From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #115 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Wednesday, May 1 2002 Volume 02 : Number 115 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena and her sidekick [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena and her sidekick [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Con 2002 Day 3 Part 4, etc [cr ] [chakram-refugees] RE: Xena and her sidekick [] Re: [chakram-refugees] Con 2002 Day 3 Part 4, etc [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Con 2002 Day 3 Part 4 [KTL ] [chakram-refugees] Re; The Debt ["Cheryl Ande" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena and her sidekick [IfeRae@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] Re: Xena and her sidekick ["Cheryl Ande" I read a piece of fanfic recently that called Gabrielle Xena's greatest > student. And y'know what? It's true. Xena was her mentor, her teacher, > and in the end, Gabrielle took up the reigns like any great student > would have in those times. Students of Sappho did, and students of > Socrates did. I mean - what would the world be now if there had never > been an Aristotle? > Interesting. I now see Xena as Gabrielle's student as well. Whatever we think of Xena's final act, I do believe she meant it when she said Gabrielle taught her what she needed to fulfill her quest. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 21:24:55 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> On Tuesday 30 April 2002 08:07, Kym Masera Taborn wrote: > From: "Ann Reddecliffe" > > > > # > > > # > > > # > > > ## > > > # > > > # > > > # > > > # > > > > > > > > > King of Assassins isn't awful but it ain't good either. The good parts > > > are: Xena discovering Joxer with Fingers bitten by a chicken, > > > Gabrielle conking herself on the head with the flying wooden bowl and > > > trying to > > put > > > > the pinch on the guard (no wonder she was upset when she learned Xena > > had > > > > taught Akemi the pinch), Gina Torres, and Cleopatra's invite to Xena to > > > come up see her sometime. > > > > Ooooooh yes, Gina Torres. Oooooooh. :)>> > > Isn't it a CRIME that Nebula never got to meet the Warrior Princess? > Yes, I would have loved to see that. > > At some points it felt like a HTLJ ep. Somehow the Joxer/ Jett/ > > Autolycus male bonding stuff is just wrong for this audience and the > > style of the show. > > Also, this was the first episode that really explored it's inner low humor. > We had wedgie jokes, ogling/leering men jokes, etc. It was like an hour > long homage to Porkies... A Day in the Life - toilet paper jokes? Miss Amphipolis - gay jokes? Just two that come to mind. I'm sure there were a couple of non-PC bits in Royal Couple of Thieves, too, (and probably many other eps that I can't recall). All I'm saying is I don't think King of Assassins was the first and it certainly (IMO) wasn't the worst. Thelonius ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 22:22:04 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Con 2002 Day 3 Part 4, etc On Tuesday 30 April 2002 12:22, Lilli Sprintz wrote: > Spillers (actually spoilers) for , , Gurkhan>, (whew) Spoilers for Kindred Spirits and Lifeblood > > > Thelonius, quoting KTL and himself, said: > > (This is quite aside from occasions, like Kindred Spirits, where the > director and actors actually invent an entire scene on the set. That may > have been an unusual circumstance because it was a rush job). > > > I must be out of the fast track. What scene did they invent in progress? > From memory, the 'wrestling' scene, I think. OK, I'll quote some stuff from the Q&A archives on Josh Becker's site (he directed the ep). As I said, the circumstances appear to have been a little unusual in that the original script was decided to be unsuitable and the whole ep got written and filmed in about 5 days flat. To quote Josh's reply to some of the questions: "Do I think it turned out "great?" I think it turned out pretty good given the problems: I had 5 days, whereas all other episodes get 7-8 days, and I received the script on Saturday night and began shooting on Monday morning, so I had almost no prep time- -you usually get two weeks to prep. Luckily, Lucy, Renee and Ted, as well as the crew, are so damn good it didn't matter. As for the title, it means absolutely nothing to this episode. When I first received the script it was dark and grim and was about killing horses and I guess the title had something to do with that story, not the one we ended up shooting. Josh" " In this new episode, "Kindred Spirits," every laugh we got was not in the script, including the big finale, which I suppose is pushing the envelope a bit." "I can't compare the old script of "KS" to any other eps, it certainly wasn't like any that I had done. And no, there wasn't any of that subtext. It was all very grim: the Amazons are killing horses for their ceremonies and intend to kill Argo and Amber, while meanwhile, Xena and Gaby argue all the time. The key person regarding the change in tone and story was the man himself, Rob Tapert, who personally gutted the script and wrote an entirely new outline a week before we shot." "As I've explained before, the script for that episode was entirely thrown out a week before shooting. Rob Tapert whipped up a new outline and had a completely new script written, which came in on Saturday night and we began shooting on Monday morning. That the episode makes any sense at all is something of a miracle, and a true testament to Rob's ability to pull these stories up out of nowhere. I think it turned out pretty well, considering. Josh" "As for the wrestling match in "Kindred Spirits," that wasn't in the script at all, it was entirely my idea, the tone, the lines, and most of the fight moves, although Peter Bell and the actors certainly ran with the whole idea. My reason for adding it was that I thought it would be funny." And somewhere else in his Q&A pages he mentions who came up with which lines. (Forgive me for quoting so much, it's an interesting sidelight on the production, IMO. To see the originals of these, go to www.beckerfilms.com, click on 'Ask the Director' and after the first page there's a link to the archive. Pages 10 to 12 have most refs to KS on them. With reference to writing for the screen, that KT was discussing just now, Josh has an interesting discourse in Page 62 on the subject of how a screenwriter should describe scenes. Be warned, it could take you days to read it all, 90% of which isn't about Xena at all). Incidentally, from Josh's description, evidently bits of the proto-Kindred Spirits ended up in Lifeblood. (big snips) > > Watching ROC do a "fall" off the horse, starting from the roll. > Watching LL pump herself up before that last wagon scene in FIN, before > she's taken out; ROC also, they showed a scene from , > that (if I recall) was completely cut out of the episode. Too bad, > actually, because it really added some depth to some of the other > characters in the harem, whom we had been casually introduced to in the > beginning. Anyway, it's a pool scene, where she throws one of the women > into the water. They show how ROC and the actor's stand-in, have > Gabrielle knock the woman up against the wall. The woman who actually > stands back up is the original actress, not the double, and how they > "blend in" those movements and actors seamlessly. Yes, I saw that and was impressed. It was just so simple yet effective. I imagine many of the action sequences must have had similar double-switches, all carefully worked out. Thelonius ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 21:16:03 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena and her sidekick On Tuesday 30 April 2002 08:09, Cheryl Ande wrote: > I've been following the lively discussion about Xena and the various > effects of Gabrielle being her sidekick. It is interesting to contemplate > what the show would have been without Gabrielle.. If Xena would have been > a lone warrior what would have happened? Well first off I think Lucy would > have had a physical breakdown somewhere in the first season. You need some > one who can help the lead carry the show. Point well made - and I think you're right there. It would have been an impossible load. > > As for some else being Xena's sidekick, that's hard. So much of film > partnerships comes down to chemistry. LL and ROC had that chemistry - I > doubt that Ebonie Smith and Lucy would have had it. I'm quite sure they would. But, of course, without having seen a lot more of them we can't really tell. I don't think it's all that rare - but it's probably very difficult to cast for. Agreed, it's very fortunate that LL and ROC had it. (snips) > Xena was an action show but at it's heart it became a show about a two > people and how they changed each other. It is interesting that you have > people who saw the show as primarily about Xena - her struggle for > redemption. Others saw the show as being about Gabrielle coming of age and > learning from Xena. Yet others saw it as a story about a couple - coming > together, learning to live together, and then facing the final irony that > just as you get it right fate separates you from your partner. In the end > Xena became about show about three characters Xena, Gabrielle, and their > partnership. Respectfully, I disagree with that last sentence. That's a very metaphysical subtexty point of view. The 'partnership' couldn't exist independently of Xena and Gabs. How, therefore, could it be called a 'character' or assume an importance equal to Xena or Gabby? In fact it's possible to watch the show and pretty much ignore the 'partnership' except as background, 99% of the time, just like Batman and Robin or the Lone Ranger and Tonto.... You certainly can't ignore an actual character, like Xena or Gabby, the same way. Thelonius ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 00:08:01 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Con 2002 Day 3 Part 4, etc On Tuesday 30 April 2002 14:46, Mirrordrum wrote: > > > > > Watching LL pump herself up before that last wagon scene in FIN, before > >she's taken out; > > now that was a stunner. she's *so* into it and they keep having to reshoot > it. watching lucy start breathing into the scene before they shouted > "action" was. . .well, i've never seen anything quite like it. she's in the > zone. > Yes. And I particularly noticed the way she discusses how to 'sell' the arrows hitting her and then just slips instantly and smoothly into character as if she's been Xena for the last ten minutes. And the scene itself, in FIN, was stunning. There's a thread (on another list) about 'scariest Xena moment' and I haven't nominated mine simply because I don't think there's any scene in the series that scares me the way 'Aliens' did. Nothing where I have to shut my eyes and not watch. BUT, and this is a different kind of feeling, the moment in the whole series that makes me feel - not scared, but almost real fear for the character - is when Xena takes refuge behind the wagon and the arrows start coming from the other side as well. And I know she can't dodge them all and there's nowhere to hide. I almost can't watch that. Somewhere inside I want to crawl into a hole and pull the hole in after me. *Very* effective film-making. > > > But these women were, > >and are, real athletes, and I got reminded that that is part of what > >they brought into this series. > > well, one of them is an athlete and one of them's just a bloody good actor. > one of the things i remarked was the difference in the way lucy and > renee sell a fight. watching lucy prep for the fight w/ yodoshi--and we're > talking learning the fight sequence the day it's to be filmed--i'm watching > her walk through it with the stunt guy who's standing in for yodoshi > while lucy's stunt double walks through the fight with adrian brown. i'm > thinking there is *no way* this can be the woman who plays xena. i mean, > she's not totally uncoordinated but she's about like an average person with > no athletic skills would be. she's just learning it by rote. > > then they start really rehearsing and shooting it. lucy doesn't fight, she > acts. she does the movements but until she starts acting, there's nothing > there. she sells the fights completely from the gut--or wherever she acts > from. i dunno but it's wizzo. one minute there's lucy sort of going > through the movements and the next minute she's just emanating danger and > skill and warriorness and kicking ass. bedazzling. Yes, it comes from inside. Lucy can generate menace. And I don't know how she does it. Well, I just watched that again and I think I know partly how she does it. When she's rehearsing she's going through the moves more slowly, not really acting, just learning the sequence, like a read-through of the lines. Then when the cameras are rolling, she is Xena - she's moving much faster and her expressions are those of Xena. > renee, on the other hand, seems to me basically to put an acting focus to > her not inconsiderable physical skills. now, i love stunt work so i > appreciate that, but it's not nearly as impressive to me in the acting > sense as lucy's fighting because lucy can't fight and renee can. so each of > them is fun for me in a completely different way. each throws herself > totally into it but each throws something completely different of herself > and each of them seems to come from a completely different internal "focal > point" and to aim at a completely different place. Nicely observed, md. I think maybe part of the diference is that Renee fights more in the conventional martial-arts style. And Lucy doesn't - she's acting the moves she's been shown, which are possibly more appropriate to a sword-wielding warrior. They also seem to be a bit less jerky and rapid and a bit more fluid. I imagine, when weilding a sword, your movements must be slowed down by its weight and inertia. (I'm just trying to make sense of my impressions here, I know nothing of fighting). But quite possibly if Lucy was a trained fighter her style would be less distinct from Renee's. Thelonius ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:04:04 -0400 From: Subject: [chakram-refugees] RE: Xena and her sidekick cr wrote: "Respectfully, I disagree with that last sentence. That's a very metaphysical subtexty point of view. The 'partnership' couldn't exist independently of Xena and Gabs. How, therefore, could it be called a 'character' or assume an importance equal to Xena or Gabby? In fact it's possible to watch the show and pretty much ignore the 'partnership' except as background, 99% of the time, just like Batman and Robin or the Lone Ranger and Tonto.... You certainly can't ignore an actual character, like Xena or Gabby, the same way." Alas I'm a kind of metaphysical subtexey kind of person. Anyway I didn't like the way I put things either. As you so correctly pointed out a relationship can't be a character but what I wanted to convey was that Xena and Gabrielle together - how they interacted, how they affected each other and events became a very important aspect of the show. I know there are people who ignore Xena and Gabrielle's relationsip - I just can't quit understand what they do when episodes like Fallen Angel, Sin Trade, Between The Lines, Deju View, or The Quest show up. How can ignore something that is the primary motivation of the episode. The relationship between the Lone Ranger and Tonto or Batman and Robin never became the focus of any episode that I know of. In Xena the relationship itself became catalyst for many episodes. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:10:26 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Con 2002 Day 3 Part 4, etc In a message dated 4/30/02 5:59:52 AM Central Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: << I think maybe part of the diference is that Renee fights more in the conventional martial-arts style. And Lucy doesn't - she's acting the moves she's been shown, which are possibly more appropriate to a sword-wielding warrior. They also seem to be a bit less jerky and rapid and a bit more fluid. I imagine, when weilding a sword, your movements must be slowed down by its weight and inertia. (I'm just trying to make sense of my impressions here, I know nothing of fighting). But quite possibly if Lucy was a trained fighter her style would be less distinct from Renee's. >> I'm wondering if this also has to do with their different personality/acting styles and characters as well. Lucy goes all out, which is reflected in Xena's large, swinging movements and passion for battle -- mowing down anybody near or 50-feet away . Renee tends to be more controlled, "disciplined," which not only is more consistent with the martial arts, but her character and approach in general -- usually selectively fighting as necessary. Their size may also play a role, in terms of Lucy's broad moves and Renee's more compact ones. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:10:52 -0800 (AKDT) From: KTL Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Con 2002 Day 3 Part 4 > KTL wrote: > > >but I do remember a blow-up at one of the cons-the one which was the > >goodbye to Sorbo and Hurst one. A big number of fans came up to the mike > > --As far as I remember, it wasn't at the goodbye to Herc & Iolaus con (1st > Pasadena), but at the Santa Monica con (3rd H/X con) where fans confronted > the writers like Paul Robert Coyle, etc. Ahhh. THAT long ago. Coulda been. Let me check my notes...oh, never mind... (*ummm*... and it's "Iolaus" ;P > [ya know, I love ya, KT! ;) ] ) > Yes and so does he, and that's why *I* get to drop the "a" and call him by his nickname, "Iolus". (wink!) > And yes, they _were_ mad. ;P > Hoooo, yes they were! > > >OH-I just read the program and realized that Michael was > >signing autographs. Hmmm. I wonder if he ever did before? I know he > >didn't at any of the cons I've seen him at. > > --Yeah, Michael signed before at the last Pasadena con he was at before > this one (1st Pasadena, 4th H/X con). I got one from him, and talked to > him briefly. ;) > > > IIRC, ;) > --Jackie You know what...I had gold seats at that Pasadena con so I think maybe I got his signature too. Yes, YES I did. Doh! KT ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:39:46 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re; The Debt Sojourner wrote: "Not only did her written work suck - but also the times she actually performed as a bard - she sucked. I just LOVE the fanfic which portrays her as some super-bard. That's why it's fantasy.... (recurring theme this week)" Obviously her written work did not suck or else why were Xena and Gabrielle so well known after 25 years in the deep freeze. In Legacy even Arab tribes knew who the two were and they knew because of the scrolls. Joxer and Meg apparently did quit nicely with the Warrior and Bard Cafe and this was I assume because everyone knew Xena and Gabrielle from the scrolls. Gabrielle did win admittance to the Academy in Athens for Performing Bard and when Xena finally read the scrolls she was quit touched by them. We do have two instances where Gabrielle was a bad writer - The Plays The Theing where she got rather wrapped in trying to write a morality tale and perhaps The Quill is Mightier where she tried fiction with herself as hero. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 01:56:19 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena and her sidekick In a message dated 4/29/2002 3:08:45 PM Central Daylight Time, cande@sunlink.net writes: > Xena was an action show but at it's heart it became a show about a two people > and how they changed each other. It is interesting that you have people who > saw the show as primarily about Xena - her struggle for redemption. Others > saw the show as being about Gabrielle coming of age and learning from Xena. > Yet others saw it as a story about a couple - coming together, learning to > live together, and then facing the final irony that just as you get it right > fate separates you from your partner. In the end Xena became about show about > three characters Xena, Gabrielle, and their partnership. > You know, I just got through watching the "Last Dance" video for the first time. It was fascinating seeing Lucy and Renee interacting very much as their characters did. As much as I watched XWP for Lucy, I have to admit, it was seeing them together, arm in arm, that really touched me. I realized I wouldn't have wanted to remember one without the other, any more than it would've felt "right" to have the series end without a sense of the characters going on together in some form or fashion. For me, it's certainly as you say -- a show about "family." - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:50:13 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: Xena and her sidekick Pan the Acrobat and Khan The Great - now that would have been different. You are probably right Pan became Joxer - too bad the lost the mute part. Anyway it would have been interesting to have a mute as recurring character on a TV show. Eventually they would have had to have him be able to communicate in some ways or he would become rather boring as a character ( probably Gabrielle would have had to spend all her screen time interpret his hand signals for the viewers). Khan seems to have met into Callisto. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:56:36 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena and her sidekick S. Wilson wrote: " Gabrielle was Xena's compass. She was some kind of center. She grounded Xena in some ways, and removed the grounding burden in others. Sometimes, if not for Gabrielle, Xena would have kept on driving and never stopped to ask for directions." Yes remeber all this doing good stuf was new to Xena. She really did someone to pont out when she was going a little too far in her efforts. Xena had a tendnecy in the early years to club people into submission it was Gabrielle's job to slow Xena down so she could figure less violent means to solve problems. > " I read a piece of fanfic recently that called Gabrielle Xena's greatest student. And y'know what? It's true. Xena was her mentor, her teacher, and in the end, Gabrielle took up the reigns like any great student > would have in those times. Students of Sappho did, and students of Socrates did. I mean - what would the world be now if there had never been an Aristotle?" Yes Gabrielle was indeed her greatest student. Xena in many ways made Gabrielle the woman she became. Gabrielle became the warrior but one sho learned from Xena's mistakes. Finally Xena had a student she could be proud of. CherylA > > X-Files Off-topic: prolly the main reason I never watched X-Files > religiously is coz I never did like Mulder a whole lot. Doggett, I like > him a little better. He and Reyes have chemistry, but it's not in the > same category as Mulder and Scully's. I think Doggett and Reyes should > get a spinoff, and I think Gillian should do Patricia Cornwell > screenplays. :o) > > S. > > > > > > > --- Cheryl Ande wrote: > > I've been following the lively discussion about Xena and the various > > effects > > of Gabrielle being her sidekick. It is interesting to contemplate > > what the > > show would have been without Gabrielle.. If Xena would have been a > > lone > > warrior what would have happened? Well first off I think Lucy would > > have had > > a physical breakdown somewhere in the first season. You need some > > one who can > > help the lead carry the show. As far as I can remember very few > > action shows > > were about loners. Paladin was one but it was only a half hour show. > > Maverick shared leads, Gunsmoke had an ensemble and towards the end > > became > > almost an anthology with very prominent guest stars, Bonanza had all > > those > > single brothers and Hop Sing (ummmm maybe our first subtext show). > > It would > > be hard to come up with a new cast of characters every week for the > > hero to > > play off so I don't know if you could have sustained that for 6 > > years. > > > > As for some else being Xena's sidekick, that's hard. So much of film > > partnerships comes down to chemistry. LL and ROC had that chemistry > > - I doubt > > that Ebonie Smith and Lucy would have had it. It's hard to pinpoint > > what that > > chemistry is. In the X-Files Mulder and Scully had it and Dogget and > > his > > partner don't. It has nothing to do with how good the actors are but > > if they > > click. It doesn't have to even be romantic chemistry - Lucy had > > Ethel - would > > I Love Lucy still be running if there would have been no Vivian > > Vance to be > > that Ethel. I don't think so after all when Lucille Ball came back > > to TV she > > brought Viviane Vance with her. She knew the power of chemistry > > > > LL and ROC made the relationship much more than just a hero and > > sidekick. > > So much so that the relationship itself became a kind character in > > the show. > > It was the relationship that drove much of the third season and > > almost all of > > the fourth. The complaint that a lot of people had about the 5th > > season was > > that the relationship between the character was missing. In fact the > > 5th > > season treated Xena and Gabby very much like a traditional hero and > > sidekick. > > Xena was off having her life and Gabby was off having her's and the > > two simply > > got together to fight off the bad guys. It didn't please a lot of > > the > > audience and it didn't please Tapert or Lucy. The 6th season once > > again > > concentrated on the relationship putting that foremost and it was a > > better > > season for it. > > > > Xena was an action show but at it's heart it became a show about a > > two people > > and how they changed each other. It is interesting that you have > > people who > > saw the show as primarily about Xena - her struggle for redemption. > > Others > > saw the show as being about Gabrielle coming of age and learning from > > Xena. > > Yet others saw it as a story about a couple - coming together, > > learning to > > live together, and then facing the final irony that just as you get > > it right > > fate separates you from your partner. In the end Xena became about > > show about > > three characters Xena, Gabrielle, and their partnership. > > > > CherylA > > ========================================================= > > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > > ========================================================= > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V2 #115 **************************************