounted horsemen dead in their tracks. (Sorry, horselovers). Then set up your archers each side of the track, 20 yards back behind the trees. Set another contingent of archers in waiting, 200 yards back along the track (and if you can equip them with some light pine trunks with branches trimmed into sharp spikes the better). As soon as the horsemen are well past them, they drag the branches across the track and wait. Now there's no escape for the horsemen. They can't go forward, if they go back they run into the blockade, and all the while they're being sniped at from the shelter of the trees. If they try to ride into the forest they're a big slow-moving target. And heavily armed or amoured men can't move fast or quietly in a pine forest, and armour is no protection against arrows fired from close range. With just a little bit of luck and intelligent planning, the Amazons should have been able to massacre Bellerophon's men instead of the other way around. This is how Robin Hood and his gang was able to evade the Sheriff of Nottingham's well-armed troops for so long. No way would mounted knights or men-at-arms want to venture into a forest against archers who knew the place. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:35:55 -0500 From: Lilli Sprintz Subject: [chakram-refugees] counting sheep Ife said, Hmmm, does Gab throwing the net over Xena's head at the beginning of Endgame count? Yes it does ! : ) (sorry, meredith, for the one liner) Lilli ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:45:16 -0700 From: "Creation (Sharon Delaney)" Subject: [chakram-refugees] sneak peek of bonus item in Kit 6 I just picked out the bonus item for kit 6. It will give you an idea of the fun Lucy and Renee had filming Coffee Talk 2 http://www.creationent.com/outback/fanclubs/index.html Sharon Official Xena Fan Club ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V2 #279 **************************************