From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #176 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Saturday, June 29 2002 Volume 02 : Number 176 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] FIN-DC DVD [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] FIN-DC DVD [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] FIN-DC DVD [meredith ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:34:20 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] FIN-DC DVD On Saturday 29 June 2002 11:33, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > I'd bet she knew at the time that there were undercurrents in scenes > between Xena and Lao Ma, Callisto and certainly Gabrielle, or between > Gabrielle and Njara or Brunhilda (?). I'd say, obviously she had to, to be giving Brunnhilde (for example) those suspicious looks. > But FIN may have been the first time > Lucy saw it from her own perspective played on screen in what could be an > overt way. I expect she would have seen some of the 'rushes', but she'd have no idea what it would look like when cut together. (And as we know from the Gabchak, a lot of the meaning is created in the cutting). > Mind you, there are still some who could see Xena's relationship > with Akemi as mentor/savior/friend. I find it interesting that Lucy > mentions Akemi as the "aha," rather than what to me are far more overt > moments between Xena and Gabrielle in FIN. Probably because it was the first such moment in FIN, IIRC. Any Gabby moments were later on, I think. It is interesting as you say, that it's an Akemi moment she sees and not a Gabby one. I keep forgetting that and imagining the 'kiss' at the spring is 'it' instead, probably because LL's comment is often quoted (in mailing lists) as recognition of the 'subtext', implying X-G subtext. (Which may be implicit in her comments or not). I think it's time I watched the commentary again. Is there a transcript up anywhere? cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:22:20 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] FIN-DC DVD On Saturday 29 June 2002 12:40, meredith wrote: > > The thing with Shakespeare is, the story can be adapted into pretty much > any situation, nation, or period of history. (See last year's _0_ and > _Scotland, PA_, and the aforementioned DiCaprio version of _Romeo and > Juliet_.) This makes any kind of casting possible, and I daresay it's kind > of become expected for theatrical productions of Shakespeare to push the > envelope. Nobody wants to see a straight-ahead, white-bread, men-in-tights > production any more. For example, the acclaimed film version of Richard III (I think?) with Ian McKellen in the title role as a 1930's fascist dictator. The plot translates quite well. > > I don't know about anyone else, but I thought it was very cool that RenPics > cast someone like Gina Torres to play Cleopatra. She was a strikingly > beautiful, believable Cleopatra, so why not? I'll echo that! Best thing in the episode, by a mile. > >--I respectfully disagree. In a show that celebrates *gender equity*, > >*racial equity* should also be paid attention to. Especially in this day > >and age of being "PC", to ignore that would be very "un-PC". > > ... so giving a Maori, who is more than capable of turning in a credible > performance a job should take a back seat to flying in a Japanese-American > from L.A.? That doesn't sound very "PC" to me. I do think, in principle, that it's good to give opportunities to local actors, whether it's being filmed in NZ or Australia or Mexico or Vancouver. (Obviously in this case that principle favours my locality, I can't help that :) But if for example they're filming the 'South Seas' in, say, Mexico and they can find enough actors locally to pass for 'South Sea Islanders' I can see nothing wrong with that. > Now, I haven't mentioned FIN at all ... I do think that FIN did a better > job of incorporating ethnic actors than, say, _The Debt_ and _Back In The > Bottle_. I do think Tapert could maybe have gotten some better actors in > some of the roles, regardless of their ethnicity -- but as I said above, > it's entirely possible that he did the best he could with the acting pool > he was given. > LL did mention, I believe, a shortage of Asian actors in NZ. However, in some cases I think casting is just a matter of luck. They were very lucky with LL, as people have noted. Probably the other actors they considered for that role would have done a good job, but maybe not as outstanding as LL did. But I imagine some actors can seem fine in audition then come out all 'wrong' when it comes to filming the episode itself. Other than re-casting at the last minute, which I imagine causes enormous hassles, there's not much the director can do. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:04:20 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] FIN-DC DVD Hi, Thelonius commented: >No. In fact, Tamara Gorski is (I assume) non-Irish. You assume correctly, sir. She's a native of Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. IIRC, from what a Winnipeg friend of mine has told me, the Gorskis are a rather prominent family up that way. I thought her "Irish" accent as Morrigan was shameful ... almost as painful as the horrible "Maine" accents actors insist upon affecting whenever they're appearing in something that is ostensibly supposed to take place where I grew up. (To a man, they end up sounding like they fell out of Brooklyn instead. ) But other than that, Morrigan was a great character... ============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth ============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html ============================================== ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V2 #176 **************************************