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chakram-refugees-digest     Tuesday, June 11 2002     Volume 02 : Number 157



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: [chakram-refugees] << Tsuname>>                  [cr <cr@orcon.net.nz>]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: unproduced Xena script  [Lynn W Ribaud <ribaud@]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: unproduced Xena script  [Lynn W Ribaud <ribaud@]
  [chakram-refugees] <<Vanishing Act>>                  [<cande@sunlink.net>]
  [chakram-refugees] Re: Round Killing Thing               [MelosaQu@aol.com]
  Re: Deliverer and Legacy  (was: Re: [chakram-refugees] <<Dirty Half Dozen>>)  [mirrordrum <aemoses@comcast]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] <<Vanishing Act>>                [KLOSSNER9@aol.com]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] Chakram Stuff [formerly Re: unproduced Xena script]   [Xwpacolyte@aol]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] Vanishing Act                    [KLOSSNER9@aol.com]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] Chakram Stuff [formerly Re: unproduced Xena script]   [IfeRae@aol]

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:29:11 +1200
From: cr <cr@orcon.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] << Tsuname>>

On Monday 10 June 2002 11:24, Cheryl Ande wrote:
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> I once said that this episode is my guilty pleasure.  Whenever I just want
> to watch a Xena episode I usually pick this episode.  I watched it again
> this week and enjoyed it just as much.
>

Every episode's gotta be liked by *somebody*, I guess.  

I thought the tidal wave was neat.

cr
...damning with faint praise  ;)
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:22:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lynn W Ribaud <ribaud@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: unproduced Xena script

On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, mirrordrum wrote:

> At 02:22 PM 6/6/2002 -0400, Lynn W Ribaud wrote:
> >Onward, Xenite Soldiers...
> 
> and would this continue about marching to war with the cross (urn? head?) 
> of xena going on before? so many crucifixions,  so little time. one 
> blenches at the thought.

	Err...yes.  I had something a bit more allegorical in mind...

> > > blast. i can't remember when it took on a mind of its own in bt,dt. ???
> >
> >         Well, it didn't, really.  But the climactic throw still suggests
> >some sort of internal guidance, if you ask me.  I could get technical and
> >mention uncertainty...but we don't really want to go there.
> 
> actually, we went there several years ago altho i'm not sure you were 
> involved. a lot of discussion about sensitivity to initial conditions and 
> micro errors getting magnified with each bounce and the like. it was quite 
> entertaining and instructive.

	As cr stated independently, I was indeed one of the guilty
parties.  Your friendly obnoxious community physicist at your service...

> > > and of course, also from the same ep, we have gabrielle's use of the
> > > chakram for fish decapitation. chuckle. that oughta count for something.
> >
> >         Umm...counted for Xena's ire, anyway...about equal to Gab's ire at
> >the bend frying pan.
> 
> i've always like gab standing there muttering at the pan. well, i would.

	I was going to comment about other small moments I enjoyed in A
Day in the Life, but then, I realized that there are too many of them.  It
is, in a sense, a great story on a small scale -- the fun is in the little
things, and they're everywhere in that ep.


					Lynn


Lynn Ribaud, Local Contact
X3A Beamline, National Synchrotron Light Source, Brookhaven National Lab
ribaud@acsu.buffalo.edu
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:46:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lynn W Ribaud <ribaud@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: unproduced Xena script

On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, cr wrote:

> On Sunday 09 June 2002 16:49, mirrordrum wrote:
> > At 02:22 PM 6/6/2002 -0400, Lynn W Ribaud wrote:
> > >Onward, Xenite Soldiers...
> >
> > and would this continue about marching to war with the cross (urn? head?)
> > of xena going on before? so many crucifixions,  so little time. one
> > blenches at the thought.
> >
> 
> Errrm, cross, I think.    Xena should be getting used to it by now.

	Ooohhhh...that sounds a bit...mean.  Or cold, or...something.

> > >         Well, it didn't, really.  But the climactic throw still suggests
> > >some sort of internal guidance, if you ask me.  I could get technical and
> > >mention uncertainty...but we don't really want to go there.
> >
> > actually, we went there several years ago altho i'm not sure you were
> > involved. a lot of discussion about sensitivity to initial conditions and
> > micro errors getting magnified with each bounce and the like. it was quite
> > entertaining and instructive.
> >
> > <snipping mine>
> 
> Yeah.   I started it IIRC, Lynn answered.    I'm not sure we ever agreed on 
> the exact details though.  ;)

	A discussion of uncertainty became somewhat self-referential as I
recall.

> > i did realize afterwards that this does rather drift from the original
> > question which was, i think, about uses not authorized by xena and i reckon
> > in that case, the above two don't count and the use by gab on the eel
> > probably does. i'd also forgotten that callie grabbed and used it in, uh,
> > <necessary evil>. 
> 
> She did?   Oh yeah, was that to start a rockslide or something in the quarry? 
> I'd forgotten that one.   

	Yes, a rockslide.  Much better than a "something", which can be
very dangerous.  ; >  Well, to anyone but Callisto, to whom rockslides
seem to have been the ultimate danger...

	And a bit sideways of the topic, we have stand-in chakrams
(chakra?).  I can think of three -- Gab's in The Greater Good, Meg's in
Warrior...Princess, and the eel in The Quill is Mightier.

	And yet there is something interesting about this discussion in
its own right.  We are so used to thinking of the chakram as exclusively
Xena's that its use by anyone else -- while quite obvious once anybody
mentions it -- is not immediately recalled.  E.g., as I sit here now, I
can't think of any S3 or S5 eps in which it was...appropriated...by anyone
else.  But I can't guarantee that, either...  (And apparently we have a
case in svs7 -- "Fallen", if anyone cares to include that.)



					Lynn


Lynn Ribaud, Local Contact
X3A Beamline, National Synchrotron Light Source, Brookhaven National Lab
ribaud@acsu.buffalo.edu
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:50:08 -0400
From: <cande@sunlink.net>
Subject: [chakram-refugees] <<Vanishing Act>>

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Vanishing Act is a very pleasant comedy with nice performances by Bruce Campbell, LL, and ROC.


There are a number of funny gags in this one.  The story revolves around the theft of a statue of Pax and how the King of Thieves teams up with X & G to retrieve it and his reputation as the greatest thief.  The one sticking point of the operation is that Xena must do it his way - no punching, chakram tossing ot sword swinging.  Xena agrees but Xena is Xena and the pinch appears very soon.  In a funny bit Auto wants Xena to play good centurian and bad centurian in a questioning so Xena uses the pinch.  Auto is the picture of indignant surprise and Gabrielle calmly counts down the guys life as Auto and Xena argue about it - Xena then with surly reluctance releases he pinch.  

The crew finally discovers the statue has been stolen by Trasus (John Brazier).  Gabrielle disguised as the fence Myopia sees him to try and buy the statue.  ROC assumes a very strange accent - I think it's Indian but I'm not sure - and some really nice duds.  She is soon joined by Xena in the guise of Esra another fence by way of Long Island and sporting a large mole on her chin which just fascinates Gabby.  Lucy is very funny as the crass Esra and BC does a very good Ronald Reagan as her hunch back assistant, Bently.  Things a bit out of hand when Gabby and Xena get into bidding war over the statue letting their competetive nature get the best of them.  Xena wins with uping the ante to include the ring of Appollo much to Gabby's dismay.  

Things however really go awry when the bad guy's girlfriend becomes fascinated by Bently's hump and the jig is up.  Auto is captured and Esra is hystically carried off.  Esra quickly turns back into Xena knocks her guard out and meets up with Gabby.  Another funny bit here - Gabby comes across Xena draging the unconcious guard out and as Gabby opens the door Xena politley thanks her and then Gabby accidently hit the guard's head on the wall for which see politely apoligizes. 

 Xena and Gabrielle carry out Auto's plan but Xena discovers that Auto is planning to kill Tarsus, who turns out to have been his brother's killer.  Xena pursuades Auto not to it.  All turns out well when Tarsus is defeated in a brawl with our gang and he discovers that the statue has mysteriously disappeared much to the  displeasure of the Salosian general who came to bid on the item (wasn't it Salosians who were after the urn in Forgiven).  The audience then is let in on the Auto's clever ploy -  the base of the statue has been camoflaged to blend with the courtyard wall and the statue is hidden behind it.  All ends well Pax is returned and Auto gives Xena a chase kiss and firm handshake to the disappointed Gabrielle.

Good episode. 

Interesting observation:  The music in the baquet scene latter became the music for Gabrielle's dance in Who's Gurkhan?

Interesting Transformation:  John Brazier who has played numerous villians on Xena is obviously reformed because he was the one who baptises Eve in Motherhood.

Best Moment:  Gabrielle plucking Xena"s (Esra) mole off.  I believe the mole played a role in a long running joke with Xena's camerman who was periodically the receipent of Lucy's various fake body parts even after he went to film LOTR.

CherylA
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:58:27 EDT
From: MelosaQu@aol.com
Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: Round Killing Thing

In a message dated 06/10/2002 8:46:50 AM EST, ribaud@acsu.buffalo.edu writes:

>   And yet there is something interesting about this discussion in
 its own right.  We are so used to thinking of the chakram as exclusively
 Xena's that its use by anyone else -- while quite obvious once anybody
 mentions it -- is not immediately recalled.  E.g., as I sit here now, I
 can't think of any S3 or S5 eps in which it was...appropriated...by anyone
 else.  But I can't guarantee that, either...  (And apparently we have a
 case in svs7 -- "Fallen", if anyone cares to include that.)<

Well, along the same lines.....Livia/Eve caught it a couple of times, once 
during the Eve Drag in "Motherhood" where Xena threw it to cut the rope and 
Eve caught it before it was able to free her.  But then again....she IS the 
daughter of Xena and has the soul of Callisto.  In "Locked Up And Tied Down", 
Xena *gave* it to Gabrielle but then Gabrielle showed up at Shark Island 
Prison and it was returned to Xena using the famous Rat Toss. 

Just my thoughts....
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:30:53 -0400
From: mirrordrum <aemoses@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Deliverer and Legacy  (was: Re: [chakram-refugees] <<Dirty Half Dozen>>)

At 10:51 PM 6/9/2002 -0400, mirrordrum wrote:
>At 09:56 AM 6/8/2002 -0800, KTL wrote:
>>On Sat, 13 Apr 2002, md wrote and cr replied:
>yeah but you don't know that and my point is that we've heard about the 
>one god before so it's not like it's a new concept to her and the show. at 
>least that's how i got sucked in. after <fistful> and <altared>, i just 
>thought they were perhaps suggesting to us that it was the same one god 
>again and that possibly xena might understandably have thought the same 
>thing. or not.

i just reread this and have absolutely no idear why i mentioned <fistful>. 
i was thinking of <RCoT> & <giant killer> and somehow those morphed into 
<fistful>. believe me, inside my head is frequently a place you don't want 
to be. if you put your ear to my ear, you could hear the ocean. and 
probably the grating roar of pebbles and the breath of the night wind. 
bwwwwwrrrrrrrh!

md the muddled
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:15:29 EDT
From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <<Vanishing Act>>

/ROC assumes a very strange accent - I think it's Indian but I'm not sure - 

I think it was Russian.  I thought it was based on Natasha on Rocky and
Bullwinkle.  And Natasha was based on Greta Garbo performances.

Boeotian
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:06:55 EDT
From: Xwpacolyte@aol.com
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Chakram Stuff [formerly Re: unproduced Xena script] 

In a message dated 6/9/02 11:20:38 PM Central Daylight Time, mirrordrum 
<aemoses@comcast.net> writes:

<< you know that was rather extraordinary. xena's always doing that to 
 everybody else's weapons but i can't, right off hand, think of any other 
 time when another person threw anything at the chakram. >>

Didn't Ares' new protege, Agathon, have some kind of axe-like weapon that he 
threw at the chakram in The Dirty Half Dozen?

XWPacolyte
Cupid and Psyche...   Antony and Cleopatra...   Xena and Gabrielle.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:10:16 EDT
From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Vanishing Act

/ROC assumes a very strange accent - I think it's Indian but I'm not sure - 

I think it was Russian.  I thought it was based on Natasha on Rocky and
Bullwinkle.  And Natasha was based on Greta Garbo performances.

Boeotian
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:07:17 EDT
From: IfeRae@aol.com
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Chakram Stuff [formerly Re: unproduced Xena script] 

In a message dated 06/10/2002 8:07:21 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Xwpacolyte@aol.com writes:

<< In a message dated 6/9/02 11:20:38 PM Central Daylight Time, mirrordrum 
 <aemoses@comcast.net> writes:
 
 << you know that was rather extraordinary. xena's always doing that to 
  everybody else's weapons but i can't, right off hand, think of any other 
  time when another person threw anything at the chakram. >>
 
 Didn't Ares' new protege, Agathon, have some kind of axe-like weapon that he 
 threw at the chakram in The Dirty Half Dozen?
  >>

Did somebody already mention that guy in Dangerous Prey?

- -- Ife
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