From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #258 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Thursday, September 19 2002 Volume 02 : Number 258 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [Sojourner ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena DVD ["H.J.J. Hewitt" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [cr ] [chakram-refugees] KSorbo in MidWeek Mag ["Jackie M. Young" > [] Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena DVD [Lynn W Ribaud ] [chakram-refugees] Xena DVD [] Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena DVD - NO EXTRAS [] [chakram-refugees] CC appearances (fwd) [Sarah Anne Packard ] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [meredith ] Re: [chakram-refugees] RE; Deja Vu [mirrordrum ] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [mirrordrum Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> At 20:12 17/09/2002 -0400, meredith wrote: >>Finally we have Gabrielle. ROC herself has said she was stunned by the >>violence of Gabrielle's actions in the prison yard. If she was shocked >>so was >>the audience. > >Oh, you're not kidding. When the episode first aired I was stuck watching >it with one of my friends who only liked to MST3K the show, which was >annoying in the extreme -- but the Gabspazz shut him up. After it was >over, we both turned to each other and said, "Well, THAT was unexpected!" One thing I "enjoyed" about the final scenes was (and I watched it alone the first time so my gf wouldn't comment on me crying) was that the emotion I felt during the final prison/dying/pre-crucifixion scene included the horror of seeing X dying, the emotion from G in that situation, X's regret about G's loss of ... is it control? innocence? how do you react to going berserk and killing several people? G reassuring X in extremis - there's hardly anything I wouldn't say to comfort my dying lover. And of course, the terror of inevitability - we had all seen that damn crucifixion scene so often that it's unfolding was almost dreamlike. No real-time sounds or sights. I liked your comment about surreal at the beginning and surreal at the end. Sojourner ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:43:51 +0100 From: Sojourner Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena DVD I have now almost got the complete season 1-4 and 6 on DVD (Season 4, set 2 is in the mail!) from Blackstar from Universal Studios UK and the quality seems entirely excellent to me. The shift to digital film (?) shows between season 1 and 6 (not sure when it happened?) and there are no extras. But I didn't buy them for any extras - just the eps thanks very much. And the price has been around #30 per set of 3 - so #60 per season. Gack! Ah well, it's been spread out over the last year. You know, I used to be smug for living in NZ. I never thought I could be smug (in an XWP sense) about living in the UK. But the DVD's have allowed just a little self-satisfaction..... Sojourner At 22:53 17/09/2002 -0400, mirrordrum wrote: >i've been fretting about the same thing. i'm rather torn. compared to >x-files, $109 isn't that expensive for that many eps but it depends >totally on the quality. if the quality of their dvds is as poor, or at >least as variable, as that of their tapes, i dunno. > >on the one hand, i hate not to support the production of xena dvds and i >find it hard to believe that there will be more than one company producing >them. i fear that if people don't show interest, they won't produce them. > >my plan at present is to try the first season and if the dvds seem okay, >to go ahead and buy them. if not, i'll go through the same thing i went >through w/ the season 3 videos (the famous recycled disney tapes). in >fact, i was the individual who got the ball rolling to get all those tape >sets replaced altho i don't think anybody knew that. i got in touch w/ roz >nowicki (no longer w/ d-p) and marcy jo anderson by writing a complaint >directly to studios usa. becky calvert picked up the ball too. > >the last time the tapes were bad (2001) i went the same route and got >satisfaction: replacement of the entire set w/out having to return my >tapes which i gave away--only a few had glitches. > >i still have e-mail addys for marcy jo--if she's still there--and her >assistant. if i don't get satisfaction from cust serve, i *will* again go >to studios usa who apparently heap coals of fire on d-p's collective heads >especially if a lot of people complain. so there has been recourse in the >past and i expect it to be there now. it's better than nothing. i've been >doubting we'd ever get dvds. > >you might also consider that buffy's season 1 comprises 12 eps, i believe, >as against xena's 24 eps. i would expect twice as many eps to cost more so >that's not a big deal to me. also i'm perfectly happy with the >behind-the-scenes stuff which, imo, far surpasses any of the extras on the >x-files sets which are superb. i have some hope that creation will see fit >to package the entire lot of material from the fan kits and make that >available on dvd. (sharon, are you in the house?) > >to me, it's worth doing b/c i intend to watch xena until the ice caps melt >from global warming and drown everything. > >md > >At 09:42 PM 9/17/2002 -0400, meredith wrote: >>Hi, >> >>Cheryl reported: >> >>>I called Panzar Davis today and yes you can now pre-order the fisrt >>>season of >>>Xena on DVD (109.95 including shipping). >> >> >> >>What a ripoff. The second season of _Buffy_ cost me less than $50, and >>there are tons of extras on it and very fine packaging, neither of which >>I expect from Davis-Panzer, home of the recycled Disney tapes. >> >>Sharon, are there any plans for an "official" DVD release that will be >>properly manufactured and available from reputable retail >>locations? After how they repeatedly screwed Xenites over with their VHS >>releases, I refuse to support Davis-Panzer in any way, shape or form. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 02:59:46 -0500 From: "H.J.J. Hewitt" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena DVD >You know, I used to be smug for living in NZ. I never thought I could be >smug (in an XWP sense) about living in the UK. But the DVD's have allowed >just a little self-satisfaction..... Well, there hafta be SOME compensations. TEXena EnnZedophile par excellence ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:12:15 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> On Wednesday 18 September 2002 04:13, Cheryl Ande wrote: > cr wrote: > " It's a while since I watched it, but I had the impression that most of > the conning was being done by Marco, Mattie was relatively sincere. I > don;'t recall seeing anything that said she was consciously conning > people." > > > Nope she knew. She said that she thought it was going to a simple little > con with no one getting hurt but now she was going to get Harry and Annie > blown up. Oh, OK, I'd missed that one. (Carefully stashes it in the 'evil Gabrielle' folder ;) > In a funny line she is lamenting her impending karmic disaster > she contemplates that she would return as a slug or - gasp - a TV > evengelist. > > CherylA Yes now I *do* remember that one! :) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:08:44 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> On Wednesday 18 September 2002 03:13, Meredith Tarr wrote: > Hi, > > > Could this be ROC's Revenge for that scene in Xena > > Scrolls when Janice > > discovers she isn't descended from Xena or even > > Callisto... ? > > I think that would depend on how much on-set script > changing occurred during the filming of that episode. > Judging from what I have heard/read about how strapped > ROC was for time, I'm guessing next to none. I think > anything that comes from the dialogue in the episode > has to be credited to RJ Stewart (the writer), not ROC > (the director). > > Meredith > meth@smoe.org > I was bring just a little bit metaphorical there. ;) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:49:09 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> On Wednesday 18 September 2002 03:51, Cheryl Ande wrote: > # > > > This is one of the most reverting - 'riveting'? Check your spell checker! :) > 45 minutes for any television series that > I can remember. We finally see Xena's horrific vision come true and > Gabrielle decides what her way will be. It's an episode that has > outstanding performances by Hudson Lieck, Lucy Lawless and Renee O'Connor. > This a deceptive episode. It is somewhere between a surreal vision and a > straight forward narrative. It begins with Callisto in Hell tormented by > oddly happy and off-kilter Gabrielle and Xena. Well of course this was all in Callisto's imagination, not the real X and G. But I did *love* the expression on phantom-Xena's face when Callisto's sword went straight through her. And Callisto's yap of fury. The setting in 'Hell' was rather disconcerting and awkward, considering she should really have been in Tartarus. I guess, along with the Dahak thing, this marked the start of the 'end of the Olympian gods' theme. And of course, the next ep followed up with Heaven. > Then we move to Caesar's > erotic and deadly dream about Xena which is interrupted by the undead > Callisto looking like a evil pixy. 'Evil pixy' - beautifully put! > We also have Xena's > frenetic chase through Italy trying to get to Gabrielle's prison and her > oddly unnoticed ride in the cart of the dead. Is Callisto somehow > manipulating time and space so that Xena can get to Gabrielle in time for > the crucifixion? That cart ride did strike me as odd, I think Callisto was making Xena 'invisible'. (It's the 'somebody else's problem' field - there's a full technical description in Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy ;) > Even Caesar's > assassination and X & G crucifixion are all done with a quiet surreal > feeling that makes it compelling to watch. I've seen the inter-cutting of the two criticised, but for me, it was only that that made it possible for me to watch. If they'd showed the crucifixion uninterrupted it would have been just too grim. And the slow-mo was masterfully done. Those Roman soldiers were chillingly casual about it - - it was a routine job they knew how to do quite competently. > Then at the end we once again > visit the metaphysical as we watch the spirits of Xena and Gabrielle > disappear in a blink of an eye. But oh dear, that wrecked it for me. That whole crucifixion scene should have ended with the two on crosses. That would have been the most powerful and sombre ending an episode could ever have had. That little 'Touched by an angel' moment at the end was just so incongruous, it couldn't have been more disconcerting if the Monty Python Marching Band had popped up from behind the rocks playing "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life". > Director Ken Girotti and especially editor > Robert Field deserve praise for constructing such an exquisite episode. Yes, they certainly do. > Then at the crucifixion Lucy adds > just a little nuance to her performance that is wonderful - she shivers. > On that snowy plain Xena the stoic warrior is cold and she shows it, the > only real indication of how badly she is hurt is that one small involuntary > reaction. Maybe Lucy really was cold? Though, I'm thinking of all the other times she must have been cold and not shown it - like, almost every time she was in Lake Wainamu or other bodies of water. She must have a lot of experience at _not_ shivering. It must have been a change for her not to have to hide it. :) But I don't want to detract from LL's performance, it was wonderful. > Hudson Leick is in top form here also. Her Callisto is always fun to > watch, That's true, so true. But Callisto had changed from her screaming intensity of previous episodes to an almost frivolous attitude in this one. Maybe it was a sort of 'what else can go wrong with my life' recklessness. Whatever it was, Hudson on screen is always a joy to watch. > Callisto turns on her in a > moment of pique and violates Satan's orders and hurls the chakram at Xena > with deadly accuracy. (sidebar: you notice only two people can ever wield > the dark chakram - Xena and Gabrielle but yet the yin and yang chakram can > be used by Xena and Eve and Gabrielle). Surely you mean "only two people can ever wield the dark chakram - Xena and *Callisto* ". I don't recall Gabs ever doing so. But Callisto was as good with it as Xena was. It was all kinds of symbolic that the chacky broke when it hit Xena, too. > That should be it for Callisto but > she hangs around a spectral spectator at Xena's death. Sometimes just oddly > fascinated as by Gabrielle's actions, then gloating at Xena on the cross, > or just plain being peculiar as she catches snow flakes on her tongue all > the world like a carefree child. I expect she really didn't want to go back and find out what 'He' thought of her efforts.... might as well make the most of it and watch Xena get nailed. > Yet she is still acting as Gabrielle - > she saves Amarice again and she still is trying to learn from Eli. In a > scene that will be eerily repeated in the courtyard, she meditates with Eli > and announces happily "that she has done it". Amarice in disbelief asks > what did she do and she says nothing. Eli explains that once you empty > yourself of all emotion and thought you can be a perfect vessel of > unselfish love. Amarice is unconvinced but soon Xena arrives. Don't forget Amarice. As the voice of scepticism about Eli/Gabs' Way of Love, she has some delightfully sardonic lines. "We're gonna be nailed to crosses tomorrow morning, and you two are bragging about doing nothing?!" My reaction exactly. ;) > There also other great pieces of business here. Xena interrupting Brutus's > bathroom break to announce her will be assassinated in Gaul (did she lie > about this?) . This is interesting. I always wished that Xena could get her revenge on Caesar by killing him personally, as she tried to in this episode. But as people have pointed out to me, history precludes this. However, I like to think that maybe Xena did achieve her aim by proxy - by setting up Brutus for the assassination. > Karl Urban dismissing another bounty hunted with the wrong > Xena head by saying "Take Xena with you". It just a great episode. Actually, Caesar had the bounty hunter killed - it was to the guard that he said 'take 'Xena' with you'. Lovely line though. And as you say, a great episode. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 03:00:13 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: [chakram-refugees] KSorbo in MidWeek Mag If you check this week's issue of MidWeek Mag (free Honolulu weekly 9/18/02), there's a question that's answered about KSorbo's latest movie in the Gossip column on the inside page (2). It says he's "currently playing a priest in a film called Clipping Adam, now filming in CA"?!? For some reason, I find that a bit of miscasting, just like his bit on Darma & Greg as a teacher, but that's just MO. ;) - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:07:04 -0400 From: Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> cr wrote: "But oh dear, that wrecked it for me. That > whole crucifixion scene should > have ended with the two on crosses. That > would have been the most powerful > and sombre ending an episode could ever have > had. That little 'Touched by > an angel' moment at the end was just so > incongruous, it couldn't have been > more disconcerting if the Monty Python Marching > Band had popped up from behind the rocks playing "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life"." Perhaps TPTB didn't want Xena fans hurling themselves off clifts in despair so they softened the end a bit. Also it gave people a clue that all was not lost for the dynamic duo. However The Life Of Brian is one of my favorite movies - it would have been kind of neat to have seen Xena and Gabs break out in song, bizarre but neat (perhaps there is an outtake somewhere with that). > > "Maybe Lucy really was cold?" Yeah cold and pregnant - so maybe she just decided she'd shiver and it would be in character anyway. > > > " Surely you mean "only two people can ever wield the dark chakram - Xena and *Callisto* ". I don't recall Gabs ever doing so." Yes that's waht I mean Xena and Callisto. "It was all kinds of symbolic that the chacky > broke when it hit Xena, too." Oh yeah. It's as if the chaky broke because it knew it has betrayed its true mistress. > CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:09:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Lynn W Ribaud Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena DVD On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, meredith wrote: > I'm sure lots of people are grateful to md for her efforts in the past to > get Davis-Panzer to put things right with the tapes. I sincerely hope a > similar effort isn't needed again with the DVDs, but I don't want to be a > test case. > > md noted: > > >you might also consider that buffy's season 1 comprises 12 eps, i believe, > >as against xena's 24 eps. > > Right. I was talking about the season 2 set, which is 22 eps on 6 > DVDs. (I got season 1 for $25.) Davis Panzer's price for the X:WP set is > extortion. I just want to point out that like Sojourner, I've been buying the PAL discs from Blackstar (check them out at www.blackstar.co.uk -- They have been very good to me, and I'll also say that multi-region DVD players can be had if you look for them). For those of you who, like me, are not immediately conversant in exchange rates, the approximately thirty pounds a set is equivalent to about fifty dollars. I.e., extortion or no, Universal (through outlets) is charging about as much as D-P. But I agree that we should take a wait-and-see attitude about their discs (and release dates). For anyone who cares, I'll note that I stopped buying the tapes after the second season set because they no longer had the closed captioning (which *is* on the broadcasts). The PAL discs do not have the closed captioning, either. I have also been purchasing Farscape from the same firm; that's even more expensive -- closer to one hundred pounds a season -- and it is not a Universal product. Things could be worse. Lynn Lynn Ribaud, Local Contact X3A Beamline, National Synchrotron Light Source, Brookhaven National Lab ribaud@bnl.gov (replaces ribaud@acsu.buffalo.edu) ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:20:40 -0400 From: Subject: [chakram-refugees] Xena DVD Powerstar carries the same video tapes that are produced by Panzar Davis. The price seems reasonable enough considering how much the X-Files sets are. Anyway I'm not interested in Buffy enough to buy the DVDs so its price is immaterial to me. I was hoping Creations would be doing these but I guess not. I would think that the DVDs would not be subject to the same problems as tapes. As I understand it tapes actually have to taped while DVDs are manufactured. So there should be better quality control. Hopefully Panzar Davis will contract with a more reliable firm to do these DVDs. Anyway Panzar Davis customer service has been pretty good (of course we shouldn't have to relie on it so much) so I'm fairly satisfied with them. At least I won't have worry about my VCR eating by tapes (which has happened to me a few times). CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:09:45 -0400 From: Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena DVD - NO EXTRAS I was wrong or at least the salesperson was wrong I talked to. There is no interview or extras on the DVD. I just called them again. So it is just the episodes. Sorry about the misinformation. CherylA On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:27:55 -0700 "Creation (Sharon Delaney)" wrote: > Hi Cheryl, > You might want to ask what that interview with > Lucy is and when it was done. > Sharon > > > > >I called Panzar Davis today and yes you can > now pre-order the fisrt season of > >Xena on DVD (109.95 including shipping). > There are some extras an interview > >with Lucy and some other interview - the sales > woman wasn't too specific. The > >saleswoman did say it was expected that all > the seasons would come out but > >there aren't any dates for the other seasons > yet. The number is > >1-800-959-2480. > > > >Cheryl Ande > >========================================================= > >This has been a message to the > chakram-refugees list. > >To unsubscribe, send a message to > majordomo@smoe.org with > >"unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message > body. > >Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or > problems. > >========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:44:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Sarah Anne Packard Subject: [chakram-refugees] CC appearances (fwd) Got this email from the Claudia Christian official news list...looks like "Hourglass," the TV series she was developing with Alexandra Tydings, is dead. :( :( :( -Sarah- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- <> We will probably take the hourglass website down at the beginning of the year. Unfortunately the powers that be weren't interested. However, we are going to be developing something new again so we'll put up another site with the same dream book etc. I would like to thank all the fans who supported our idea... it was a great one- especially when you see what's coming on for the fall- not much in the way of fantasy sci fi programming. Thanks again for keeping tuned in- Holly __________ To unsubscribe: http://www.yourmailinglistprovider.com/unsubscribe.php?claudiachristian+abbagirl@cyberspace.org This newsletter is hosted by http://www.yourmailinglistprovider.com ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:50:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Sarah Anne Packard Subject: [chakram-refugees] [XenaLive] XENA LIVE NOMINATED FOR A JEFF AWARD!!! (fwd) Woo-hoo!! Go "Xena Live"!!! :) -Sarah, aka the abbagirl- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:45:42 -0500 From: "Diane S. Bauden" Reply-To: XenaLive@yahoogroups.com To: XenaLive! , Chicago Xena Nights Subject: [XenaLive] XENA LIVE NOMINATED FOR A JEFF AWARD!!! Yes that's right! Xena Live! Episode Two: The Musical has been nominated for a Jeff Award for Best New Work! For those of you that are like... What the hell is a Jeff? Well it's Chicago's version of the Tony Award they give to Broadway shows. Congrats to: Amy Matheny, Creator, Producer and Gabrielle Scott Ferguson, Director Claudia Allen, Playwright Heather Schmucker, Producer Ben Sussman and Andre Pluess, Musicians and Composers of Original Songs And the ENTIRE cast and crew. All I can say is WAY TO GO EVERYONE!!! What an incredible accomplishment! :) Di - ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:29:20 -0400 From: meredith Subject: [chakram-refugees] o/gina torres in usa today Hi, Today's USA TODAY contained an article called "Five prime-time faces to watch", one of which is Gina Torres of _Firefly_. The article is at: http://www.usatoday.com/life/dcovwed.htm ============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth ============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org NEXT UP: Annie Gallup, Saturday, 9/28 at 8 pm ============================================== ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:37:00 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> Hi, Thelonius responded: >That little 'Touched by >an angel' moment at the end was just so incongruous, it couldn't have been >more disconcerting if the Monty Python Marching Band had popped up from >behind the rocks playing "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life". I said pretty much the same thing back when it first aired. I'm still waiting to see an outtake featuring LL and ROC singing that song in between takes. You *know* it had to happen sometime!! >It was all kinds of symbolic that the chacky broke when it hit Xena, too. Of course. Even though TPTB never explained why to my satisfaction (even in "Chakram"), the indication certainly was that the chakram was connected to Xena's life force in some way. >Don't forget Amarice. As the voice of scepticism about Eli/Gabs' Way of >Love, she has some delightfully sardonic lines. "We're gonna be nailed to >crosses tomorrow morning, and you two are bragging about doing nothing?!" >My reaction exactly. ;) Amarice played the role of the Greek chorus in this episode -- giving voice to the thoughts of the audience. ============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth ============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org NEXT UP: Annie Gallup, Saturday, 9/28 at 8 pm ============================================== ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:36:17 -0400 From: mirrordrum Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE; Deja Vu At 12:19 PM 9/17/2002 -0400, Cheryl Ande wrote: >cr wrote: >"How did Janice and Mel relate to Harry and Mattie? Presumably not at all, >Janice and Mel were apparently direct physical descendants of Gabs and Xena, >whereas Harry and Mattie were reincarnations of same. Or something like >that." > >You're right Janice and Mel were descendents but Harry and Matties are >reincarnates of Xena and Gabby. Janice and Mel are also more likable and >spawned a set of great fan fiction. Harry, Mattie and Annie are terrible >characters and we have to suffer through them twice - once directed well by >ROC and once directed by Josh Becker. awwwww! i loved annie bannanie. and anyway, ares does fix it right in the end. but it's all so confusing--as i'm sure has been addressed before. apparently either livia had a child, and xena became a grandma, while during livia's bitch of rome days or eve met an elian and had a child or children--the latter seems more likely. and then obviously gabrielle had to find *her* tree in the forest and intertwine to continue the sidekick lineage. then these lineages were marching down the years whilst the souls of x and x, forever connected, were reiterating through various incarnations along with, apparently, the soul of alti who continues to get defeated. one wonders if mel and doc had kids too so that ultimately one could have xena and gab's direct descendents in the 21st century running into their clones *and* their current incarnations. well, it fair boggles the mind. oh, and i forgot that callisto too is doing the reincarnation thing via eve which means that mel would be a descendent of both xena *and* callie since they were evilivia's "parents". well! perhaps that has something to do with why callisto could wield the chakram. she and xena were perhaps spiritually bound in some way before they got to ancient greece and naiyima forgot to mention it. md--scratching my head and wondering what possessed me to stop lurking ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:06:06 -0400 From: mirrordrum Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> At 11:49 PM 9/18/2002 +1200, cr wrote in reply to cheryl: > > This a deceptive episode. It is somewhere between a surreal vision and a > > straight forward narrative. It begins with Callisto in Hell tormented by > > oddly happy and off-kilter Gabrielle and Xena. > >Well of course this was all in Callisto's imagination, not the real X and G. >But I did *love* the expression on phantom-Xena's face when Callisto's sword >went straight through her. And Callisto's yap of fury. paybacks for being such a smartass about her own impenetrability when they were after velasca. of course, rocks *always* work. except on xena. even athena's darling can't drop a rock on her. >The setting in 'Hell' was rather disconcerting and awkward, considering she >should really have been in Tartarus. I guess, along with the Dahak thing, >this marked the start of the 'end of the Olympian gods' theme. And of >course, the next ep followed up with Heaven. well they did muddle back and forth a bit--*so* unlike tptb. first there was tartarus, then there was wherever solan was so that he could create illusia, then we had the trip to the east and then back to heaven and hell and then in there was solan smack back in tartarus again. then he was in the fields. then there's the whole eve christian arc with more heaven and hell for eternity and finally xena ends up. . .where? and does gabrielle have to go to the amazon land of the dead when she dies or does being an archangel trump being an amazon? maybe you get to pick. and i'm not even dwelling on valhalla or any of that other stuff and where *do* you suppose lao ma ended up? > > Then at the end we once again > > visit the metaphysical as we watch the spirits of Xena and Gabrielle > > disappear in a blink of an eye. > >But oh dear, that wrecked it for me. That whole crucifixion scene should >have ended with the two on crosses. That would have been the most powerful >and sombre ending an episode could ever have had. absolutely! angel choirs generally disconcert me anyway. it was like pouring treacle on bloody iron and expecting people to think it's sweet. i believe RT's explanation was that it was for the kiddies, wasn't it? pooh. > > Then at the crucifixion Lucy adds > > just a little nuance to her performance that is wonderful - she shivers. > > On that snowy plain Xena the stoic warrior is cold and she shows it, the > > only real indication of how badly she is hurt is that one small involuntary > > reaction. > >Maybe Lucy really was cold? > >Though, I'm thinking of all the other times she must have been cold and not >shown it - like, almost every time she was in Lake Wainamu or other bodies of >water. She must have a lot of experience at _not_ shivering. It must have >been a change for her not to have to hide it. :) if she shivered, it was probably hot. actors act. they can't help it. >But I don't want to detract from LL's performance, it was wonderful. indeed. of course, i thought they both did beautifully but lucy in the prison cell was simply exquisite. very very nice understatement and use of the eyes. and the collapse onto the ground and seeing her head jounce when her back got busted. it was like one of those ghastly shots that they love to include in movies involving boxing. i've always wondered how they managed not to have her hurt herself as she dropped onto her cheek. great stunned expression. > > Hudson Leick is in top form here also. Her Callisto is always fun to > > watch, > >That's true, so true. But Callisto had changed from her screaming intensity >of previous episodes to an almost frivolous attitude in this one. > Maybe it >was a sort of 'what else can go wrong with my life' recklessness. i've always felt underneath it, though, the nuance of extreme frustration--the awareness that whatever her "lord" wants and whatever doom awaits her if she disobeys, her desire to really get xena is simply to big an itch not to try to scratch and that, as is so often the case, no revenge is ever enough. that, to me, was really her "hell". . .she could never satisfy her desire to hurt xena as she had been hurt. first of all, she simply wasn't a match for xena and second, even when xena finally "gets hers," what happens to xena doesn't stop callisto's hell. to me, hudson conveyed that. or i just read it into her portrayal. that was the one reason i was basically alright with callisto's eventual salvation although i found her exceedingly dreary as an angel. tptb simply didn't do "good" very well. eli came closest but basically their good characters fall short of the actual complexity of good people. of course, even as an angel xena doesn't succumb to sugar coating. and that's it that's all for me for the nonce. nice to be able to visit. md ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. 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