From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #165 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Wednesday, June 19 2002 Volume 02 : Number 165 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: unproduced Xena script [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Season 3 [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:08:06 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: unproduced Xena script On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:09, Lynn W Ribaud wrote: > > > One other -- the bowl, or whatever, that Gabs threw in the cell in > > > "King of Assassins" (I think...). The return flight of that throw was > > > a bit...short. Thanks to Julia Goldman for that one! > > > > Umm, I'm not sure if a dinner plate really counts as a 'stand-in chakram' > > ;) > > Well...I thought of another one, but on Herc -- a shoe. Thrown by > Alternate Xena (quite accurately, to her surprise). So, if shoes count, > why not plates? Yep. Surprise surprise, that ep is on the VCR right now. (Mainly 'cos it happens to follow Web of Desire which is the debut of Nebula.) What did the 'alternate' Xena say? Something like "I guess I had more skills than I thought". Nice line. > > > > I think you may mean Armageddon Now - but, IIRC, it wasn't specifically > > named as 'eye of Hephaestus', it was just a decoration accompanying the > > weapons Heffie had forged. Herc destroyed the weapons, I can't remember > > if the 'decoration' was destroyed. > > As I recall, the "decorations" didn't fare too well. Of course, > that was filmed *after* The Xena Scrolls, for whatever that's worth (very > little in the Xenaverse...). In a small way, it might make the case that > it really was the Eye of Hephaestus even there (A.N.) a bit stronger. Herc certainly did wreck the place. But my recollection is overshadowed by the beeeooootiful scene that followed when Callisto turned up. Callisto and Ares having a spat were just so much fun! > > > And why is it Xena's descendant that has to release him? D'ya suppose > > > Eli's boss has something to do with *that* too? > > > > No, I think not, that pre-dated the appearance of Eli. > > OK, that was *my* attempt at humor. Oops, missed it. Sorry. ;) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:26:56 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24, cande@sunlink.net wrote: > # > # > # > > # > # > # > # > # > > One thing about Xena - they know how to out with a bang. I've must have > seen Sacrifice a dozen times and it still surprises. Oooh, Sacrifice. Oooh NICE! For an episode where everybody lost in the end, this was just so much fun to watch. > This is one terrific episode. First we have wonderful performances by LL, > ROC, Hudson and Kevin Smith. Jody Rimer is very good as the annoying > Saraphim. Saraphim is Gabrielle's childhood friend who is determined to be > Hope's sacraficial lamb. Like most Potadians we have met - she never shuts > up and I have to say it's very satisfying to watch Xena knock her around > just to keep her quiet. I thought Jodie Rimmer did an excellent job in what was always going to be an unrewarding part. (Seraphin was always comfortably bottom of the list on Beth Gaynor's entertaining Rate-a-Character page from the moment she featured on it.) Even Werfner was good, I thought ("Visitors? We don't *like* visitors!") > > Finally we have Huson. Never has Callisto been more giddy or desparate. > Callisto now has only one mission - that is to end her existance. To > accomplish that purpose she allies with anyone will have her. Still > despite her desparate straits she still has her strange and twisted sense > of humor. Great lines abound - when Gabby sees Hope for the first time : > "Oh a mother and child reunion. I'm all misty eyed" Bringing the news to > Gabby that Ares and Hope are together: "I got tired of watching Ares and > Hope rolling around like crazed weasels." To Hope as she enthusiastically > dscribes Dahak's plans: "Yeah, Yeah, Glory Halleluah but what about me" It was actually "Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Glory, Hallelujah - but first, your promise. Come on. Kill me." I think Sacrifice had more lovely ironical lines in it than any other ep, and a lot of this came from Callisto's desire to die. Like "I scratch your back, you stab mine" And Xena's curse on Callisto - "May you live forever!" And "Try not to die before doing me first-- or I'll make Gabrielle wish you had. How's that for incentive?" > Then in the end Hudson once again raises Callisto to the level of tragedy. > As Callisto dies she looks at Xena with such gratitude and affection that > the audience feels it is watching a truly intimate moment. I was pleased that, moments before that, she got the drop on Ares and firebombed him. She'd been trying for two episodes to 'get' Ares and it was satisfying that she managed to before she died. Callisto's spat with Ares was always fun to watch, ever since it really got going in Armageddon Now. But everyone really did lose in this ep. Ares ended up on the losing side and didn't show his face for a whole season; Callisto wanted oblivion, changed her mind, got killed anyway and ended up in Hell; Hope lost, Dahak lost, Xena lost Gabs and Gabs lost her life. Even Seraphin lost the chance to be the bringer of the Goddess, not that anyone cares. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:11:28 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> On Tuesday 18 June 2002 06:16, cande@sunlink.net wrote: > Mark wrote: > > > "I got mixed emotions in this scene. I thought Callisto's laughter sounded > forced -- perhaps it was meant to be so since she was goading X into > killing her. Regarding X's expression as Callisto died, I thought I saw > some regret and sorrow tinged in with the anger and resoluteness. Maybe > the sorrow was that she knew she was doing what Callisto actually wanted > her to do??? There are so many possible levels there." Interesting. I think it would have been more irresistibly ironic if Callisto really had changed her mind about dying just before Xena killed her anyway - but I just can't see that Gabrielle mattered enough to Callisto to affect her that way. If she'd still been insanely vengeful towards Xena, she might have appreciated the hurt Xena was experiencing - but she got over that (or rather, found it was pointless) in Maternal Instincts, with Solan. Been there, done that, didn't work. Also, I think Callisto's laughter, as Mark said, sounded false. So I'm forced to conclude that Callisto still wanted to die and was just tugging Xena's chain to make sure she did it. As for Xena - I think she had mixed emotions. Satisfaction that the enemy she'd hunted - with a vengeance since Solan died - was finally dead, and maybe pity for the tormented soul that Xena had helped to create. And maybe some regrets too. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:02:08 -0400 From: Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Season 3 CherylJ wrote: "Season 5.....well is a little murky and I am willing to cut them some slack due to LL's condition. " Season 5 could be seen as the episode where Gabrielle fully comes to terms with being Xena's equal and partner. Xena also learns to accept Gabrielle as a partner and finally deals with her attraction to Ares (or his attraction to her). CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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