From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #239 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Saturday, August 31 2002 Volume 02 : Number 239 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] an interesting perspective on creation [meredith > [cr ] [chakram-refugees] OT Subway smoothies ["Creation (Sharon Delaney)" ] [chakram-refugees] [Tsianina Joelson Unlimited] Tsianina Joelson just had a son! (fwd) [Sarah Anne Packard Subject: [chakram-refugees] an interesting perspective on creation Hi, One of the more interesting sites I check out on a regular basis is wilwheaton.net. Yes, Wesley has grown up, and he's a very cool guy! (I remember seeing him around on the GEnie network way back when I was in college 11, 12 years ago, and not quite believing it was really him. Now I know it was!) His posting today is a very interesting look into Creation cons from the other side. I thought it may be of some interest. Check it out at http://www.wilwheaton.net. ============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth ============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org NEXT UP: Annie Gallup, Saturday, 9/28 at 8 pm ============================================== ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 02:57:14 EDT From: Trek4u269@aol.com Subject: RE:[chakram-refugees] an interesting perspective on creation wow. Thanks for the link Meredith. I knew cons were lucrative but making millions oiff of fans....wow. If wil got told he wasnt important in the 15 years of TNG by creation then I wonder what the other actors think that are reading his page now. Oh well.....he hit the nail on the head.....conventions are for making money not for taking care of the fans. I wont hate on creation....I already knew being a local and having many friends in the industry or related to actors from some of the shows they do. I am just not fooled that anything they done for fandom...it is all done for profit. Once I think that way I accept them as they are. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:41:04 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> On Thursday 29 August 2002 22:39, Trek4u269@aol.com wrote: > >>>> that, fundamentally, 99% of what happens in XWP is > >>>> > > > > > based on the 'real' world, > > > > > in order to understand or make sense of the series. > >>> > >>>Each of us would see 99% of XWP as being quite 'ordinary' or at most, > >>>slightly exaggerated. And 1% as being 'impossible', but it wouldn't be >> the >> >>>same 1% for all of us. So my 1% will be different from Lynn's 1% or >> yours. > > The percentage would also be different as Sami may see 80% of what happens > on xwp as based on real world....considering zapping, teleportation, > physics, gods, etc. Well yes, that too. But the point is, some of us will accept as 'normal' or at least unexceptionable, what others will see as 'impossible'. > > > Some of these rules or conventions are set by the genre. For example > > sci-fi > > shows like Trek and Farscape have certain things in common that they > > don't feel the need to explain - like the fact that there's apparently > > 'gravity' on > > board their ships (nobody's ever tried to make a whole 'weightless' TV > > series > > so far as I know) or that ships can have energy-generated defensive > > 'shields'. > > I always marvel at how many older shows totally skipped the whole > "bathroom" or going to the bathroom. Well, one assumes that the ships are equipped with the necessary facilities. The movie 2001 did take note of it, though - on the door there was a notice that said 'Zero Gravity Toilet' and underneath was 'Instructions' followed by a page of small print ;) > And most every planet has gravity simular to "earth", and all creatures > tend to exist in the same atmopsphere.hehee Not to mention the fact that almost *all* aliens are bipedal, and have two eyes, one nose, one mouth, all grouped in a separate head. There's also the convention that everyone that everyone can understand each other, though that's often explained, as by translators (I think?) in Trek, the famous Babelfish in Hitch-hiker's Guide, or the translator microbes in Farscape. The same convention sems to aply in Xena - in fact Xena understands all ancient languages except M'Lila's, including modern English (as we saw in Clones). Maybe it would be more accurate to say that TPTB just happily ignored language differences. The *only* TV series I've seen that handled foreign languages absolutely realistically was 'Danger Man' ('Secret Agent' in the US), a black&white 1970's British spy series with Patrick McGoohan. And in that series, Frenchmen spoke French, Germans spoke German, and presumably Bulgarians spoke Bulgarian, all without subtitles. And it was not as difficult for the writers or audience as might be imagined, after all, if the Bulgarian police sergeant rushes in and says "Sir, the English spy has escaped" and the lieutenant yells "Well, get him back or I'll have you shot!" we really don't need to know _any_ of the words they're speaking in order to understand what's going on. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:49:23 -0700 From: "Creation (Sharon Delaney)" Subject: [chakram-refugees] OT Subway smoothies My local Subway just started selling Smoothies. They make them with fruit and ice and a bit of juice. No milk or yogurt. I had the one with pineapple, mango and tangerine, I think it was. I thought I'd try to make some myself. Does anyone know a sample recipe that would give me an idea of portions of fruit and ice? Sharon ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:49:58 -0800 (AKDT) From: KTL Subject: [chakram-refugees] Another Xena mention Now having masses of leisure time since XWP is over ***SIGH***, I've gone back to my prior time waster, reading murder mystery stories. I stumbled across a series by Janet Evanovich about a rather incompetent New Jersey grrl bounty hunter named Stephanie Plum. This is an absolutely hilarious series with marvelously quirky characters and slapstick situations that are frightening very true to life, if you know what life in New Jersey is like. Bad cars and big bad hair feature prominently. Each book just gets funnier and funnier--Evanovich actually makes me laugh out loud at times, not something that is easy to pull off with just words upon a page. Anyway, from "Hot Six" comes the following paragraph: "I was driving a six-year-old blue Honda Civic that was perfectly good transportation but didn't enhance my sex life. Hard to be Xena, Warrior Princess in a six-year-old Civic." True for most, but I bet Lucy could pull it off. KT Back in town, less busy in work and just itching to catch up on my Chakram e-mails... ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:05:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Sarah Anne Packard Subject: [chakram-refugees] [Tsianina Joelson Unlimited] Tsianina Joelson just had a son! (fwd) Thought I'd pass this on..Tsianina Joelson is of course also known as Varia the Amazon. :) I had no idea she was even pregnant, wow! I had the pleasure of meeting her almost a year ago at the San Jose Xena con, and she is an *extremely* down-to-earth and cool person, she was amazed that she actually had fans. :) -Sarah, aka the abbagirl- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:48:32 -0000 From: squatch2001 To: tsianinajoelsonunlimited@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Tsianina Joelson Unlimited] Tsianina Joelson just had a son! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You cannot reply to this message via email because you have chosen not to disclose your email address to the group. To reply: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tsianinajoelsonunlimited/post?act=reply&messageNum=199 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On August 28th 2002 Tsianina gave birth to son Paul. Yes she was pregnant, for those of you that did not know. Word from the Official Clubs President is that the delivery was difficult and Tsianina and Paul (her son) are both still in the hospital. But they are both doing well. If you have any questions I'd be more than happy to try and get you answers. If you wish to send your well wishes and congratulations to Tsianina then the e-mail address is: fanmail@tsianinafan.com If you have any questions feel free to post them here or e-mail me at: squatch2001@yahoo.com squatch2001 (TJU Founder) - ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/wXVplB/TM - ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: tsianinajoelsonunlimited-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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