From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #131 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Friday, May 17 2002 Volume 02 : Number 131 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] The Bitter Suite [Mirrordrum ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #129 [IfeRae@aol.co] [chakram-refugees] OT: NZ vs. Hawai'i (was: o.t. Ryan Gosling) ["Jackie M] Re: [chakram-refugees] The Bitter Suite [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #129 [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Bitter Suite [MelosaQu@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] The Bitter Suite [Mirrordrum ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Bitter Suite [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Bitter Suite [Mark & Denise ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 00:33:33 -0400 From: Mirrordrum Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] The Bitter Suite At 11:09 PM 5/15/2002 -0400, meredith wrote: >Hi, > >Mark commented: > >>I forget now who sang for ROC, but I thought she was 'right on' with her >>voice >>and inflections. > >Sorry, but I thought she sounded *nothing* like ROC. It was painful to >hear. Someone with ROC's timbre of speaking voice would never have a >soprano singing voice -- they should have gotten an alto, then maybe I >could've bought it. naw, she had to be a soprano. it's more. . ."girlie." 'sides it could've been worse, they could've made her a coloratura. actually, i thought parts of it worked and parts didn't. off and on, the singer's voice sounds to me like gabrielle's voice might sound if renee could sing. not so much the pitch as the timbre. do i mean timbre? quality, tonal value. . .a sort of gravelly or resonant something. i know nothing of these matters but i know what i mean. >> LL, of course, I could listen to for days on end. I was >>shocked at Kevin Smith's voice; it struck me as both powerful and controlled. > >I'm with you there, on both counts. i certainly don't turn down the volume on either of them. i also like ted's voice a lot. it always strikes me as very amusing that joxer suddenly can't sing in . jace shows up and joxer loses his voice. chuckle. md >============================================== >Meredith Tarr >New Haven, CT USA >mailto:meth@smoe.org >http://www.smoe.org/meth >============================================== >Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series >http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html >============================================== >========================================================= >This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. >To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with >"unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. >Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. >========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 01:58:42 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #129 In a message dated 5/15/2002 7:53:36 AM Central Daylight Time, cande@sunlink.net writes: > Ife wrote > > I saw the parallel you spoke of, but for a different reason. .... Both > times, Xena essentially turned her back on two key sources of light in her > life, each time losing herself to > darkness afterwards. Of course, in MI, she lost both sources simultaneously, > > > > I didn't see it like that but that is an excellant point. Yes she is > turning her back on the light that is represented by Gabrielle and Solon. To > be honest I hadn't really thought the last scene in OOW until answering cr's > post but then I really saw irony in the last scene of MI. Of course as we > see in The Bitter Suite Solon's light is not lost but certainly Gabrielle's > light is burning low of both women. > LOL! I guess we both played a role in that "insight." If you review your original post, I think you'll see how you stimulated what I came up with. To think, if Theophilus hadn't asked you to clarify, we wouldn't have realized our different "takes" on what you meant. I guess he gets some credit too. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 20:50:31 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: [chakram-refugees] OT: NZ vs. Hawai'i (was: o.t. Ryan Gosling) On Mon, 13 May 2002 19:13:30 +1200, NZJester wrote: >It's also the cost of the filming permits - the film crew & >the land to film on >The saving from all those areas more than make up for >the cost of flying Actors out from the US > >NZ Film crews are less expensive than US crews >and I'm told far better to work with than US ones - --I'd hafta agree with you there; Hawai'i unions are *notorious* for running productions *dry*, unfortunately, at least up to recently. ;( There was an editorial in our local paper about that many years ago, criticizing the unions for driving off TV/movie productions. ;( But, that was then, and more currently, the State and the unions are trying to make more and more concessions in order to lure TV/movie productions down here (i.e., the deal that was made for Baywatch Hawai'i, etc.). OTOH, CBS found it profitable to shoot here for Hawai'i 5-0 (for 4-5 years?), and many movies also found it workable (From Here to Eternity, James Michener's Hawai'i, etc.) (these are not all, of course, just the most "classic"). >and it's hard to find large areas without people in Hawaii - --That's true for the main island, O'ahu, but not for the outer islands. ;P In fact, I think all the incarnations of Jurassic Park have filmed on Kaua'i, and the new Bruce Willis movie (the one that KSmith was due to be in--*sob!*) is filming there currently, as well. ;P Though I admit, our "large areas" are not as large as yours. ;) *he!* Then Meredith wrote: >Jester already covered most of the reasons why, but I >would also add the exchange rate. The relative >weakness of the foreign dollar against the American >dollar is why so many film shoots have moved to Canada >over the past 10 years or so ... and it's also one of >the reasons why NZ is so attractive to American >production companies. - --I think this is the primary reason. ;( It's sad, because it means that U.S. $$ is going to foreign hands, and not benefitting U.S. workers, unfortunately. ;( OTOH, I think if RenPic had just *tried* it here and found it close to L.A., etc., despite some of the higher costs, they might've decided to stay here. I think they just tried NZ as an experiment, and then started to get established there, then found it hard to move after that. ;=/ Just MO, ;) - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:05:19 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] The Bitter Suite On Thursday 16 May 2002 11:04, Cheryl Ande wrote: > cr wrote: > > " I'd read the spoilers so was expecting the musical - but I still found it > highly disconcerting. The contrast between the Gabdrag and the fairy-tale > world of Illusia _nearly_ lost me. " > > Yes it is a very unusualy stucture a bit like the Wizard of OZ - from drab > and boring Kansas to colorful exciting OZ, of course without trying murder > anyone except for Toto perhaps. We go from very stark reality to bright > and deceptively cheery Illusia. It was interesting that no one really > tried to explain why everyone was singing. You either accepted it or you > didn't. I think it was all part of the same package. Illusia was bizarre, the singing didn't make it any more so. > " I think the Ares that appeared to Xena in the 'real' world was the real > Ares. Callisto I wasn't so sure about, but on reflection, she is a god, > and her motivation could well have been to cause Xena more grief by having > Gabby attack her. So, 'by symmetry', I think that was the real > Callisto." > > Nope I still think Callisto was Gabrielle's subconcious. As far as I can > remember Callisto didn't get out from under the ubiquitous rocks until the > Hercules episode Armagedon Now. I may be wrong No, you're quite correct there. I'd forgotten that. Of course, it might not have been the real physical Callisto, she could have projected her image into Gabby's subconscious. But I rather think the rocks were supposed to damp all the powers of gods, aren't they? So, I've come back to my original belief that Callisto was, as you say, Gab's subconscious, unaided. So much for symmetry. :( > > " I thought that was musically the best part of the episode. And LL does > look good even in a sack. (As I said about The Debt. Still true ;)" > > I have to say I liked the song in The Hall of Echos best then Hate Is The > Star. The Forgive Me song has some good lines and Lucy sings it well but I > though some the lyrics were just a little weak - the music is wonderful. Agreed. The music is better than the lyrics. > And yes Lucy wears basic sack with a nice sense of style. > CherylA Nicely put :) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:29:08 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #129 On Thursday 16 May 2002 17:58, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: (snip) > To think, if Theophilus hadn't asked you to clarify, we wouldn't have > realized our different "takes" on what you meant. I guess he gets some > credit too. > > -- Ife Who's Theophilus? cr aka Thelonius ;-) ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 06:30:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Meredith Tarr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] The Bitter Suite Hi, md responded: > naw, she had to be a soprano. it's more. . > ."girlie." 'sides it > could've been worse, they could've made her a > coloratura. Hey! My mom was a coluratura. Don't you be dissin' coluraturas. > i certainly don't turn down the volume on either of > them. i also like ted's > voice a lot. it always strikes me as very amusing > that joxer suddenly can't > sing in . jace shows up and joxer loses his > voice. chuckle. Yes, that is pretty funny. Sort of underscores the fact that Illusia wasn't real, doesn't it? :) In shock and mourning at the news that DARK ANGEL got cancelled after all, Meredith meth@smoe.org LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 06:39:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Meredith Tarr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] OT: NZ vs. Hawai'i (was: o.t. Ryan Gosling) Hi, Jackie posted: > OTOH, I think if RenPic had just *tried* it here and > found it close to > L.A., etc., despite some of the higher costs, they > might've decided to > stay here. Ah, but if they had, we'd know nothing of the remarkable talents of Michael Hurst, Kevin Smith, Danielle Cormack, Willa O'Neill, etc. ad nauseam ... and oh yeah, some unknown Kiwi hack named Lucy Lawless too. Vanessa Paradis would've accepted the role because it was closer to home, and where would we be then? Probably not sitting here still obsessing almost a year after the sixth season of the show ended. > I think they just tried NZ as an > experiment, and then > started to get established there, then found it hard > to move after that. ;=/ I'm not sure about NZ as an "experiment". When you start a company anywhere outside of your home country, a *lot* of research has to be involved beforehand or you're sunk. (The company where I've been working for the past decade has opened a foreign location since I've been here, so I know this to be true.) You have to make some long-term decisions and commitments that just don't happen if you're staging an experiment. Tapert and Raimi have to have done their homework and determined that NZ was the best place to produce the things they had in mind. Yeah, it was taking jobs and $ out of many American hands, but we've all seen and heard the stories about what it did for the NZ film industry. Peter Jackson never would have been able to make his _Lord Of The Rings_ films without being able to point toward all the talent and expertise the NZ film folks possess -- a lot of which was cultivated by the RenPics productions. Meredith meth@smoe.org LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:06:22 -0500 From: Lilli Sprintz Subject: [chakram-refugees] Tartarus spotting on TV Meredith said, Funny, I was just watching this week's episode of _The Simpsons_, at the beginning of which Lisa's butch gym teacher swears "by Xena" that she's going to turn all of the second graders into gymnasts. .....And speaking of Xena/Hercules references on TV, did anyone see the Andromeda one shown this past weekend and previous weekend? I recall seeing some posts talking about Michael Hurst as the android Ryan (a hint to LL's maiden name, "Ryan"?). Anyway, the part that got me was at the beginning when Sorbo (Captain Dillon Hunt) is trying to convince Ryan to give him the location to where other HighGuard ships are hiding out. Ryan refuses, reevaluates, then hesitates, turns around dramatically and says, "Tartarus." .....At which point I can feel half the Hercules/XenaUniverse turn around and say, "What!?" What I didn't hear on initial viewing previous weekend was Hunt turning around and Ryan saying, "What's Wrong?"...And Hunt saying, "deja vu." OK. That did it. They are playing with our desperate for Xena minds again (gladly). Confirmed after then finding out that all (or most) of the highguard ships in hiding had greek names. Fun! Lilli ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:49:03 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #129 In a message dated 5/16/02 2:19:18 AM Central Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: << > To think, if Theophilus hadn't asked you to clarify, we wouldn't have > realized our different "takes" on what you meant. I guess he gets some > credit too. > > -- Ife Who's Theophilus? >> Oh, crap! I did it again. Um, he's somebody I went to high school with. I remembered getting in trouble with "Theo" in reference to you. Then I couldn't remember if I was supposed to use "Thel" or "Thelo" or something else, so I thought I'd be "smart" and use your whole name. My addled brain reached back and replaced "Thelonius" with "Theophilus." Okay? Happy now? And please note that this time a dissertation is not required on how many of you there are/were in the Xenaverse and why you use the abbreviation you do. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:26:04 +0100 From: Sojourner Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] OT: NZ vs. Hawai'i (was: o.t. Ryan Gosling) At 20:50 15/05/2002 -1000, Jackie M. Young wrote: > >Jester already covered most of the reasons why, but I > >would also add the exchange rate. The relative > >weakness of the foreign dollar against the American > >dollar is why so many film shoots have moved to Canada > >over the past 10 years or so ... and it's also one of > >the reasons why NZ is so attractive to American > >production companies. > >--I think this is the primary reason. ;( It's sad, because it means that >U.S. $$ is going to foreign hands, and not benefitting U.S. workers, >unfortunately. ;( > >OTOH, I think if RenPic had just *tried* it here and found it close to >L.A., etc., despite some of the higher costs, they might've decided to >stay here. I think they just tried NZ as an experiment, and then >started to get established there, then found it hard to move after that. ;=/ > > >Just MO, ;) >--Jackie Phooey. They came, fell in love with the locals - and never wanted to leave..... Hawaii might be beautiful, but NZ has greater range of land-forms ready and waiting to be cinema-to-graphed. "Filmed entirely on location in NZ" ..... Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!! Sojourner ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:28:26 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: Bitter Suite Mark wrote: > I went into it with no expectations whatsoever. My first impression was [being> a guy] 'huh?', but after patiently reading all the posts that followed after the original airing I began to get really captivated by it!" Oh it has nothing to do with being a guy. Musicals are odd things in and of themselves - it's a very artificial medium. I like them especially opera because you examine very extreme emotions so well with music. There were alot of people who disliked BS because it was a musical and X&G didn't examine their emotions enough. There were a contingent of fans who insisted that the gals must talk out their problems. Nice idea but really boring for an action adventure series. A musical allows you however to explore complex feelings and emotions not only verbally (lyrics) but non-verbally (music). Plus when you palce someone in a clearly fantasy world you can have them behave in a way they would not in the real world. Thus Xena who is normally very reticient abou her feelings can now sing about her pain and suffering. She forgets her pride and begs for forgiveness. She can also exhibit the deep erotic feelings she has for Ares something she steadfastly denies in the real world. Gabrielle here is also free to vent her true frustrations with Xena's treatment of her. Also in a really sly way Gabrielle's true feelings for the Podeteians come out - she clearly sees the nasty underbelly of her hometown - the self-statisfaction and distain for anyone different than themselves. I doubt if Gabby would ever admit that her sister is kind of creepy in the real world. Mark: "I forget now who sang for ROC, but I thought she was 'right on' with her voice>and inflections." Meredith: "Sorry, but I thought she sounded *nothing* like ROC. It was painful to hear. " I didn't think she was too bad. I had friends who didn't know ROC was dubbed who thought it was her singing. I, however, thought the girl who sang on The We Can Work It Out from The Lyre, Lyre cd matched ROC better. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:14:05 EDT From: MelosaQu@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Bitter Suite In a message dated 05/16/2002 6:26:46 PM EST, cande@sunlink.net writes: >I didn't think she was too bad. I had friends who didn't know ROC was dubbed who thought it was her singing. I, however, thought the girl who sang on The We Can Work It Out from The Lyre, Lyre cd matched ROC better.< I am not positive about this, but I think the reason she sounded more like ROC is because it WAS Renee, herself, who sang, "We can work it out" on the CD. Just my thoughts.... ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 21:08:59 -0400 From: Mirrordrum Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] The Bitter Suite At 06:30 AM 5/16/2002 -0700, Meredith Tarr wrote: >md responded: > > 'sides it > > could've been worse, they could've made her a > > coloratura. > >Hey! My mom was a coluratura. Don't you be dissin' >coluraturas. easy there, action. ;-> i only *meant* that they could've made her voice less consonant with the character by making her a coloratura rather than a lyric soprano. that is lyric, isn't it? what the singer's voice is? besides, i like coloraturas. or i think i do. isn't bubbles a coloratura? i like trills and stuff. what's leontyne price? oops, i'm drifting. sorry. > > > i certainly don't turn down the volume on either of > > them. i also like ted's > > voice a lot. it always strikes me as very amusing > > that joxer suddenly can't > > sing in . jace shows up and joxer loses his > > voice. chuckle. > >Yes, that is pretty funny. Sort of underscores the >fact that Illusia wasn't real, doesn't it? :) ?????? um, not sure exactly what you mean but that's okay. i thought the name "illusia" did a pretty good job of establishing it as illusory even had the lyrics and costumes not done so. md ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 23:08:13 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Bitter Suite In a message dated 5/16/2002 6:26:46 PM Central Daylight Time, cande@sunlink.net writes: > A musical allows you however to explore complex feelings and emotions not > only verbally (lyrics) but non-verbally (music). Plus when you palce > someone in a clearly fantasy world you can have them behave in a way they > would not in the real world. Thus Xena who is normally very reticient abou > her feelings can now sing about her pain and suffering. She forgets her > pride and begs for forgiveness. She can also exhibit the deep erotic > feelings she has for Ares something she steadfastly denies in the real > world. > > Gabrielle here is also free to vent her true frustrations with Xena's > treatment of her. Also in a really sly way Gabrielle's true feelings for > the Podeteians come out - she clearly sees the nasty underbelly of her > hometown - the self-statisfaction and distain for anyone different than > themselves. I doubt if Gabby would ever admit that her sister is kind of > creepy in the real world. > LOL! More excellent points. You've definitely made we want to review BS again, as I tended to fast forward through some of the parts with a bunch of other characters in them. I wasn't paying much attention to how much they were reflecting the minds and hidden thoughts of X&G. - -- Ife - -- ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 22:52:04 -0500 From: Mark & Denise Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Bitter Suite How about a question regarding the lyrics? Not pertaining to the meaning of them, but one specific part I *never* could quite make out. In the 'War/Peace' song, at the end when the warriors and villagers are chanting "war" and "peace"... it has always sounded to me like the warriors are saying something like, 'because Solan died you must extract revenge'. Or something like that anyway. I can't make out what the villagers are chanting at about the same time. Mark IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/16/2002 6:26:46 PM Central Daylight Time, > cande@sunlink.net writes: > > > A musical allows you however to explore complex feelings and emotions not > > only verbally (lyrics) but non-verbally (music). Plus when you palce > > someone in a clearly fantasy world you can have them behave in a way they > > would not in the real world. Thus Xena who is normally very reticient abou > > her feelings can now sing about her pain and suffering. She forgets her > > pride and begs for forgiveness. She can also exhibit the deep erotic > > feelings she has for Ares something she steadfastly denies in the real > > world. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 00:12:59 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] The Bitter Suite Hi, md replied: >easy there, action. ;-> i only *meant* that they could've made her voice >less consonant with the character by making her a coloratura rather than a >lyric soprano. that is lyric, isn't it? what the singer's voice is? I think so (and I was just kidding, btw -- my mom really was a coluratura, but I don't have any possessive feelings about this :). >besides, i like coloraturas. or i think i do. isn't bubbles a coloratura? >i like trills and stuff. The coluratura soprano is the one that sounds most like the flute. It's the rarest of voice types. (Sarah McLachlan is one, when she cares to use her voice properly.) >what's leontyne price? oops, i'm drifting. sorry. I think she's one too, but I'd have to ask my mom for sure (she keeps track of these things :). >>Yes, that is pretty funny. Sort of underscores the >>fact that Illusia wasn't real, doesn't it? :) > >?????? um, not sure exactly what you mean but that's okay. i thought the >name "illusia" did a pretty good job of establishing it as illusory even >had the lyrics and costumes not done so. I meant that since Joxer couldn't sing in the real world but he could in Illusia, that helped underscore Illusia's status as fantasy world. :) ============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth ============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html ============================================== ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. 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