From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #179 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Tuesday, July 2 2002 Volume 02 : Number 179 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] OS: Laga'aia--Star Wars II ["Jackie M. Young" > [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Another FIN: "Liked? or Disliked?" poll [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> ["Cheryl Ande" > ["Cheryl Ande" > [cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaScola] Fwd: Re: [chakram-refugees] Another FIN: "Liked? or Disliked?" poll [cjln] [chakram-refugees] os/tamara gorski [meredith ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:28:14 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: [chakram-refugees] OS: Laga'aia--Star Wars II I just saw Star Wars II today (yeah, I know, *behind the times* ;( ), and noticed Jay Laga'aia playing Sen. Armadala's security chief (until Anokin relieves him, anyway ;) ). I kept *looking* and *looking* at him (didn't recognize him without his ponytail and stripped-off top and _American_ accent ;) ) and thought I knew the guy, but couldn't quite place him until the end credits rolled and I saw his name.......;( *Good on 'im*!! ;=) (BTW, this was one show where a variety of looks and accents *really* worked.....;) ) Just FYI, - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:34:33 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> On Monday 01 July 2002 09:18, Cheryl Ande wrote: > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > > > > Xena has a plan to follow Hope to the Deliver's lair. She has told Hope > that she wounded the monster hoping that she would go to her son. Sure > enough she does. ROC is wonderful in her scene with the monster. Hope and > her son are a sight to behold. The Deliverer is hideous but oddly touching > as a creature who craves his mother's affections. Hope careens from a cold > detachment as she checks her boy out for injuries to cloyingly sweet as she > caresses her son and she giddily plots Xena's murder (now we know why she > was so happy to see Xena again, she wants another crack at her). I'm afraid I had a biiig problem believing in Dinsdale - oops, the Deliverer. (Hey, that's your mistake! The Destroyer!! :) This was supposed to be the hideous creature that resulted from the worst genes of Dahak _and_ Ares? One of the creatures that was supposed to bring about the end of the world or civilisation or something of the sort? And he was really not as scary as Ares' dog, or Hope herself. > > > The other interesting subtheme is the nature of family. We Hope and the > Deliver's long for the love of a family yet incapable of achieving it > because they are only tools in Dahak's grand scheme. Heroditus and Hecuba > happy to have their oldest daughter home only to discover that she is a > stranger and they can't figure out why. We have Lila who's sisterly > affections almost get her killed. Then we have Xena and Gabrielle > desperately trying to get back with their true family - each other. > Quite honestly, I thought Gabs' family were a stuck-up bunch. Gabs didn't leave them because Xena lured her away - she left 'em because she didn't want to stick around them. IMO. > One extraneous point to ponder - Both Hope and Gabrielle say they sent word > to Xena. How is this done? Is the a post office box in Xena's name? Do > you just tell various traveler - "If you see a six foot woman warrior in > leather tell her that her sidekick bard is over at the Sisters of Gaia > Hospice next to the Halls of War"? Jungle Telegraph? A good question, but one which I think it suits TPTB to be vague about. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:04:48 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Another FIN: "Liked? or Disliked?" poll On Sunday 30 June 2002 05:06, BElannafan@aol.com wrote: > I've been talking to another pup privately and the two of us pretty much > believe that the majority of on-line fans Did Not like FIN. I want to find > out if this is true. Have posted this on other boards to try to get a wide > range of fans to answer this. I have resubbed to Chakram Refugees 'cause I > remember there seemed to be a lot of folks who liked FIN and I wanted to > get their vote. This is posted on other lists and boards. Please vote > only once. Umm, what are you going to do with the results? It seems to me the answers you get will depend strongly which lists you ask on. I haven't seen your questionnaire on any of the other lists I'm on (all of which are 'general-purpose' lists except for Flawless). With an episode that caused such a strong split in opinion, I think it would be very easy to get a strongly skewed result unless you can find a way to ask "all" the on-line fans. Something which your poll might answer - if you keep records of which lists vote which way - is my suspicion that strongly subtexty lists are more likely to dislike FIN. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:40:45 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] FIN-DC DVD On Monday 01 July 2002 09:46, Jackie M. Young wrote: > On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, cr wrote: > > > All I'm asking is that they be *consistent* (I know, a "toughie" for > > > RenPics ;P ). Either keep the American "standard" that they set at the > > > start, or use an accent that's ethnically authentic. > > > > Well, with respect, that's not consistent, that's an exception. And I > > don't recall Renpics ever making such a rule, either officially or by > > implication. > > --Just FYI: I have a NZ 20/20 interview (thanks to a kind Xenite) from > 1996?? in which Diana Rowan, the NZ casting director is interviewed. She > says something like, "We're all asking them if they can do an American > accent" or something like that. > (snips for bandwidth) I certainly wasn't querying the 'American accent' rule (which did get bent to varying degrees during the series, anyway). I was querying whether there was ever a rule that said non-American accents had to be 'authentic'. IMO that was the exception rather than the rule. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:31:30 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> In a message dated 7/1/02 3:03:45 AM Central Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: << > One extraneous point to ponder - Both Hope and Gabrielle say they sent word > to Xena. How is this done? Is the a post office box in Xena's name? Do > you just tell various traveler - "If you see a six foot woman warrior in > leather tell her that her sidekick bard is over at the Sisters of Gaia > Hospice next to the Halls of War"? Jungle Telegraph? A good question, but one which I think it suits TPTB to be vague about. >> I believe in Tale of Two Muses, Xena used pigeons to summon Autolycus. Otherwise, I guess we're to assume people told someone, who told someone, who told someone, etc. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:51:38 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> - ----- Original Message ----- From: "cr" > Quite honestly, I thought Gabs' family were a stuck-up bunch. Gabs didn't > leave them because Xena lured her away - she left 'em because she didn't want to stick around them. IMO.> Yeah her family is just a bit self-satisfied. If I would have been Xena I would have reminded Heroditus that Gabrielle ran away from them as fast her little legs could carry her. I never had a hard time accepting that Gabby would chose Xena over her family. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:35:54 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] <> # # # # # # # # This episode is the one you either think is hilarious or just god awful. I find it hilarious and I have never been found of gross humor - so go figure. I guess what I like about it is that I can imagine that X & G just might pick-up parasites and funguses and an occasional stomach virus. After all their nutrition is awful (rabbit, fish and cheese), they sleep on the ground or in disreputable inns and let's face hygiene has to be problem on the road. So they must get sick and just how does a hero function when she just is feeling crappy. So we have Xena and Gabrielle feeling rotten and bickering like hell. LL and ROC always bring a lot of energy to their comic fights and this episode is no exception: they call each other names (Scaberialla and Xemia), Gabby tosses pieces of her flaking skin at Xena, Xena flicks lice at Gabby and then has her cover herself in goat poo - yes it juvenile and gross and funny. I love Gabby's Technicolor fungus and Xena's screaming lice. The rabid bunny attack makes me laugh every time (vampire bunny was so popular one of the bards, ChrisM, wrote a whole series of vampire bunny stories). Of course my favorite is drooling Gabby - the terror on the face of the would-be assassin when she is torturing him the variation on the water torture makes me cringe but I laugh. Then the sheer disgust on Gabby's face when the prisoner cringes from her when Xena threatens him with a Gabby kiss is priceless. Then we have the main theme of the episode. The rift between Argo and Xena - yes another rift episode. Arog is miffed at Xena for leaving her behind in Sin Trade and won't return to her mistress. Xena is beside herself - LL is wonderful as she laments about Xena's failure as good horse owner. Xena cries and broods and Gabrielle is just a touch jealous. Obviously Xena has an extraordinary bound with Argo - Argo even confides in her - now there is some interesting subtext!. I have always enjoyed episodes where Argo is a character and I'm glad that Argo is just as contentious and difficult as her owner and sidekick. Of course I don't why Xena just didn't explain to Argo that her new horse was about to be a sacrificed - perhaps she didn't want Argo to know about the blood-drinking you know it might upset Argo to know her mistress drinks equine blood. Anyway I like the episode and it is one my all time favorite comedies. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:32:36 -0400 (EDT) From: cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaScola) Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Another FIN: "Liked? or Disliked?" poll If I have to pck one of the choices listed, I would have to choose #5 also. The caveat is that I didn't really like it but LOVED it (and hated it at the same time). The story was heartwrenching and beautiful, loving and sad...what more can you really ask of 2 actors like ROC & LL? I think of Lucy's response to the audience question at the Pasadena convention regarding her ideal part. She talks about playing the role of a woman who has 40 seconds to live and she has to say goodbye to her husband....as her ideal role. Why? Because she likes to make people laugh, but LOVES to make them cry. Certainly did thaT in FIN. cjl ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:39:16 -0400 (EDT) From: cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaScola) Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> Pigeons are good......how about all ther times PONY EXPRESS was used to deliver scrolls.....Crusader, Comedy of Eros. The Play's The Thing, etc,. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:52:57 -0400 (EDT) From: cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaScola) Subject: Fwd: Re: [chakram-refugees] Another FIN: "Liked? or Disliked?" poll Received: from smtpin-2101.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.213.111) by storefull-2331.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by smtpin-2101.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 9F6AFFE36 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Xwpacolyte@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 2.d2.1a5cf907 (4441) for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:44:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Xwpacolyte@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:44:26 EDT Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Another FIN: "Liked? or Disliked?" poll To: cjlnh@webtv.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 In a message dated 7/1/02 6:32:41 PM Central Daylight Time, cjlnh@webtv.net writes: << The story was heartwrenching and beautiful, loving and sad...what more can you really ask of 2 actors like ROC & LL? I think of Lucy's response to the audience question at the Pasadena convention regarding her ideal part. She talks about playing the role of a woman who has 40 seconds to live and she has to say goodbye to her husband....as her ideal role. Why? Because she likes to make people laugh, but LOVES to make them cry. Certainly did thaT in FIN. cjl >> You are SO RIGHT! I actually cried at the end of FIN and I probably haven't cried at a movie in over 20 years, and don't remember *ever* crying over a TV show before. Those RenPic folks sure did pull out all the stops on the series ender, and I'm so proud of them for it. Janice ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 22:21:38 -0400 From: meredith Subject: [chakram-refugees] os/tamara gorski Hi, Funny, since we were just talking about Tamara Gorski recently ... she just turned up on _Witchblade_ this evening, playing a psychopathic psychiatrist who is also a serial killer who wants the Witchblade. If I hadn't seen her name heading up the guest star credits, I wouldn't have recognized her ... black hair, oversized glasses when in psychiatrist mode, all dressed up like Siouxsie Sioux (complete with eyeliner) when in serial killer mode. Pretty cool. Excellent episode in a so far excellent season, too. ============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth ============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html ============================================== ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V2 #179 **************************************