From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #265 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Wednesday, September 25 2002 Volume 02 : Number 265 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] LOL from O2 [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Chakram the real one [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [cr ] [chakram-refugees] RE: Americe [] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [] Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Chakram the real one [Meredith Tarr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] LOL from O2 On Tuesday 24 September 2002 04:14, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/23/02 2:43:44 AM Central Daylight Time, > cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > > << IMO, Amarice had shown herself more worthy to be an honorary Amazon than > anyone except, possibly, Xena. And the silly old bat in the cave, if she > could 'see' so much, should have known that. Actually, if they were > going to go with that theme, they should have let Amarice do something > daring and worthy to prove the old bat wrong, rather than just "You're not > an Amazon, sod off. Gabby can have the magic goop" "OK". And maybe > Gabby could then have convinced the old bat to recognise Amarice's worth. > That would have done them both credit rather than making Amarice an object > of Gabby's charity. > > > To me, Amarice was only a step above Tara -- another wannabe who had guts > and determination, but not the discipline or wisdom they could learn from > X&G. No, very big difference. Tara (who I also quite liked) was just a mixed-up kid with not much future. She might have pulled out of it by herself but probably would have met with a sad end. Amarice *knew* what she wanted to be - an Amazon warrior - and was pretty good at it, too. IMO she would have learned wisdom (if she survived long enough!) without Xena or Gabs' help. Which raises the question - how did one get to be an Amazon? Did one have to be born one? (Umm, if the Amazons had no men, where did little Amazons come from? Never mind). To put it another way, surely Amarice could have applied to join a tribe; and with her enthusiasm and fighting abilities, I think she would have met the requirements easily enough. > They were both "pretenders" who had the good sense to finally listen > to those who could teach them something -- particularly humility. Gab was > good at seeing into people's hearts, which is what she did with Amarice. I > don't think she saw Gab's act as charity, so much as a genuine desire to > make Amarice a part of the Amazon family she always aspired to. Umm, no, *I* said it was 'charity'. I think Amarice appreciated it in the spirit it was intended. I'm not 'running down' Gabby's actions, just disappointed that Amarice wasn't given the chance to prove that she was a worthy Amazon. I think by then, Amarice respected Gabby - though whether she would have respected her if Gabby hadn't shown her new fighting side in Chakram is another question. > And > Amarice showed maturity by acknowledging that she had a lot more to learn, > which she would do by becoming a responsible member of the Northern tribe, > rather than try to pal around with X&G as an equal. I also wouldn't have > minded TPTB doing more with Amarice's potential, but I guess the actress's > other obligations cut that short. > > -- Ife Unfortunately, yes. I wonder if that rather unsatisfactory (IMO!) development in Them Bones was written in at short notice when Jennifer Sky got the part of Cleo. Aside from not doing Amarice justice (IMO) it also seemed rather sudden. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:13:58 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> On Tuesday 24 September 2002 01:02, cande@sunlink.net wrote: (Be Deviled): > > Actually that is one of my favorite Hercules epsiodes. I guess if you > spend all that money on demons for Xena you got use them on your other > series too. I kept wondering if Xerxos was going to crash into a tree ;-) > As for Xena's make being over done - yeah I agree a bit. I > did however like Gabby's demon - it was a strange comination of cute ugly > anyway it seemed to match ROC better than Lucy's make-up. > > CherylA It was better than LL's I think, partly because it was (IMO) less overdone. Ditto Callisto's, of course. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:44:21 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Chakram the real one On Tuesday 24 September 2002 10:29, Cheryl Ande wrote: > cr asked: > "why did the chakram allow callisto to catch it on several occasions? > was it fickle? disloyal? or just bored?" > > (ROTFL!!) > > Interesting question indeed. Since we know the Chakram that Xena original > had was the dark chakram, it maybe that it was attracted to "dark" > personalities. That although it knew it belonged to Xena it could also be > used against its will by another dark force. Hence when it struck Xena > down in Ides it shattered by its own volition in an act of remorse. Certainly the chacky did seem to be 'psychically' linked to Xena in some way. > Now > the new chakram could be caught not only by Xena and Gabrielle but also by > Eve (Motherhood and Coming Home). Since it was a balance of light and dark > it could be used by those individuals who now had that balance. Gabrielle > by the end of FIN now was made up of equal parts of light and dark thus she > now could use it too. The chakram of course was Xena's weapon but if we > accept the premises that Xena will always be with Gabrielle the chakram is > still some way still with its primary mistress. > > CherylA Hmm, yes. And there's another possibility - that either Gabby didn't have enough 'dark' to balance things, (or else after her death), the chacky split again - which would possibly account for the broken dark chacky in Ares tomb in The Xena Scrolls. On the other hand, there's the yin-yang chacky that the modern-day Alti bought from that dealer in Clones, which contradicts that. But of course that's not the biggest YAXI about that ep, the dealer also sold Alti a hair each from Gabs and Xena. A hair? After Friend in Need? Maybe Gabby was the sentimental sort and saved a lock of Xena's hair when she cremated her body..... Ummm.... cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:04:45 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> On Tuesday 24 September 2002 10:39, Cheryl Ande wrote: > # > # > # > # > # > # > > This isn't a bad episode nothing particularly exciting either. It serves > mainly to introduce 5th season themes. You're rampaging through the eps now, aren't you Cheryl? Actually, I liked Chakram muchly. One of my favourites from S5. > Action Gabby now comes into her own. Sporting a new pair of leather duds > and new weapons Gabby becomes a full-fledge warrior and ROC is ready to > take over in the action department for Lucy as Julius gets gestated. It is > just a little disconcerting to see Gabby kill without so much as twinge > but it is not only necessary for the series but it makes sense for the > character. What was more disconcerting was, *how* did she know how to do it? Had she been taking warrior lessons in secret all the time she was pretending to follow the Way of Peace? (That's not a serious suggestion btw). I think Gabs' instant ability constitutes a rather large YAGI. > Gabrielle has a new attitude - she no longer fixated on the > state of her soul and she has a new commitment to and respect for Xena. That was a welcome relief after the 'Way of Peace'. Actually Gabby became much less irritating in Season 5. > I particularly liked the part where Gabrielle recognizes that Xena's > darkness is a necessary if she is to fight for good. When Gabrielle tells > Xena that in order to know oneself you have know the darkest part of > oneself, it is now the voice of experience. Gabrielle who for most of 4th > season tried to escape the darkness in herself embraces it now and uses it > to defend Xena and be a true partner to her. > The secondary characters also get some new plotlines. Joxer declares his > love for to a disconcerted Gabrielle and of course that becomes a running > them for season 5. Americe has real potential for Gabby's sidekick - I > love the astonishment on her face when she watches peacenik Gabby kick butt Errrm, excuse me, *whose* sidekick? You just put that in to get us Xenafans going, didn't you? ;-) > (it reminded me of those movies from the 1940s when the boss watches his > dowdy secretary whip off her glasses, take down her hair and shazzam it's > Lana Turner). Kevin Smith is back as Ares after being missing for most of > the 4th season and he is in rare form. I love his bathtub scene with the > innocent Xena - he is doing so good until he is suddenly mesmerized by > Xena's breasts. Yes, that was great.... the War God was trying to remember what he started out to say and was getting seriously distracted. Who wouldn't be? > We also see just the beginning of an interest dynamic > between him and Gabrielle - Ares is just starting to see Gabrielle as > possibly more than that "irritating blonde". I always looked forward to > the smirks that ROC and KS exchanged whenever their characters got the > upper-hand over the other. I didn't see that in this ep - not until Succession. So far as I could see, Ares was totally interested in Xena in this ep, including the fight in the temple at the end. As always, half-angry at Xena for defying him, half-admiring her for doing just excatly that. > Lucy does a good job as the innocent Xena. Again Lucy can bring such > vulnerability to her character that she is believable as an innocent. > There is a great scene where Amarice is going hunting and Xena like an > enthusiastic child wants to go with her and America angrily tells her to > grow-up - Lucy has such a look of hurt and embarrassment on her face that > you just feel sorry for her. I did, but I also liked Amarice's reaction. She was just hurt and upset that her hero Xena had lost her experience and ability and it all came out in that outburst. And then she immediately regretted it. Nicely acted, by both of them, I thought. > The other nice thing about the > characterization is that innocent doesn't equate with stupid - Xena saves > her friends from Kal's thugs by dropping the gate and she escapes from Kal, > thus depriving us of ever finding out what scathingly brilliant plan > Gabrielle had come up with (I liked Gabrielle's astonished look when she > actually thought of the plan herself). That was so, *but* it was such a relief at the end of the ep when Xena got her dark side back. That fight in the temple was a joy to behold. > The other major character is Kal, a hitherto unknown war god from "these > parts". Of course we have no idea where these parts are - I assume Italy > therefore was he Etruscan war god - we never find out. Nor do we ever find > out why Xena lost her dark side - did Eli get the spell wrong, did Callisto > play a little joke, was she manipulated by one of the war gods - we will > never know. > > Also this episode introduces the new chakram. It will never hold the > affection of the fans like the old one did (indeed Lucy kept the old one > when the show was over). Yep, the old one was just so cool. And beautiful in its design. > It was kind of nifty though - I liked that it > could be broken apart and used separately, oddly enough that little twist > never was used much in the show. I still wish we could have had one > episode that told us how Xena got her chakram. Did Ares give it to her or > did she steal it from him? I guess that goes into my file of "episodes I > wish they had made". I would have loved to see that, too. I recall there was some disappointment among fans who had assumed it would be a 'flashback' ep that told that story. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:36:05 -0400 From: Subject: [chakram-refugees] RE: Americe Ife wrote: "To me, Amarice was only a step above Tara -- another wannabe who had guts and determination, but not the discipline or wisdom they could learn from X&G. They were both "pretenders" who had the good sense to finally listen to those who could teach them something -- particularly humility." Oh I think you are a little hard on Americe. She is much more than a wannabe - - she is very good warrior and if she doesn't qualify to be an Amazon I don't know who would. Yes she does lack discipline and she has the arrogance of youth but that's why both Xena and Gabrielle would have made good mentors for her. "Gab was good at seeing into people's hearts, which is what she did with Amarice. I don't think she saw Gab's act as charity, so much as a genuine desire to make Amarice a part of the Amazon family she always aspired to." Gabrielle I am sure remembers her own awkward entrance in the Amazon world. I think she genuinely believse that Amarice is an Amazon but more than that I think she sees Amarice need to belong. Her "adoption" by Gabrielle was more than an acto of kindness - it is a rememberance of when a kid from Potadiea hops on the back of Argo and is "adopted" by a certain warrior princess. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:49:09 -0400 From: Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:04:45 +1200 cr wrote: "What was more disconcerting was, *how* did she know how to do it? Had she been taking warrior lessons in secret all the time she was pretending to follow the Way of Peace? (That's not a serious suggestion btw). I think Gabs' instant ability constitutes a rather large YAGI." Well I thought of that too but I figure she picked-up a few pointers from Xena over the years just by observation. Perhaps some that Archangel mojo remind in Gabrielle when she was broght back to life. She was a pretty fast learner with the staff maybe sais come with an instruction scroll or she has quick demonstration at the sai shop. "Errrm, excuse me, *whose* sidekick? You just "put that in to get us Xenafans going, didn't you? ;-)" Uhm actually no. Practically Xena is out of commission for the first half the season so Gabrielle has to go on a lot of missions and pick various helpers - Joxer or that Chinese guy. Americe would served that function. More than that I think it would have been funny seeing Gabby cope with an irratating redhead sidekick. "I didn't see that in this ep - not until Succession. So far as I could see, Ares was totally interested in Xena in this ep, including the fight in the temple at the end. As always, half-angry at Xena for defying him, half-admiring her for doing just excatly that." Perhaps I was anticipating things here a bit. But the smirks are here. "I would have loved to see that, too. I recall there was some disappointment among fans who had assumed it would be a'flashback' ep that told that story." That's what I thought originally too. I wish they had included a few flashback. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:07:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Meredith Tarr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Chakram the real one Hi, - --- cr wrote: > But of course that's not the biggest YAXI about that ep, the > dealer also sold Alti a hair each from Gabs and Xena. A hair? After Friend in > Need? Maybe Gabby was the sentimental sort and saved a lock of Xena's hair > when she cremated her body..... Hah. Actually I think that dealer was continuing the time-honored, and sadly almost lost tradition of the reliquary. In Medieval times, saintly relics were a very lucrative trade, with all sorts of charlatanism involved. My personal favorite relics include the two heads of John the Baptist (one each in monasteries on opposite ends of the European continent) and the skull of the Christ child. (!) Not to mention, if all the slivers of the True Cross were put together, you could build yourself a very large log house. So with all that history behind him, a dealer selling the hair of a cremated individual really isn't that much of a stretch. (Look Mom, I actually used my Medieval Studies degree for something! :}) Meredith meth@smoe.org New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:33:02 -0700 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Chakram the real one >Now the new chakram could be caught not only by Xena and Gabrielle but > >also by Eve (Motherhood and Coming Home). Um...actually "Eve" never touched the chakram. It was Livia (bad, bad, bad, BAD assed gal) who captured it in "Eve." She never threw it though. But Eve never touched the chakram (not in "Motherhood" and not in "Coming Home.") >would possibly account for the broken dark chacky in Ares tomb in The >Xena >Scrolls. I'm telling ya, alternate time line. It's the only think that makes sense. >A hair? After Friend in Need? Well, Joxer did have a lock of Gab's hair (from when she got it cut last) in Soul Possession. And Amarice tied a lock of Xena's hair to her dagger in Fallen Angel. I believe that a hair of Xena's could be found. >Maybe Gabby was the sentimental sort and saved a lock of Xena's hair >when >she cremated her body..... I buy that. BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:38:15 -0700 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Amarice >"To me, Amarice was only a step above Tara -- another wannabe who had >guts >and determination, but not the discipline or wisdom Yeah but Tara was a brawler and not a warrior. Amarice was a fighter and had the skill to be a warrior some day. She was learning from Xena and I'll bet she learned much from the Northern Amazons (who are all about the discipline and the wisdom) and was most likely a warrior at the time of her death. If she hadn't been killed, I believe she could have been a great warrior. She wanted to learn from Xena and follow her example after all ("Fallen Angel"). She KNEW that she would never have the skill or be as wise, but she knew she could do good. As for Amarice not being an Amazon, that had nothing to do with her skill (or she would not have been able to fake being part of another tribe) but it was because she had not gone through testing and rituals to enter. She just let herself in. In THAT sense she wasn't an 'official' amazon until she joined the Northern tribe. BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:43:26 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Americe In a message dated 9/24/02 8:36:41 AM Central Daylight Time, cande@sunlink.net writes: << Ife wrote: "To me, Amarice was only a step above Tara -- another wannabe who had guts and determination, but not the discipline or wisdom they could learn from X&G. They were both "pretenders" who had the good sense to finally listen to those who could teach them something -- particularly humility." Oh I think you are a little hard on Americe. She is much more than a wannabe - she is very good warrior and if she doesn't qualify to be an Amazon I don't know who would. Yes she does lack discipline and she has the arrogance of youth but that's why both Xena and Gabrielle would have made good mentors for her.>> Perhaps I should clarify that I didn't see Tara as that bad (granted, her dismissal of Gabs was a bit more physical than Amarice's ). I use "wannabe" and "pretender" because I don't think being a good warrior was enough to be a good Amazon. I meant that she hadn't studied the culture or traditions. She basically made up the "in my village" ways to behave and was quick to put down true customs that she didn't agree with. Amarice didn't seem any more inclined to accept the social aspects than Tara. Both were independent young people living by their wits to the best of their ability. I do believe Amarice's goals were more lofty -- that she wanted to be part of the Amazon community and be a warrior for good. That's why I put her a step above Tara, who was more focused on a personal survival level. However, without the right guidance, Amarice could've done just as much damage, despite her good intentions. <<"Gab was good at seeing into people's hearts, which is what she did with Amarice. I don't think she saw Gab's act as charity, so much as a genuine desire to make Amarice a part of the Amazon family she always aspired to." Gabrielle I am sure remembers her own awkward entrance in the Amazon world. I think she genuinely believse that Amarice is an Amazon but more than that I think she sees Amarice need to belong. Her "adoption" by Gabrielle was more than an acto of kindness - it is a rememberance of when a kid from Potadiea hops on the back of Argo and is "adopted" by a certain warrior princess. >> Yes, I agree absolutely. Gabrielle saw into her own, as well as Amarice's, heart. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:04:23 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] LOL from O2 In a message dated 9/24/02 5:18:09 AM Central Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: << No, very big difference. Tara (who I also quite liked) was just a mixed-up kid with not much future. She might have pulled out of it by herself but probably would have met with a sad end. Amarice *knew* what she wanted to be - an Amazon warrior - and was pretty good at it, too. IMO she would have learned wisdom (if she survived long enough!) without Xena or Gabs' help. >> As I said in response to Cheryl, I do believe Amarice's goals were loftier than Tara's. The latter basically hitched her little wagon to anyone she thought was strong and could take what they needed to survive and conquer. I'm not sure that wanting to be Xena's sidekick was any more than that initially. I'm also not sure Amarice would've been more than an unpredictable, brash fighter without our girls' help. She was mighty quick to dismiss nearly all the wisdom that inolved *thinking,* not just acting or reacting physically. However, I give both of them credit for letting go of their preconceptions and being open to learning how to be more positive contributors in a social context. <> Sure, once she accepted that this sometimes meant following the orders of those with more experience, plus not taking things into her own hands. I'm not speaking of fighting ability, but the maturity to see benefits in what real Amazons had to offer, even when she might disagree. The question might be whether *she* would've wanted to stay with the Amazons, had she not first been primed by her contact with X&G. > They were both "pretenders" who had the good sense to finally listen > to those who could teach them something -- particularly humility. Gab was > good at seeing into people's hearts, which is what she did with Amarice. I > don't think she saw Gab's act as charity, so much as a genuine desire to > make Amarice a part of the Amazon family she always aspired to. Umm, no, *I* said it was 'charity'. I think Amarice appreciated it in the spirit it was intended. I'm not 'running down' Gabby's actions, just disappointed that Amarice wasn't given the chance to prove that she was a worthy Amazon.>> Hmmm. I thought she did that anyway -- not just in her ability and courage, but by sublimating her own brashness to the larger goals of the Amazons. When *she* decided to stay with the Northern Amazons, that said to me that she was probably ready. Again, I saw that as a mutual acceptance. As an observor, I certainly felt she'd proven her worthiness. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:33:50 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Amarice In a message dated 9/24/02 12:38:34 PM Central Daylight Time, xenatorres@hotmail.com writes: << >"To me, Amarice was only a step above Tara -- another wannabe who had >guts >and determination, but not the discipline or wisdom Yeah but Tara was a brawler and not a warrior. Amarice was a fighter and had the skill to be a warrior some day. >> LOL! Wow, poor Tara sure doesn't seem to have many fans. I agree that Tara was not and might never be a warrior. I also believe Amarice had self-respect that Tara lacked. I was really looking at where both of them were when they met X&G, at the extent to which either could've progressed as she did without tutelage from X&G. While each needed to learn different lessons, I personally don't think they would've learned those lessons at that age on their own. I believe both might've ended up making a tragic mistake or getting killed. Xena implied that she herself might've ended up a mere brawler, given the "young bucks" she hung out with. I believe she identified with Tara in that - -- as well as Tara being more of a "loner" -- much more than Amarice, who sought to live in an Amazon society I doubt Xena would've ever fit into. There are still those who might see grown-up Xena as a thug and misfit, which is another reason I think she decided to help Tara believe she could be more than that. Amarice had a better self-image, but needed to see how she could better live up to it. The way I made my comment suggests I didn't see much in either Tara or Amarice. I didn't mean it that way. I felt both had potential and needed X&G's guidance to realize some of that potential before it was too late. I just didn't see (as I thought CR was saying) that Amarice had or would've necessarily done that on her own. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:46:50 EDT From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Chakram the real one /Maybe Gabby was the sentimental sort and /saved a lock of Xena's hair when she cremated her body..... /Hah. Actually I think that dealer was continuing the /time-honored, and sadly almost lost tradition of the /reliquary. In Medieval times, saintly relics were a /very lucrative trade, with all sorts of charlatanism /involved. But it really was Xena's and Gabrielle's hair, because Alti and her dupes the fans cloned Xena and Gabrielle. If it had been just anybody's hair, they would have cloned just anybody. Boeotian ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:01:39 -0700 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Amarice >LOL! Wow, poor Tara sure doesn't seem to have many fans. I LOVE Shiri but Tara's not high on my list. She's a bit whiney. I thought she was funny and she did grow on me a little more in "A Tale of Two Muses," but my first impressions of her weren't all that high. I liked everything except when she got all whiney. I liked her back story (I couldn't stop laughing when she said, "You'd better get up mom! The men are throwing dirt on you!"), I liked how she was trying to change her life and I liked a lot of other aspects of her character. But then she would whine. :P But again, Shiri is WONDERFUL though! LOVED her in Roswell! BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V2 #265 **************************************