From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #128 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Tuesday, May 14 2002 Volume 02 : Number 128 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] o.t. Ryan Gosling ["Jackie M. Young" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] o.t. Ryan Gosling [NZJester ] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] o.t. Ryan Gosling [Meredith Tarr > ["Cheryl Ande" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 18:29:11 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: [chakram-refugees] o.t. Ryan Gosling Boeotian wrote: >Surprisingly the top name in the Starmeter is Kelly Hu, who is ahead >of not only her Scorpion King co-star The Rock but also Tobey >Maguire and Kirsten Dunst. - --Kelly's a local- (Hawai'i) girl-made-good, and a Hawai'i Pacific University grad. ;) She's quite proud of her local roots (unlike some others who have made it good and who never want to look back), and deserves every bit of her fame (though I'd wish it would be more for her acting skills rather than her looks, but oh, well....;( ). ;) To make this Xena-related, I'd just wish that Tapert had come here to Hawai'i to shoot, rather than NZ, as we're seeing more and more locals "making it" in movies and TV (Kelly and Tia Carrere, for starters), showing we have the talent here for martial arts and other things. ;) I did ask him at the 2nd Burbank Con, why he didn't shoot here instead of a foreign country and he said Hawai'i was "too expensive". ;( More expensive than.......visas and 12-hour trips and work permits...????? But, oh, well.....;( Just FYI, ;) - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * --Barry Manilow, Manilow Talks CD, 1998 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 19:13:30 +1200 From: NZJester Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] o.t. Ryan Gosling At 06:29 PM 12/05/02 -1000, Jackie wrote: >I did ask him at the 2nd Burbank Con, why he didn't shoot here instead of >a foreign country and he said Hawai'i was "too expensive". ;( More >expensive than.......visas and 12-hour trips and work permits...????? >But, oh, well.....;( It's also the cost of the filming permits - the film crew & the land to film on The saving from all those areas more than make up for the cost of flying Actors out from the US But with all the Good Kiwi Actors they had very few they needed to fly in from the US NZ Film crews are less expensive than US crews and I'm told far better to work with than US ones a few dollars here and there can quickly add up to a few $1000 dollars a day or more and it's hard to find large areas without people in Hawaii Here in NZ we only have about 3 million people and 1 million of those live in Auckland that means there is a lot of NZ free from building that is good for filming TV & Movies If you watch the Lord of the Rings movie you will see some locations that where also used in Xena & Herc in the past The cost of living here in NZ is a lot cheaper than it is in the US so our wages are lower because of that fact - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Catch ya later NZJester - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 22:51:33 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> On Monday 13 May 2002 11:11, Cheryl Ande wrote: > % > % > % > % > %% > > > The rift finally comes to fruition in this very good but flawed episode. > First off let's commend the actors in this one. LL is excellent especially > in Xena's grief over Solan's death. There's a lovely little bit she does > as she holds Solan's body and examines his fingers just as I suppose Xena > did when Solan was a newborn - it's heartbreaking. LL does a wonderful job > then dealing with Xena's rage as she loses her son just as she was about to > have custody of him - Xena is controlled and deadly in her fight with > Callisto I have never seen Xena look more implacable and deadly, than the look she gives Callisto just after she shoots her with the arrow in the village. Lovely scene that. And Callisto's little speech starting with "Hurts, doesn't it?" (and she's not referring to the arrow!) is beautifully done. Right through to the flippant "Welcome to the club" at the end. > but beneath you see the cracks beginning to emerge as she > confronts Gabrielle at the funeral pyre. Anger and bitterness emerge as > she confronts Gabrielle and you know no simple "I love You" is going to > solve this problem. Xena can tolerate a lot when it comes to herself but a > betrayal of a loved one by some one she trusts absolutely is beyond > tolerable and you know you are headed for trouble when Xena walks away. > It's a scene that echoes that one in Orphan of War when Xena gives up Solan > - Xena then walked away into violence and hate and now she is doing the > same. No, I can't see any parallel there. Or, there are a few parallels but the circumstances are so different. In OOW, she was leaving Solan for his own good and safety, her walking off was motivated by love. In MI, she was walking off because she couldn't stand to be near Gabby any more. Motivated by rage. (snips) > > Hudson Leick is outstanding as Callisto. There are some great moments - > Callisto playing a painful hairdresser to Hope, Callsito pouting over not > being able to kill Solan. However the moment that she hears Xena scream in > torment over Solan's death, Callisto transform from simple villain to > tragic villain. Callisto now has everything she has ever wanted. Xena's > family is dead. Her son lies dead at her feet and her soulmate's deception > has caused it and Gabrielle is figuratively dead to Xena. Callisto has > triumphant and it is meaningless. Xena's pain doesn't give Callisto any > satisfaction and now she knows there is no escape for her except the grave > which is impossible for a goddess. Callisto at this point is no longer > Xena's enemy - Xena has no meaning for her any longer and now Callisto > starts on a new quest - one which will bring her oblivion. When we see her > after this Callisto will only use Xena as a tool for her new goal. And again, Callisto has a beautiful speech when confronted by Xena in the cave. "I don't feel better, just empty. So you let me go, Xena. You can't win this battle. And you've already won the war." And, just before that, when she's looking for the children - "Come out, come out wherever you are. I promise it won't hurt. Much." Gotta love that afterthought 'much' ;) Callisto has all the best lines, I think. The writers must have loved writing for her. > Now my biggest criticism with the episode is the writing. I think lfe answered these already, but I'll have a go and see if I come up with the same answers ;) > There are really > big gaffes here. First when Falia is revealed to Gabrielle as Hope, > Gabrielle wants to tell Xena but Hope says Xena hates her. Why doesn't > Gabrielle wonder about this? Xena hasn't shown any animosity to Hope aka > Falia up to this point. So obviously Hope is referring Britannia - why > doesn't Gabrielle wonder how Hope could remember this and wouldn't this set > off alarm bells for her. Well, if Gabby isn't already puzzled by the fact that Hope seems to have grown about ten years in the past few months, I don't think Hope remembering Britannia is going to seem very odd to her. Also, there's a natural human tendency to assume that 'what I know, everybody else knows'. Gabby remembers her contretemps with Xena in Britannia over Hope, it probably doesn't strike her immediately how curious it is that Hope should remember it. > Second why send Hope to hid with Solan? > Gabrielle thinks Callisto is out to kill Solan - the last place I would put > my daughter is next to the kid with the big bull's-eye on his chest (also > why is Kolipus's hut the safest place - if I was looking a kid I'd look in > his father's house). Yes, it's unexplained as to why Kaleipus' hut is the safest place. However, assuming that it is, for some reason, the safest place in the village, I think Gabby sent Hope there as a form of defiance of Xena over Hope - maybe subconsciously motivated - an 'I'll show you!' instinct. > Third when Hope let's it slip that she knows Solan's > name why doesn't she come up a better lie such as: Callisto told me or you > and Xena were talking about him in front me three scenes ago (which they > were by the way). Hard to think up a convincing cover-up lie on the spur of the moment, and Hope may have thought that Gabby was a pushover. > Finally Xena, who can hear arrows flying at her and > stealthy ninja assassins in the forest, suddenly can't hear the last words > of a dying centaur three inches from her face when he is identifying his > killer. Very likely Kaleipus' words were indecipherable, to anybody. But I've got a criticism of my own. When Hope and Callisto are talking in the cave: CALLISTO: Tell me again how Xena looked when you told her that I'd take her precious little secret to the grave. HOPE : Like she'd been stabbed through the heart with her own sword. (snip some lines) HOPE : You'll get your chance. Why do you think I freed you? CALLISTO : To make her suffer? HOPE : To make her stop. Does Hope really think killing Solan will *stop* Xena fighting her and Dahak? All I can think is, Dahak seems to be a rather stupid thuggish god who probably does believe that force will work, and maybe Hope has inherited that way of thought. > Finally lets give a big hand to the SFX people for pin cushion Callisto and > the fight people for the great fight in the cave between Xena and Callisto. Yes, I'm with you 100% on that. One of my favourite eps of the season, in fact, along with the Debts and Sacrifice. I can't think of any other season that has 5 of my favourite eps in it. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 08:38:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Meredith Tarr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] o.t. Ryan Gosling Hi, Jackie wondered: > I did ask him at the 2nd Burbank Con, why he didn't > shoot here instead of > a foreign country and he said Hawai'i was "too > expensive". ;( More > expensive than.......visas and 12-hour trips and > work permits...????? Jester already covered most of the reasons why, but I would also add the exchange rate. The relative weakness of the foreign dollar against the American dollar is why so many film shoots have moved to Canada over the past 10 years or so ... and it's also one of the reasons why NZ is so attractive to American production companies. Like it or not, it all comes down to the bottom line. Hawai'i may have lots of other positives, but the fact that it's in America, and thus uses the American dollar adds up to a huge negative on the balance sheet. Meredith meth@smoe.org LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 18:23:22 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> Cheryl wrote: It's a scene that echoes that one in Orphan of War when Xena gives up Solan - Xena then walked away into violence and hate and now she is doing the same. cr wrote: No, I can't see any parallel there. As I see it repeats two scenes in OOW once when she walks away from Solan as an infant and then again at the end of OOW when she walks away when he is a boy. Both times she gave up her son voluntarily. This time, however, she has him snatched away just as she is about to claim him. She has to walk away from him again - not because she wants to protect him but because she has failed him. Everything she has every feared has happened - he is destroyed because of her - the enemies she made in Callisto and Hope and in an odd way because of her friendship with Gabrielle. I just find the last scene ironic. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 21:45:46 EDT From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] o.t. John the Fearless & Herc User Comments: Lukas Mariman (lukas.mariman@skynet.be) Antwerp, Belgium Date: 9 February 2001 Summary: Entertaining and a lot of fun > This animated 1984 movie starred "Jan Zonder Vrees" (literally, "Fearless > John"), a hero out of Flemish literature. > > It is situated in the historic Flemish city of Antwerp, where Jan/John > lives with his old grandmother. He prides himself with being absolutely > fearless (and he really is), hence his (nick)name. > > One day a prank directed against him goes wrong and results in an incident > leading Jan to be arrested, wrongly accused of assaulting an innocent man. > Jan doesn't agree with this injustice and promptly escapes. He goes on an > adventurous ramble through Flanders, teams up with a sidekick, finds true > love, and eventually fights a monstrous creature known as... Kludde! (A > creature from Flemish mythology) > > Basically, this movie is the age-old story of the hero's journey, a recipe > that never fails. There's adventure, there lots of wacky humour, weird > characters and anachronistic events... Not to mention actual existing > places and historical figures from 15th century Flanders. > > The animation isn't as polished as the usual Disney features - which is > kind of refreshing, really. It gives the film it's own unique character. > The animation is otherwise cartoonish and colourful. > > Concerning the look, fans of "Hercules - the Legendary Journeys" might want > to check out this movie; the main character actually looks very much like a > cartoon version of Kevin Sorbo's Hercules, even up to the similar clothing. > The anachronistic humour and weird & funny characters also make them two > seem somehow related. > > Enjoyable by both children and adults, I highly recommend this one if you > are looking for a change from the usual Disney-type movies. > The above is a user's note from the Internet Movie Database (http://us.imdb.com) page on John the Fearless, a 1984 Belgian animated film based on a local hero tale. It is available on video in the U.S. The viewer compares it to Hercules, the Legendary Journeys. Boeotian ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 22:31:33 EDT From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] o.t. Fearless Nadia User Comments: anonymous New York, New York Date: 3 May 1999 Summary: Whip wielding heroine from 1930's Bollywood is a blast! > If you haven't seen a movie of Fearless Nadia, or for that matter heard of > her, then I strongly recommend you find a copy of this fantastic > documentary! It's brilliant! > > Director Riyad Vinci Wadia, who is co-incidentally Fearless Nadia's > grandnephew, inherited the films of this amazing artiste (as all her films > were produced by JBH Wadia, the grand old man of Indian Cinema) and has > made this documentary as a familial tribute. However like some other such > attempts, this young director (he was 23 when he set about to make this > film) thankfully doesn't fall into the gooey trap of sycophancy, and > chooses intelligence and sardonic wit to tell a quirky tale. > > Fearless Nadia (born Mary Evans) was the only blonde blue eyed star to make > it in Indian Cinema (often called Bollywood) and was its reigning diva for > an amazing 25 years. She was noted for her comedy, sassyness, overt > feminism, but above all it was her unbelievable "stunts" that drew the > audiences in. Her stunts included such death defying acts as jumping into > rocky waterfalls, swinging from high slung chandeliers, jumping from > running carriges onto horseback, or fighting men atop hurtling steam > trains. A buxom woman of androgyne beauty she was (she died in 1997) John > Wayne, Bette Midler, Mae West, Zorro, and Buster Keaton all rolled in one! > Her films were inspired by the Perils Of Pauline serials and other such > early silents, and while she worked in the Talkies period her films retain > some of the charm and simplicity of these early pioneering ventures. > > Director Wadia blends interviews with the star and her collegues and others > with astounding footage that he painstakingly restored over a period of > three years. The documentary has screened excessively at film festivals the > world over and been released on television in several countries. I believe > it is available on video too in North America. > > This is one star turn that will reaffirm your love and faith in movies and > show you how Xena: The Warrior Princess and Jackie Chan are infantile > compared to the magic of Fearless Nadia! > The above is a user comment on the Internet Movie Database page for Fearless: The Huntervali Story, a 1993 Indian documentary film on Fearless Nadia, heroine of 1930s-1950s Indian action thrillers. The user snears at Xena but he puts Xena in the same basket as Jackie Chan, so that isn't too bad. Indians are the greatest film-lovers in the world and India's film industry has been the biggest for decades, producing more movies than Hollywood or even Hong Kong. A note on the Fearless Nadia page on IMDB says she did over 50 films, which I can easily believe. Even IMDB lists only 9 of her films, besides the documentary. Indian films are inadequately documented in the West. The Encyclopedia of Indian Cinema, by Ashish Rajadhyaksha and Paul Willemen (1994), lists 39 titles for her, besides the documentary. They have titles like Lady Robin Hood (1946), Stunt Queen (1947), Jungle Goddess (1948), Fighting Queen and Jungle Queen (both 1956). The title of her first big success, Huntervali (1933) means Lady Hunter. Rajadhyaksha and Willemen says her adventure films were based on the Pealr White silent serials (Perils of Pauline, 1914, etc.) and Tarzan films. "She was always accompanied by her horse, Punjab Ka Beta, except when swinging from one building to another or through high-domed halls via chandeliers, fighting the villain atop a rolling carriage and, most popular of all, jumping from roof to roof on a moving train. She made several train films, especially Miss Frontier Mail (1936), to show off this talent." She was born in 1910, so she worked well into her 40s. Rajadhyaksha and Willemen have a b&w picture of her from Jungle Queen (1956) when she was 46. She is tall, blonde and large-breasted, wearing pants and a shirt. She is standing with a snear on her face and her boot on the chest of a quavering man. Xena would be pleased. Boeotian ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 23:25:34 -0400 From: Mirrordrum Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] o.t. Fearless Nadia >Summary: Whip wielding heroine from 1930's Bollywood is a blast! >Rajadhyaksha >and Willemen have a b&w picture of her from Jungle Queen (1956) >when she was 46. She is tall, blonde and large-breasted, wearing >pants and a shirt. She is standing with a snear on her face and her >boot on the chest of a quavering man. Xena would be pleased. > >Boeotian great stuff, boeotian. i did a google search for "hunterwali" and found a page that has a good article and 3 nice images, 2 of which are movie posters and one of these is for the hunterwali film poster. FN is indeed rather xenaic--or would it be vice versa--with the whip and boots and stuff. also in one of the pics, apparently taken on a set, she almost appears to be putting the pinch on this guy--tho it says she's delivering blows. thanks for the info. http://meadev.nic.in/perspec/may2001/nadia.htm md ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V2 #128 **************************************