From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #278 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Tuesday, October 8 2002 Volume 02 : Number 278 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] counting "sheep" [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] [cr ] [chakram-refugees] Valasca as siren [] [chakram-refugees] counting sheep [Lilli Sprintz ] [chakram-refugees] [chakra-mrefugees] Whoosh is on the way! [KLOSSNER9@ao] Re: [chakram-refugees] [KLOSSNER9@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] counting sheep [IfeRae@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] Nathaniel Lees in Lost World [KLOSSNER9@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] LOST WORLD [cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaScola)] Re: [chakram-refugees] [meredith ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:56:54 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> On Monday 07 October 2002 14:26, KLOSSNER9@aol.com wrote: > /Actually, Xena had most of the really good lines in this ep, I think. > /Barman [Snickers]: "Milk?!" > /Xena: "I said milk! What, am I over-age?" > > That was a reference to a famous scene in an old Western. The > white-hat, straight-arrow cowboy goes into a tough saloon and orders > milk. All the rough, tough, mean cowboys laugh at him. But he beats > up the toughest of the mean cowboys. That was in a Roy Rogers film. > > Boeotian Ah, another successful steal by TPTB. And why not. I loved the Butch Cassidy ref in OAAA. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:39:28 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] counting "sheep" On Monday 07 October 2002 13:57, mirrordrum wrote: > > > > What do you do when you come to a letter for which there isn't an > > episode? Like, umm, Q or X? Do you cheat and leave out the odd 'the' in > > the title? > > yes, i meant to say that i usually ignore articles. since it's my game, i > make up the rules. Well, why not? It's not your fault there are some letters missing, and if the rules need a minor amendment to make the game feasible, go for it! > in almost everything i've used from animals to > vegetables to song titles there's always at lesat one letter i can't think > of an item for. i puzzle for awhile and if i'm still awake, i move on. or i > may see if i can think of an item that has that letter in it somewhere. > xena's nice for characters as one has more "x" alternatives than anything > else i can think of. also a "q" word which is always satisfactory. > like remembering "quince" when i do fruits & veggies. And for animals? Umm, there's always the Quagga. (Quiescent memories of Scrabble drift queasily through cr's brain...) > > cr > > ... obsessive as always > > thelo, it wouldn't be you without you obsessed. > > md Yep, people like that about me. At least, I think they do. D'you suppose that's why they always smile at me while they're backing away... ? cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:13:04 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] On Monday 07 October 2002 10:28, Cheryl Ande wrote: > # > # > # > # > ## > > > This episode is one of those hat has grown on me over time. I didn't much > care for it the first time I saw it but now I have grown quite fond of it. > > The opening has some nice banter between Xena and Gabrielle, as Gabby looks > for mushrooms to cure Xena's morning sickness. As Gabby points out Xena is > happy because she can laugh at herself ( Xena commenting on her expanding > waistline: Ugh I fell like a slug). Things get serious when Xena suffers > terrible cramps and at the healer's hut has a terrifying vision of a tiny > skeleton ripping through her stomach (a vivid warning about eating strange > mushrooms). That was really *good* special FX. And maybe a 'homage' to 'Alien'. > Xena know this is some kind of premonition and with Americe in > tow, she and Gabrielle head out to the northern Amazons. As someone commented, this is real sensible. But typical Warrior Princess. There is *evil* and danger in Siberia, so what does she do? - she goes straight there. > There they meet up with Yakut the young shameness Xena left in charge in > AITST (Otere, the queen, is oddly no where to be found). What's another Amazon Queen more or less. Just another bit of roadkill under the chariot wheels of history.... ;) > Gabby now goes into a trance - she has mixed her blood with the stags and > Xena's (in order to be tied to the real world) and drinks. The trances in > this episode are one of my biggest gripes of the episode - there are three > trances in the episode and they go on forever - Gabrielle's lasts 30 > seconds and the others at least 20 second (I timed them). They are just a > hodge podge of images that seem like time wasters and they give the > impression that they are fillers. And some of the animal images that popped up were bizarre - "What the heck is *that* doing there?" > Finally Gabrielle awakens in the spirit > world. The spirit world scenes are well done visually - the color is just > a bit off and with the freezing of the action now and then giving them a > feel of unreality . That was *really* good. The way part of the action froze and Gabs kept moving. Surreal. (They did the same when Ares appeared in the battle scene in Eternal Bonds. I'd love to know just how they did that. I don't think they just told everybody to stay really really still. ) > > Things do not go well for Gabrielle in the spirit world. Alti makes her > present known to Gabby in spectacular manner with one the best lines in the > Xenaverse: " Why isn't it Xena's little bitch. Welcome to the dog pound". > The lines are delivered with lip smacking relish by Claire Stanisfield and > the subtextual implications are mind boggling but yet there is still > deniability here, perhaps Alti is just saying Gabby is Xena's lap dog and > nothing more. That's exactly how I took it. And Alti is so _good_ at being evil. > Meanwhile at Chi'ia's lair Gabrielle is going to learn another secret. > Americe is being her own rather sweet smart ass self about scary mistics > when Chi'ia pops up lets off a bombshell. Americe is not a true Amazon and > she can't be allowed to get the amber. When Americe leaves Gabrielle, a > true Amazon, is allowed access to the sacred tree. Outside of the cave > Gabrielle comforts the distraught Americe. Americe admits that she took > the identity of the Amazons because she had no identity. Gabrielle then > gives her a bit of wisdom: When she joined Xena she was always in Xena's > shadow trying to be like her but Xena taught her it is warmer in the > sunshine - in other words don't try to be something you're not be yourself. I *hated* that.... but I've been over that before. > Back at the Amazon camp Gabby finds out about the baby and desperate plan > is conceived. They decide to trick Alti - using all the mind power of > Amazons Xena enters the spirit world and tricks Alti into believing she has > been partially resurrected. That was a really neat effect when Xena peels her face off. And a very clever double-cross on Alti. (Lucy had obviously never seen that until watching the clip in the titles of FIN.... on the commentary track, she gives a quite spontaneous "Oooh!" at that shot.) > Alto's boned have joined together and is a > ghastly skeleton but when she won't give the baby's soul back Xena reveals > herself as a much prettier skeleton. I think maybe it was that Xena's skeleton was 'new' and Alti's was pretty moth-eaten. > There is then a pretty good CGI fight They did it before in Herc - Once a Hero, IIRC. And I believe the original idea was a steal from Ray Harryhausen, though I don't know the movie. > With issues resolved Gabrielle and Xena take leave of their respective > students. Gabrielle shows Americe her Amazon necklace that has stone for > all her sisters and that she has added one for her because Americe is a > true Amazon. Americe says will stay with the Northern Amazons to learn > their ways. I was sorry to see Amarice go - she was a wonderful cynical > presence in this episode - she just couldn't get a gasp on all that all > that chanting and dancing. She was a wonderful cynical presence in *all* episodes (except maybe Animal Attraction where Armon stole about 50 of her IQ points...) > Now this is not perfect episode. As I said the trances were too long and > there was also some kind of conflict I gather between Steven L. Sears and > the new predictive consultants Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman. Steven > Sears wrote this episode but had his name removed and the pseudonym Buddy > Williers was used. The rumor has always been that Orci and Kutzman was > unhappy with the subtext in this episode. Something must have been cut > because of the long trance scenes - I can't believ they would waste that > much film on nonsense. > > Orci and Kurtzman have been blamed for problems with the fifth season and > although I liked much of the season I understand the criticisms. I wonder how much of this is just 'looking for a scapegoat'. I've seen O&K blamed for the shortcomings episodes they had nothing to do with. There were all sorts of problems or criticisms of other eps but nobody seemed to say "Oh, directed by Bruce Campbell, no wonder it stinks" (Key to the Kingdom), or "R J Stewart - what a crummy writer" (Forgiven). (Just two examples). > My second criticism is the costuming. No body, except Claire, looks > comfortable in their Amazon clothes. Unlike (IMO) Sin Trade, where LL looked great in her furs. > Kate Elliot also > looks uncomfortable in her costume and in fact seemed stiff and awkward in > the role. I think she was trying to play the role with too much dignity and > somehow lost the soul of that scruffy kid she was in Sin Trade. Yes, I could hardly credit it was the same actress. I liked her a heck of a lot in Sin Trade, she seemed natural and a bit naive, in Them Bones she just seemed a lot older but also kinda stuck-up. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 12:24:27 -0400 From: Subject: [chakram-refugees] Valasca as siren Yep that was Melinda Clark as the demon. I haven't watched Charmed for a while and by accident surfed by and there she was. BTW I will have to start watching it again it was pretty good. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 13:23:07 -0500 From: Lilli Sprintz Subject: [chakram-refugees] counting sheep thanks everyone for visiting the tavern : ) ! mirrordrum said, "a great fave is to try to go through the alphabet naming characters starting with each letter: ares, borias, callisto, draco, eli and so forth." Fun! I do some of the same things. As CR also said, there are some tricky ones. I am so proud when i can remember a "q" name, like "the quest" after several hard minutes of trying to keep my brain occupied enough to sleep. Another xena list i've started working on (sleeping on) is the fishing scenes. or references thereof. Lilli ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:20:25 EDT From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] [chakra-mrefugees] Whoosh is on the way! The Whoosh issue for Oct. has not appeared yet. This is the first time they have been late. I have been assured that this is a temproary computer glitch and not a more serious problem. Boeotian ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:26:18 EDT From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] /They did it before in Herc - Once a Hero, IIRC. And I believe the /original idea was a steal from Ray Harryhausen, though I don't know the movie. There were skeleton vs. human fights in the first and third of Harryhausen's three Sinbad films, in The Seventh Voyage of Sinbad (1958) and Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger (1977), but not in The Golden Voyage of Sinbad (1973). He never had a skelton vs. skeleton fight. That was Tapert's oneupmanship move. Boeotian ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:34:36 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] counting sheep In a message dated 10/07/2002 1:24:36 PM Central Daylight Time, spri0037@tc.umn.edu writes: << Another xena list i've started working on (sleeping on) is the fishing scenes. >> Oooo, the beginning of The Price. Fins, Femmes, of course, and ADITL. And I think Xena's giving helpful fishing hints at the beginning of that early biblical ep where we first see Karl Urban. Hmmm, does Gab throwing the net over Xena's head at the beginning of Endgame count? - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:59:51 EDT From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Nathaniel Lees in Lost World Nathaniel Lees (Nicklio, several other parts in Xena and Herc) is listed in the credits for Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's The Lost World, the miniseries on A&E this week. He plays "Chief." Part 2 is on tonight and the whole thing is repeated Sat. afternoon. Boeotian ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:57:20 -0400 (EDT) From: cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaScola) Subject: [chakram-refugees] LOST WORLD I just spied "Nicklios" and I think "Chelapa" Cheryl ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 21:07:27 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Hi, cr responded: >They did it before in Herc - Once a Hero, IIRC. And I believe the >original idea was a steal from Ray Harryhausen, though I don't know the movie. Actually, that scene was Tapert ripping himself off ... he did it in _Army of Darkness_ (though I would imagine that was a Harryhausen homage to begin with). > > Orci and Kurtzman have been blamed for problems with the fifth season and > > although I liked much of the season I understand the criticisms. > >I wonder how much of this is just 'looking for a scapegoat'. I've seen O&K >blamed for the shortcomings episodes they had nothing to do with. The more I watch (and love) _Alias_ (which is their latest gig), the more I think they just didn't fit the material. I don't think their vision for what kind of show X:WP should be matched Tapert et al.'s vision. 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