From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #163 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Monday, June 17 2002 Volume 02 : Number 163 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] OT: name change ["i_am livia" > ["Cheryl Ande" ] [chakram-refugees] OT: Alaska & Hawai'i [was: CON 2002 Day 3, Part 2 (Thel, can't you change your headers?!? ;=) LOL ) ] [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 08:38:14 +0000 From: "i_am livia" Subject: [chakram-refugees] OT: name change Hi Everyone, I've changed my address from Megaera_@hotmail.com to "i_am_livia@hotmail.com" Livia (was Meg) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:02:00 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] RE << The Debt>> IfeRae wrote: "I understand your reluctance to give others -- Gabrielle included -- all the credit for Xena's "re-creation" (to borrow the term she uses with Tara) of herself. I agree that she always carried that potential within. However, I also think Cande's comment that Xena "learned" that because of Gabrielle isn't so far off." There has always been a lot of conjecture on Gabrielle's role in Xena's redemption. As I see it Gabrielle played a pivotal role in Xena's quest for redemption. While it is true that Xena was on the path of redemption when she met Gabrielle it would have been very easy for Xena to slip back into the dark. It is very hard to try and rebuild a life alone especially when there are plenty of people who don't believe you can do it, especially if you too have doubts. When Gabrielle first appears she readily accepted Xena as a hero and more importantly as a good person. It is not too hard to imagine with a woman as reviled as Xena was that the simple faith of a young girl must have been a balm to Xena's battered soul. I think that's why she kept the chatty kid around - Gabrielle made Xena feel good. Also you have to admit she also was a pretty good distraction for the brooding warrior - Gabrielle always was able to attract trouble. Gabrielle also was a good example for Xena of what goodness is. It's not the heroic goodness of Hercules but the goodness of a flawed human being. Gabrielle was always striving to understand others and herself. She struggled with good and evil and sometimes she made wise decisions (The Price) and sometimes she made disastrous decisions (The Debt). She was willing to always sacrifice for the greater good and for Xena. When things were the darkness for Gabrielle she always bounced back and kept her faith in doing what was right. Xena had very few role models on how to be a good person. She had Lo Mao but Lo Mao was a saint in some ways and I can imagine that the rough hewn peasant beneath the warrior found very little in common with the philosophical lady no matter how much she loved and admired that person. Gabrielle on the other hand was very much like Xena - peasant girl brought up very much like herself. A girl with dreams and talents that were not understood by her parents or her village just like Xena. It is the similarities between Xena and Gabrielle that drew them together - both women could not be contained by the narrow world they were born into. It is, I think, because Xena could identify with Gabrielle that her example of goodness and strength in adversity resonated with Xena. This was no demigod or intellectual prodigy dealing with good and evil but a village girl like herself. Xena never sees herself as Gabrielle's superior, except perhaps in the matter of experience, so she is open to learn from her. Perhaps what she learns most from Gabrielle is that if you fail you must never be afraid to admit your failures. That failure in fact is the great teacher. In the third season Xena and Gabrielle fail a lot. They make bad decisions, betray their friendship, and screw up mightily but they aren't destroyed by it. Xena learns that all kinds of bad things can happen to you and you can do just horrible things and yet you can emerge from it with your compassion and humanity intact. Gabrielle learns humility and hard lessons about the darkness that lives inside her but this does not destroy her and more importantly it doesn't destroy Xena's love for her. In the end Xena and Gabrielle teach each other. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 18:15:05 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: [chakram-refugees] OT: Alaska & Hawai'i [was: CON 2002 Day 3, Part 2 (Thel, can't you change your headers?!? ;=) LOL ) ] On Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:04:37 +1200, cr wrote: >Hmmm. I suppose it could be claimed as no more misleading than the >English habit of referring to the European 'mainland' as 'the Continent'. >But which continent do they think Mexico, Canada and Alaska are _on_, >then? - --*Ummmm*......on the "not very important one".....;=P Just like Hawai'i's not *really* one of the 50 states, because when mainlanders come here to visit, they always say "Back in the States....", to which my response is, "You *are* in the 'States'--the *50th* state, to be exact!!" ;=P KT wrote: > Alaska and Hawaii are left out usually because things cost more here and > there due to shipping costs. So you'll see a lot of TV ads and ads in > magazines that offer a special deal in nationwide chains, but have fine > print that says, "Offer good only in the continental United > States" or "Excludes Alaska and Hawaii" or "Prices higher in Alaska > and Hawaii". Then Thel responded: >Ya could probably take a court case on that first description. :) - --It's been tried, but to no avail (or, to not _much_ avail, I should say). There's a court case going on here in Hawai'i right now, claiming that the Big 3 gasoline suppliers (Chevron, Shell, and somebody??) have systematically tried to monopolize Hawai'i gas prices, raising them at least $.50 - $1.00 higher than on the mainland. I _think_ the government actually proved their case, but I haven't seen gas prices go down here lately......;=( KT and Jackie, of the "left-out" states. ;=/ - --Jackie P.S. *Sorry* for the forgotten header for the 7th Hawai'i Xenafest...;=( *sigh*.....too much *stress*.....;=( ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V2 #163 **************************************