From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #269 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Sunday, September 29 2002 Volume 02 : Number 269 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] Xena Lives!..... as a Goddess Spirit [Wizdym4@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 22:49:11 EDT From: Wizdym4@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Xena Lives!..... as a Goddess Spirit I enjoy so much reading this list!.... There's plenty of wonderfully=20 intelligent analysis of XWP, which was indeed a remarkable production.=20 There's also thoughtful reflection on what effect the mythos of Xena has had= =20 in our lives. For example I just copied below some comments from yesterday's= =20 digest. I notice that these comments have acknowledged that Xena has a=20 special, transcendent quality ...and this resonates in me. I'll discuss this= =20 further below the following excerpts:=20 Lisla wrote: >But I think Xena is very much alive. Vesper wrote, "We could bring Xena to our daily lives and discuss about it.= =20 For example, what does she mean to us? Why do we like her? Does she help us=20 in anything? How? Have we ever been in trouble, and thought, =E2=80=9CI can= =E2=80=99t carry=20 on, it=E2=80=99s too much difficult, there is no solution...=E2=80=9D ,and a= ll of a sudden=20 you remembered Xena, perhaps a special episode, a special scene and then you= =20 thought, =E2=80=9CHey, Xena and Gabrielle don=E2=80=99t think this way, ther= e=E2=80=99s always a=20 solution, a hope.. why am I down?..=E2=80=9D Then you become stronger and ge= t up your=20 face and start trying again.. Or anybody use to do those comparisons? Only=20 think about Xena as a tv program? How many times does Xena looked up to the=20 sky to see the stars? I guess few, however that was an usual ancient custom=20 because they didn=E2=80=99t have any watch or calendar like we have.. And we= forgot=20 there is a sky above us, there are stars, mystery.. and mythology! Then Xena= =20 is there too. Aphrodite is there as the Venus planet. We can bring a specifi= c=20 problem and discuss about it, what should Xena and Gabrielle do to solve it?= =20 Past and present are related.. things that people were used to do in the pas= t=20 we are still doing.. different names although the same essence.=20 Kings/presidents, Gods/God... what else? What changed?? Well, only suggestions.. :) But you=E2=80=99re right, you can=E2=80=99t make= people get up=20 and get moving. It must come from each one. Re said, "Well of course I still watch that show. It's one of my 'bibles'.=20 *G* I think=20 all the important lessons of life can be learned through Xena. Acceptance of= =20 others, the idea of redeeming oneself, loving who you love no matter the=20 consequence, loving who you love *completely*, hold nothing back, carpe=20 diem, giving life your all, forgiveness of others. . . I could go on and on.= =20 . . Xena is so much more than that campy little fiction show a lot of people= =20 think it is. I know this. You know this. My object in life is to convert=20 people to the cult of Xena. *VBG* Well think about it - why do people=20 convert people to other religeons? To make their life fuller. Or to save=20 their souls. Xena has made my life so much fuller. Given me so much more than I can ever=20 give back. Introduced me to lifelong friends, given me a sense of hope at=20 times, made my days brighter. I don't think I would go quite so far as to=20 say Xena has saved my soul. But I will say that at one point I was manic=20 depressive, and Xena was the only thing that I looked forward to every week.= =20 Was the only string that kept me realizing that things are shitty sometimes,= =20 yes, but they get better. We hurt. We overcome. We move on. If I hadn't had=20 it. . .I seriously doubt I would be here today. And that might seem=20 ridiculous to some, but it's true. Xena was there through a lot of times in=20 my life when other people weren't. That means a helluva lot to me.">>> Perhaps it's because of a very close brush with death and brain=20 damage that I had when I was a child that had developed in me a deep persona= l=20 faith in God and a strong interest in religious philosphy, and how various=20 people throughout history have related in various ways to the Divine energy=20 of what is commonly called "God". This Divine Energy, The Force, if you will= ,=20 we all may call different names in whatever language, and see as having one,= =20 or the other gender. Below is some excerpts I've copied from another online=20 list I belong to called "Sophia's Digest", which talk about how the Divine i= s=20 percieved. Below which I intend to tie this into Xena. > <<< my higher self" and that you "mistook her for Jesus" and then realized=20 > "She was Christ." >=20 > Let me suggest that the *reverse* is the Reality! ( ;) i know, it's=20 > just shifting conceptual paradigms...) -- that your "higher self" is a=20 > projection of *Her* (Protennoia, who i call "Shekhina*Sophia") -- & that=20 > "Christ" was always *Her" -- seen by humanity in Her male aspect! >=20 > "So now, O Sons of the Thought, listen to me, to the Speech of the=20 > Mother of your mercy, for you have become worthy of the mystery hidden=20 > from the beginning of the Aeons, so that you might receive it. <...> >=20 > "I am androgynous. <...> I am the Womb that gives shape to the All by=20 > giving birth to the Light that shines in splendor. I am the Aeon to=20 > come. I am the fulfillment of the All, that is, Meirothea, the glory of=20 > the Mother. I cast voiced Speech into the ears of those who know me." =20 > --Trimorphic Protennoia >=20 > i've been quoting from the translation in the 3rd edition of THE NAG=20 > HAMMADI LIBRARY -- but a more recent translation (by Daniel R. McBride)=20 > -- & perhaps a better translation? -- (i have yet to do a line-by-line=20 > comparison to see where the variances might be) can be accessed here: >=20 > http://colba.net/~drmcb/Egyptian%20Gnosis/Translations/Tractate1.html>>> >=20 >=20 It makes sense to me that we who relate in a *special* way to Xena=20 could use the well-loved image of Xena as our personal image we can use when= =20 we relate to the Divine, whether to our Guardian Angel, the Christ or The=20 Goddess. For years I had wrestled with wondering what name of the Goddess I=20 should choose as my own and had finally chosen "Isis", yet, ancient as it is= ,=20 it doesn't resonate with the energy that Xena does. And then there's the=20 question of what image of Isis I should use in visualizations, for I had=20 learned that visualization is most important, as a matter-of-fact, that's=20 what all of religion is there for; to enhance our visualization. Why not=20 choose an image of the Divinity that we feel very comfortable with, admire,=20 and is "bigger -than-life". I urge others here to join me in embracing Xena=20 as their Goddess. I apologize if this seems like prostelethizing. I wonder=20 what you all think of this....=20 ...................>>>>>>>>>>Xena Lives!!!!!!!!!!..........>>>>>>>Carmon=20 Return-path: From: Wizdym4@aol.com Full-name: Wizdym4 Message-ID: <17c.f3de7d2.2ac7850a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 18:19:54 EDT Subject: Sophia...image To: Wizdym4@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10641 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain You wrote that you later realized that "the goddess was a projection of my higher self" and that you "mistook her for Jesus" and then realized "She was Christ." Let me suggest that the *reverse* is the Reality! ( ;) i know, it's just shifting conceptual paradigms...) -- that your "higher self" is a projection of *Her* (Protennoia, who i call "Shekhina*Sophia") -- & that "Christ" was always *Her" -- seen by humanity in Her male aspect! "So now, O Sons of the Thought, listen to me, to the Speech of the Mother of your mercy, for you have become worthy of the mystery hidden from the beginning of the Aeons, so that you might receive it. <...> "I am androgynous. <...> I am the Womb that gives shape to the All by giving birth to the Light that shines in splendor. I am the Aeon to come. I am the fulfillment of the All, that is, Meirothea, the glory of the Mother. I cast voiced Speech into the ears of those who know me." - --Trimorphic Protennoia i've been quoting from the translation in the 3rd edition of THE NAG HAMMADI LIBRARY -- but a more recent translation (by Daniel R. McBride) - -- & perhaps a better translation? -- (i have yet to do a line-by-line comparison to see where the variances might be) can be accessed here: http://colba.net/~drmcb/Egyptian%20Gnosis/Translations/Tractate1.html ~~cheers! ~~norman ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V2 #269 **************************************