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chakram-refugees-digest      Monday, July 1 2002      Volume 02 : Number 178



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: [chakram-refugees] Help with scripts             [cr <cr@orcon.net.nz>]
  [chakram-refugees] Another FIN: "Liked? or Disliked?" poll  [Xwpacolyte@ao]
  [chakram-refugees] <<Family Affair>>    ["Cheryl Ande" <cande@sunlink.net>]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] FIN-DC DVD     ["Jackie M. Young" <jyoung@lava.net>]

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:07:16 +1200
From: cr <cr@orcon.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Help with scripts

On Sunday 30 June 2002 13:11, cr wrote:
>
> If anyone has copies of the scripts of Sin Trade, Sin Trade 2, Sins of the
> Past, Who's Gurkhan, or When Fates Collide, and could let XT have a copy it
> would materially assist her in getting the transcripts as accurate as
> possible.   Her email is xenatorres@hotmail.com.
>
> Thanks
>
> cr

XT just told me, she doesn't necessarily want complete copies, she just needs 
to clarify some points for her transcripts.   

cr
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 11:06:52 EDT
From: Xwpacolyte@aol.com
Subject: [chakram-refugees] Another FIN: "Liked? or Disliked?" poll

Here's my vote:    5.  Liked FIN a lot
 
In the immortal words of Callisto, "Thanks for asking."

XWPacolyte
Cupid and Psyche...   Antony and Cleopatra...   Xena and Gabrielle.

In a message dated 6/29/02 11:20:36 PM Central Daylight Time, 
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<< 
 Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:06:46 EDT
 From: BElannafan@aol.com
 Subject: [chakram-refugees] Another FIN: "Liked? or Disliked?" poll
 
 I've been talking to another pup privately and the two of us pretty much 
 believe that the majority of on-line fans Did Not like FIN.  I want to find 
 out if this is true.  Have posted this on other boards to try to get a wide 
 range of fans to answer this.  I have resubbed to Chakram Refugees 'cause I 
 remember there seemed to be a lot of folks who liked FIN and I wanted to get 
 their vote.  This is posted on other lists and boards.  Please vote only 
once.
 
 Please pick one of the choices that is the most true for how you feel about 
 AFIN.  Feel free to answer me off of the list.  And let's not to have this 
 devolve into any conflict please.  
 
 Thanks Y'all
 
  1.  Hated FIN a lot (Wanted X & G to walk off into the sunset)
  2.  Somewhat did not like FIN
  3.  Didn't care one way or the other
  4.  Somewhat liked FIN (but wished that Xena didn't die)
  5.  Liked FIN a lot
 
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 Jan V.  Great Post-FIN fanfic   <A 
HREF="http://www.merwolf.com/academy/fanfic/j/janv_thechoice.html">The Choice
 </A> 
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 17:18:26 -0400
From: "Cheryl Ande" <cande@sunlink.net>
Subject: [chakram-refugees] <<Family Affair>>

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Family Affair is an interesting coda to the arc that began with Sacrifice.  It
has some really good performances by ROC and Lucy and even Ted Raimi had a
chance to make Joxer more than comic relief.

First off I thought the director did a pretty good job of misdirecting the
audience in the first meeting between Xena and the supposed Gabrielle.  Xena
is properly stunned to see Gabrielle (the scene is composed of some the most
beautiful footage of Lucy) and a seemingly happy Gabrielle.  After that the
audience senses something amiss.  Gabrielle seems off - her reunion with Xena
is oddly unemotional, she doesn't seem all that upset at seeing the bloodily
corpse hanging from the trees, and finally in the confrontation with monster
in the barn she never lefts a finger to help Xena -  very odd behavior indeed.
Of course it doesn't take long for Xena to figure out that Gabrielle is
actually Hope and the monster, the Deliverer.

After that we watch Xena revert once more back into the haunted person she was
in Sin Trade.  Xena with her vision was sure Gabrielle was alive now she sees
her hopes dashed.  Joxer is perhaps the only one who realizes how badly Xena
is damaged by her disillusionment and perceptively states that she is "more
badly hurt than she thinks".  Xena is now determined to kill Hope - in a
wonderful scene in the farm yard Xena methodically sharpens her sword as Joxer
prattles on but when Joxer says they will kill both Hope and her son Xena has
a blissful smile on her face -  in an episode full of monsters that is a truly
frightening moment.

Xena has a plan to follow Hope to the Deliver's lair.  She has told Hope that
she wounded the monster hoping that she would go to her son.  Sure enough she
does.  ROC is wonderful in her scene with the monster.  Hope and her son are a
sight to behold.  The Deliverer is hideous but oddly touching as a creature
who craves his mother's affections.  Hope careens from a cold detachment as
she checks her boy out for injuries to cloyingly sweet as she caresses her son
and she giddily plots Xena's murder (now we know why she was so happy to see
Xena again, she wants another crack at her).

We then have another nice piece of misdirection.  We see Xena and Joxer both
following Hope.  At first we believe they are following the same person - then
both confront their prey.  Joxer is knocked for a loop by Hope and Xena is
knocked for another kind of loop when she meets the real Gabrielle.  The
reunion between Xena and Gabrielle is what every fan wanted I think.  Very
emotional with Xena being very tender with Gabrielle - a nice touch is what I
believe to have been  an adlib by Lucy when she calls Gabrielle sweetheart.
Gabrielle is obviously emotionally fragile but rallies enough to once again go
on the hunt for Hope.

Xena returns to the farm only to discover that Hope has convinced the family
that Xena has beaten her or worse.  Gabrielle's father orders her from the
house.  Xena goes off to find the Deliverer and to incidentally rescue Joxer.
Back at the farm Gabrielle sneaks into the house to warn her family only to
confront Hope.  ROC is once again very good in a difficult scene.  Hope
however evil has a nice sense of sardonic humor.  When Gabrielle asks why she
isn't dead Hope answers "that wasn't for your lack of trying" and reveals that
she was saved by Dahak and the she was "always Daddy's little girl."  Hope is
of course still obsessed with the fact that she believes Gabrielle loves Xena
more than her.  ROC's Gabrielle, on the hand, give the scene a nice sense of
wistful sadness - she still loves her daughter but knows she must be stopped.
To that end she makes a hasty retreat.

Xena meanwhile has been pursued to the barn by a hungry Deliverer who is
beating the pulp out of her.  Suddenly Mommy appears and calls off the
Deliverer.  We soon realizes it's Gabrielle , practically shaking with horror
and disgust she cradles her grandson as Xena stabs him in the back.  Just then
the real Hope walks in and is stabbed by her furious son.  In a moment of real
pathos the Deliverer realizes he has killed his mother in mistake and cries
out for her, taking her in his arms, and Hope dying embraces him while looking
into her mother's eyes.  Gabrielle watches as her daughter and grandson die
and is compelled to go to them stopped only by Xena.

The final scene sets up what will be one of the themes of season 4.  Gabrielle
is confused - life for her doesn't make sense any longer, she is lost.  Xena
says for her Gabrielle is her answer but together they will search for
Gabrielle's way.  The last shot echoes the last shot from The Quest, Gabrielle
sits with her head on Xena's shoulder  - instead of Xena being back from the
dead now it's Gabrielle who is back but in a lot worse shape.

This is episode has a lot going on.  In addition to the above plot points, we
have an interesting visit with Gabrielle's confused family.  There is a
wonderful awkward moment between Xena and Heroditus - it is obvious that Xena
is viewed as a bad influence on his little girl.  Heroditus is angry by the
changes in his daughter and he blames Xena - indeed the whole family seems a
bit edge.   The real Gabrielle sees her mother crying and Lila doesn't seem
overly surprised when Gabby announces that there is an imposter in the house.
It would have been interesting to see Hope's interaction with Gabrielle's
family - I'm sure it was a bit surreal.

The other interesting subtheme is the nature of family.  We Hope and the
Deliver's long for the love of a family yet incapable of achieving it because
they are only tools in Dahak's grand scheme.  Heroditus and Hecuba happy to
have their oldest daughter home only to discover that she is a stranger and
they can't figure out why.  We have Lila who's sisterly affections almost get
her killed.  Then we have Xena and Gabrielle desperately trying to get back
with their true family - each other.

One extraneous point to ponder - Both Hope and Gabrielle say they sent word to
Xena.  How is this done?  Is the a post office box in Xena's name?  Do you
just tell various traveler - "If you see a six foot woman warrior in leather
tell her that her sidekick bard is over at the Sisters of Gaia Hospice next to
the Halls of War"?

CherylA
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 11:46:15 -1000 (HST)
From: "Jackie M. Young" <jyoung@lava.net>
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] FIN-DC DVD

On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, cr wrote:

> > All I'm asking is that they be *consistent* (I know, a "toughie" for
> > RenPics ;P ).  Either keep the American "standard" that they set at the
> > start, or use an accent that's ethnically authentic.
>
> Well, with respect, that's not consistent, that's an exception.   And I don't
> recall Renpics ever making such a rule, either officially or by implication.

- --Just FYI:  I have a NZ 20/20 interview (thanks to a kind Xenite) from
1996?? in which Diana Rowan, the NZ casting director is interviewed.  She
says something like, "We're all asking them if they can do an American
accent" or something like that.

And in fact, in the FIN-DC DVD commentary, LL roundly makes fun of a
fellow Kiwi (I think the actor who played Kao) for mispronouncing a word
(bad American accent).

Also, in the E! Celebrity Profile from Fall 2000?? (again, thanks to a
kind Xenite), RTapert is interviewed about LL's casting and expressed
concern about whether a "local girl" could do an American accent.

So, yes, someone representing RenPics was quoted saying that it was
"standard", LL herself  criticizes an actor when they don't use it
properly, RTapert was concerned  about it, and in fact, it's a rare
ocassion when we don't hear the "required" American accent.


Just FYI,
- --Jackie

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