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chakram-refugees-digest    Thursday, July 11 2002    Volume 02 : Number 190



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: [chakram-refugees] <<A Good Day>>                [cr <cr@orcon.net.nz>]
  RE: [chakram-refugees] Unproduced X:WP Script Online  ["bookdaft" <bookdaf]
  [chakram-refugees] Tale of Two Muses in real life     [<cande@sunlink.net>]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] <<A Good Day>>                 [<cande@sunlink.net>]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] <<.A Good Day>>                     [IfeRae@aol.com]
  RE: [chakram-refugees] ALL things N.Z. --Being Eve  ["bookdaft" <bookdaft@]
  [chakram-refugees] Who Should Play Wonder Woman  ["Cheryl Ande" <cande@sun]
  [chakram-refugees] Nonlethal Xena dramas  ["Cheryl Ande" <cande@sunlink.ne]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] Who Should Play Wonder Woman  [meredith <meth@smoe.]
  [chakram-refugees] B.Campbell in Bubba Ho-Tep           [KLOSSNER9@aol.com]

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:41:57 +1200
From: cr <cr@orcon.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <<A Good Day>>

On Wednesday 10 July 2002 13:46, Lee Daley wrote:
> > Regarding Gabby's spear toss........
> >
> > This was season 4 and while she threw her staff with pinpoint accuracy
> > in season one's "Greater Good", you would think a spear would not be a
> > problem.
> >
> > Also, in Ides she drills the Roman soldier with a spear throw <snip> so
>
> for me, I would have to say either she let her mind
>
> > psyche herself out (this was Gabby's soul searching season) OR perhaps
> > the distance to Flanagus was greater than the times she saved Xena.
> >
> > JMO
> > CJL
>
> I was waiting for this YAXI to come up.  And it was filmed so blatently
> that the spear didn't just miss, it wasn't in the same battlefield.
> Gab chocked, she had to so that a significant character would die under her
> command, then Xena could (not)comfort her.  She certainly came a long way 2
> seasons later in "Saving Hoplite Ryanae"

I disagree.      The range was possibly much greater in A Good Day, and she 
also had to miss Phlanagus (i.e. avoid the risk of hitting him).   In Ides    
Xena was lying on the ground well clear, and the Roman soldier was 
approaching head-on with no deflection at close range - and Albert (the 
stuntie) is as wide as a barn door.

So, definitely not a YAXI,   IMO.

cr
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:39:10 -0400
From: "bookdaft" <bookdaft@voyager.net>
Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] Unproduced X:WP Script Online

- -----Original Message-----
IfeRae wrote in (very small) part:

<<<Yes, this certainly makes the discussion more entertaining for me. <g>
>>>

Sorry for the severe snippage of your thoughtful comments. My only intent in
the post was to discuss, and perhaps speculate a little bit on, the known
facts surrounding Fallen and how they may relate to FIN, if any do at all.
For instance, the story might have been salvageable, if the same FIN
elements that turn up in Fallen were pulled out.  The writers have, in the
past, made major rewrites and in a very short period of time.  Missy is a
very fast writer and could possibly have rewritten the script to cover the
changes.  It is possible Rob Tapert felt so passionately about this story as
it is that it was either go with all the story elements as written or don't
do it at all.  Another possibility could have been that R.J. Stewart, who is
loathe to drastically rewrite another writer's script, may have felt it
wasn't possible to produce the script as it was without gutting it and opted
for dropping it.  After all, they did have a full plate of scripts they
planned to produce, including FIN.  Fallen was likely considered redundant.

And I am having fun wondering why he chose Missy Good, a fanfic writer, to
pitch the story to rather than a more experienced scriptwriter.  There
really is no answer to any of these questions because Missy has been fairly
general in her comments about the script and the process behind the script.
As it should be, I think.

I realize many people are not interested in such speculation, since there is
no way of determining the truth.  But my speculation is idle and this has
been the direction my mind is turning thus far over the long, hot summer.

Thanks for responding.

bd
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:53:51 -0400
From: <cande@sunlink.net>
Subject: [chakram-refugees] Tale of Two Muses in real life

I saw this short article yesterday :

"Tehran, Iran (AP) - Ruling that teaching traditional Iranian dance corrupts
the nation's youth, a court banned an Iranian-American dancer from leaving
Iran for 10 years and from giving dance classes for life, his lawyer said
Monday.

Mohammad Khordadian, Iran's best known male dancer, was also given a 10 year
suspended jail term for promoting moral corruption by holding dance classes in
the United States, according to the ruling, handed down Sunday.  It also
barred him from attending public celebrations or weddings of people who are
not his relatives for three years, laywer Abdolrahman Rasouli said."

I particularly like the wedding a celebration part - the court must have
thought he spontaniously burst out into dance and others would follow him.

CherylA
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:23:21 -0400
From: <cande@sunlink.net>
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <<A Good Day>>

Cheryl LaScola 


Regarding Gabby's spear toss........



"This was season 4 and while she threw her staff with pinpoint accuracy in
season one's "Greater Good", you would think a spear would not be a
problem."

Perhaps but the spear might have been a lot heavier and with the iron tip it
would have been balanced differently.  So her inexperience at throwing that
combined with the real possibility she did choke made missing realistic.



"Also, in Ides she drills the Roman soldier with a spear throw that hits dead
center (no pun intended).  With Xena's life in danger, Gabby always hit her
target, so for me, I would have to say either she let her mind 
psyche herself out (this was Gabby's soul searching season) OR perhaps the
distance to Flanagus was greater than the times she saved Xena."

Or having screwed-up she might have been practicing with a spear when we
weren't watching (this is before she met Eli, of course).  I could actually
see Gabrielle being so bothered by this that she really tried to learn how to
use the weapon. 

CherylA
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:55:30 EDT
From: IfeRae@aol.com
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <<.A Good Day>>

In a message dated 07/10/2002 3:24:07 PM Central Daylight Time, 
cande@sunlink.net writes:

<< Or having screwed-up she might have been practicing with a spear when we
 weren't watching (this is before she met Eli, of course).  I could actually
 see Gabrielle being so bothered by this that she really tried to learn how to
 use the weapon.  >>

Well, I have mixed thoughts about her failure in Good Day, but I'd bet she 
wouldn't have needed any practice to throw that spear with deadly accuracy 
with Xena's life in the balance.  <g> 

- -- Ife
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:51:43 -0400
From: "bookdaft" <bookdaft@voyager.net>
Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] ALL things N.Z. --Being Eve

- -----Original Message-----
Daniel T. Miller wrote:

<<<But still, all the kids were understandable, and crystal clear to me.
It's one of the most clear Commonwealth dialects, I've heard.
I don't get this whole myth about how the Kiwi is so hard to understand.

But then again, ears aren't born equal.
I think it depend on which ears are listening to which English speaker.
I have some difficulty with a few British dialects.

 I was just watching a little of a BBC landscaping  show,
and there was a older woman from Scotland, and I couldn't understand
one word she was saying!>>>

It may be true in the more cosmopolitan areas, such as Auckland.  I know
that when I was in New Zealand, there were times that what someone said was
incomprehensible to me.  Sometimes I would ask them to repeat what they said
and my mind would process the first statement while they were repeating.
Other times I could never puzzle it out.  I think I had the most trouble
when I was in the less populated areas, although I had some problems around
Wellington.  I was in luck, since almost everyone was willing to give the
Yank the benefit of the doubt.

bd
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:35:04 -0400
From: "Cheryl Ande" <cande@sunlink.net>
Subject: [chakram-refugees] Who Should Play Wonder Woman

i just read the TV Guide article.  it is an interesting question.  although
lucy seems the fit the role the best, i agree it would probably be a really
bad career choice (personally i think she should do a nice light comedy or
independent film or possibly more stage work- something really un-xena).
here's a question for the list - what would like to see lucy do?

back to wonder woman.  you do who they didn't mention - that actress that use
to play on thrid rock from the sun.  dye her hair and she would be pretty good
wonder woman.  also the actress that is jayne mansfield's daughter - marisa
hagerty (?) - is physically a good match.  they might be wise to go with an
unknown or lesser known actress.  michelle yoah i think is a bit too old for
the role but maybe lucy liu and i'm sure there are other asian actress from
hong kong action flics that might work.

cheryla
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:41:32 -0400
From: "Cheryl Ande" <cande@sunlink.net>
Subject: [chakram-refugees] Nonlethal Xena dramas

You know I can't think of any dramas where no one is killed but there may be
some where Xena and Gabrielle themselves don't kill anyone.

Who's Gurkhan - technically neither X or G kill Gurkhan and he is the only one
killed on stage.

Fallen Angel - I don't thing X or G kills any of the demons or angels.

I thought perhaps When Fates Collide but I can't remember if Xena killed any
of the Roman soldiers or merely wounded them and of course theoretically
Gabrielle did kill a whole world, sort of.

CherylA
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:51:40 -0400
From: meredith <meth@smoe.org>
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Who Should Play Wonder Woman

Hi,

cheryla wondered:

>here's a question for the list - what would like to see lucy do?

Oooh, that's a good one.

I'd like to see her do something theatrical ... for instance, I love the 
fact that ROC is currently playing Lady Macbeth in a summer stock theater 
production.  That is just so cool (and dammit, I wish I could see 
it!).  I'd love to see Lucy tackle Shakespeare ... like Desdemona, for 
instance (_Othello_ has long been my favorite Shakespeare play).  Or 
Rosalind in _As You Like It_.

As far as film goes, something totally out of character in an independent 
film would be intriguing too - playing a junkie or something like 
that.  (Like Ben Stiller in _Permanent Midnight_, only believable.)

Mainstream film ... an intelligent screwball comedy (but with a director 
who forces her *not* to resemble Meg in any way, shape or form).  Or a 
random cameo in a flick by the likes of Robert Altman or Kevin Smith (the 
View Askew one).

Then again, it'd be a hoot to see her in a Merchant/Ivory costume drama.  <g>

The cool thing is, we know from watching her in X:WP that she is versatile 
and capable enough to pull off any of these kinds of roles, and 
more.  That's what makes the specter of typecasting all the more frustrating.


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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:24:36 EDT
From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com
Subject: [chakram-refugees] B.Campbell in Bubba Ho-Tep

Variety, July 1, 2002, p. 29, reviews the film Bubba Ho-Tep --

"A clever idea remains funny for a while but is done in by some supernatural
mumbo-jumbo in "Bubba Ho-Tep," a mismatched marriage of offbeat
character study and unimaginative horror riffs.  Most compelling element
by far is Bruce Campbell's inspired performance as a nursing home
patient who insists he is the real Elvis Presley.  ...  Pic finally reps a
blown opportunity, but Campbell's Elvis stands as one of the very best
screen interpretations of the King seen thus far."

Boeotian
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