From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #99 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Thursday, April 18 2002 Volume 02 : Number 099 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Herc & Xena--3d worst anim [NZJester > ["Ann Reddecliffe" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [cr ] RE: [chakram-refugees] Herc & Xena--3d worst anim ["Ann Reddecliffe" ] [chakram-refugees] [charkam-refugees] [o.t.] Discovery chan, Scorpion King [KLOSSNER9@aol.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:55:28 +1200 From: NZJester Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Herc & Xena--3d worst anim At 10:58 PM 16/04/02 -0500, Mark wrote: >KLOSSNER9@aol.com wrote: > >> <>Internet Moovie Database, http://us.imdb.com > >> Hercules and Xena - The Animated Movie: The Battle for Mount Olympus >> (1998) (V) 3.5/10 (63 votes) >> 3rd worst. > >Gee -- I wonder why?? I was so turned off by the style of animation that I had no desire whatsoever to see the movie. I do remember reading some reviews that liked the storyline, but I can't >imagine why they [whoever they may be ] decided to go with that style. > > I liked the story but I didn't like the Animation either I've seen some badly animated cartoons in the past as well that had a great story line behind them You have to look beyond the ugly exterior to see the beauty within! With the Xena and herc cartoon I just imagined it with the people from the real show doing the parts and that improved it greatly in my mind Catch ya later Jester My Home Page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~nzjester/index.html New Xenaland http://www.angelfire.com/tv2/newxenaland/ ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:11:01 +0100 From: "Ann Reddecliffe" Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] <> @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ >>Is Xena an insenative lout? No, she is in fact as the episode opens very caring of Gabrielle. She treats Gabrielle's puzzeling illness with sensitivity and tries very hard to assuage Gabrielle's terrible guilt over killing Meridian. >> I think one of the elements of her concern is that she misinterprets Gabrielle's sickness. BY interpreting it as due to guilt, she can empathise with Gabrielle more. This was the thing she had been afraid would happen one day and now it has she can just let her supportive contingency plan come into operation. Xena would have known that there was a high likelyhood that Gabrielle would kill one day and that she would have to be the one to deal with Gabrielle's emotions afterwards. The issues came when she realised that Gabrielle's illness was due to another cause - one unexpected and unwelcome. Then Xena would have felt a sense of betrayal herself and yet Gabrielle would need her even more. Personally, I am impressed that TPTB didn't take the easy way out with the start of this episode. Many people get killed on TV, but we rarely see the human cost of that. Too many times TV gives the impression that you can just kill and walk away without being touched. This killing touched Gabrielle to her soul. Ann ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 21:16:51 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: [chakram-refugees] 7th-Ever Hawai'i Xenafest! ;) Thanks to Jim, our Web page volunteer, we now have updated info about our upcoming Xenafest on our Web page (URL's in my sig block below)! Thanks, Jim! ;) Our *special guest star* will be Robert Trebor (Salmoneus of HTLJ and XWP fame)!! ;=) Bob will be signing autographs and selling copies of his book, Dear Salmoneus, a comic look at what the world would be like if Salmoneus were advising us on life.....;) Bob has also agreed to perform the XWP theme that he improvised on The Gauntlet, if we provide nuts (macadamia or otherwise). ;) So, mark your calendars and pass it onto your friends: Sun., June 9, 11 am - 3 pm, UH-Manoa, Hawai'i Institute of Geophysics 110, (advance tickets $5, at the door $6) XENAFEST!!! (Volunteers and donations gratefully accepted. ;) ) - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 23:50:50 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Deliverer Spoilers for , s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s On Wednesday 17 April 2002 11:39, Cheryl Ande wrote: (snips) > > The characters learn from their adventures. In Gabrielle's Hope, Gabrielle > floats Hope down the river something she saw done in Cradle of Hope (hum > odd coincidence there in the titles). Oh yes. Hmm, one could almost imagine that the writers had Season 3 in mind when they wrote Cradle of Hope.... but I don't really believe that. However, floating Hope down the river (in Britannia) was a bit of a YAXI - since in Maternal Instincts she turns up in Greece and tells Gabs Senticles' lamb was found in the basket with her. Of course this is only a few months later and she's already - what, 10 years old? So obviously she's still growing like demonspawn and quite possibly she's lying to Gabby about being found in the basket. Thelonius ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 23:56:29 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> On Wednesday 17 April 2002 14:07, Cheryl Ande wrote: > cr wrote: > > " I think that was the best trick played on the audience in the entire > series. And I'd be surprised if there was anybody who wasn't completely > taken in by > it. Neat stuff!" > > A great trick pulled off not only by Marton Csokas underplaying of the > "good" Kraftstar but Joe DoLuca's great background music. Everytime > Krasftstar talked about his one god the background music was very similar > to the music heard in Giant Killer and Altared States thus leading the > audience into assuming he was talking about the same god. I hadn't noticed the music - but I'll quite readily believe it's as you say. Because for one reason or another it never occurred to me for an instant that K's mob were anything other than early Christians. There was a nice bit of dialogue about that too - Xena: "So this is not the One God of the Israelites" K: "No. That one will be taken care of in due course". Nicely menacing. > > " The only drawback is, we never really got to see what happened with the > Boadicea vs Caesar battle." > > Well once Dahok reared his fiery heard Caesar sort of fades as a villian. > But if I was Bodica I'd be really pissed at Xena but then again she if > defeated Caesar she would get all the glory. Now thinking about it Caesar > must have been defeated since Xena doesn't seem worried about him chasing > after her during Garielle's Hope. > > CherylA I believe there was some verbal reference in some later ep to Caesar having been defeated - but it was very perfunctory. Actually, though I didn't like Caesar, I preferred him as a villain to Dahak. But the best villains - Callisto, Ares, Alti - had personality, they were colourful. Dahak just had no charisma at all. T ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:02:49 +0100 From: "Ann Reddecliffe" Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] Herc & Xena--3d worst anim >> Hercules and Xena - The Animated Movie: The Battle for Mount Olympus >> (1998) (V) 3.5/10 (63 votes) >> 3rd worst. > With the Xena and herc cartoon I just imagined it with the people from the real show doing the parts and that improved it greatly in my mind>> The only trouble with that was the fact that Gabrielle's character spent most of the movie as a bird. Not quite the image some of us want to conjure with for ROC. Ann ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:57:28 -0800 (AKDT) From: KTL Subject: [chakram-refugees] Con 2002 Day 3, Part 3 Next was the charity auctions. They had already scheduled an auction to benefit New Zealand's Starship Hospital's "Safe and Sound" appeal and the James Ellis Foundation of Hofstra. I have to admit I am once again an unreliable informant. I never pay much attention to the auctions, because I have my own charities I've selected to support. (And the only one of "mine" that's also one of "theirs" is Girls, Inc. I was glad to see that one being pushed by Renee.) Sooo, I honestly don't remember much about the auctions for Starship and the Ellis Foundation. But I DID suddenly remember that I was supposed to be taking notes so I did write down some of the prices paid for the donated materials for the benefit of Kevin's family. I was told later by my roomie (oh, I guess I can now call her "Julie" since she outed herself as my roomie the other day, grin) that the charity breakfast had also been different this year, just like just about everything else about this con. Usually, asking for autographs is not allowed, she said. But she brought with her a leather address book, on the front cover of which she had hand-tooled the "Xena" logo. She always brings things like this to donate to Creation to auction off for charity. She left the book out on the table at the breakfast and when the actors came by, she told them she was going to donate it to be auctioned off for Kevin's family. She got autographs from every single cast member who was at the breakfast. And certainly none of the security people protested her doing that. In fact, she was going to give up her gold seat autographs to have the folks who hadn't been at the breakfast sign the address book instead. But she talked to a Creation staffer and told her what she was doing and the staffer spoke to Sharon and they told all the stars' "handlers" to let Julie get two autographs-one for herself and one for the auction. Creation also had donated a number of things that the actors had all signed to be auctioned off for the family. So what I have from memory and in my notes (which are virtually incomprehensible-I could be a doctor with this handwriting!) on the auction are: Hudson's kisses $6,000 Alex's half outfit. About $3,500 Ted's Jett outfit. $2,000 Renee's outfit $1,500 (This was half to private [presumably the donor], half to Kevin's family) Adrienne's autographed Motherhood script $900 Renee's autographed Love Letters script $900 A Xena shirt autographed by all the cast at the con that day $800 Tim's autographed photo of himself and Kevin on the town for the last time $600 Sears' photo with Karl Urban's inscription $100 Julie's Xena Logo autographed address book $200 The Love Letters poster autographed by Michael and Renee $800 Michael's autographed Love Letters script $800 Josie Ryan's flowers from Lucy and Rob about $150 I missed what they got for the Xena poster and for the rest of the stuff that Creation had donated. Creation announced at the end of the day that $25,000 had been raised during the con for Kevin's family. That's pretty amazing, considering just how small the audience was. It was an extremely generous group of people who were there, the cast members who gave up personal items but most particularly, the small group of fans who came up with this huge amount of money, in such a short amount of time. How kind and generous they were. After the auction there was a short break, then Jacqueline Kim came on. I was very happy that she was at this con, since she is just about the only major actor from XWP whom I've never seen at a con. Since the Debt is my favorite ep and the first of the Evil Xena eps, yes I consider Jacqueline one of the major actors of the series, even though she was featured in only one story and seen in a few flashbacks in later ones. Her role was memorable. She came out and the first thing she did was to express her regrets and sympathy over the loss of Kevin. She didn't really know him but she wanted to extend sympathy to his family and friends. And then she talked about how great it was to have worked on XWP. She mentioned the good writing on the show as being part of the great experience she had there. She was another one who was also effusive in her praise of Lucy, mentioning that Lucy was a strong woman and a good person. She said that she really related to Lucy, since they are both strong women and said something like, "Being women, you have that deep down inside chemistry". That got a few suggestive hoots from the audience which she mostly ignored. It's interesting to me that this theme of "this show features strong women both in the characters and in real life" is repeated so often by the Xena grrls. As I was watching Hudson this year, it suddenly struck me just how out there, loud and powerful so many of the women of XWP are at these cons. I think that certainly is due partially to the characters they were presented with by Tapert & company and how they were encouraged to play them as over the top women. So when the women of XWP come to the cons and act that way, the audience that loves this aspect of their TV characters responds happily and supportively to their con stage personas also being wild and bold. Claire, Hudson and Vicky are certainly the most "out there", and they also exude a very female raw sexuality at the cons. But all of the other women who have recurring roles have a real pleasing confidence and most of them talk about loving how strong and powerful the characters Tapert gave them are. XWP was just a great company of females. And of course, Lucy was never afraid to let strong characters women be on her show. (And she never calls it her show, she has always said that it took the whole crew to make Xena at all, never mind make it the hit it was.) Recently I read an interview with Lucy. And she talks about when she was scheduled to be on the X-Files. She says something about not being sure how Gillian would take to her, since some women are just so competitive. And when I read that, I wanted to just slap Lucy on the back of the head and say, "Yeah? So? Some people are overly competitive. Is it especially a problem if a woman is overly competitive? Is it not a problem if a man is? Why the gender distinction?" Hell, being competitive is what keeps you alive-it's in every successful animal's genes. But of course it needs to be balanced with cooperation and teamwork too, to survive and pass on your genes. (End of rant.) ANYWAY, Jacqueline didn't go the loud, bold route. She presents herself as a strong QUIET woman. She was a very calm person onstage. She seems very confident and...there was just a stillness about her. She didn't fidget, she didn't take on any stage character, she didn't do any imitations of Lao Ma or anyone else, she just stood there with a gentle, interested look on her face, a slight smile, as she focused in on us while communicating with us. She held herself in an attentive manner while talking and listening, as a person does when they are truly involved in a conversation with someone. She told a story about filming the tub scene. That they were running out of time and there were all these men standing around trying to get it down on film and they were having trouble because of it being underwater. And she said that Lucy said to her, "Just close your eyes and stick your head in the water and I'll find your mouth." And that was it, Lucy did indeed found her mouth and pulled it off. And Jacqueline laughed about she and Lucy, the two women just going ahead and getting the scene done while the guys stood around trying to figure out how to do it. Jacqueline is one of the few actors who show impatience with the constant drumming of a subtext interpretation of scenes. Which is very interesting, since of course many fans consider Lao Ma to be one of Xena's ex's, and the Debt to be one of the strong subtext eps. Of course, perhaps that's why Jacqueline gets so many questions or comments on subtext. Some people do seem to have trouble separating the actors from their characters. What happened here was that when Jacqueline said, "...and I'll find your mouth", some members of the audience whooped and laughed. And Jacqueline made a little impatient gesture and immediately rephrased her sentence to, "...I'll find you". From what Jacqueline said about she and Lucy both being strong women, I would venture to guess that the reason Jacqueline is impatient with the subtext take is that she doesn't buy that "strong women must be lesbians" thing. That old saw that says that any woman who is strong, independent and competent must be a lesbian, because straight grrls just ain't that way. Maybe... I've heard folks say that Jacqueline felt that the first drafts of the Debt script leaned too heavily towards presenting Lao Ma and Xena as having a sexual relationship and that she asked that it be toned down. But I don't know where that information comes from-if Jacqueline did indeed say it somewhere or if someone associated with the show said it or if it's just fan gossip. You know, it just struck me that not every actor gets hit with subtext questions. I've never seen Adrienne, Kevin, Karl, Tsianina, Bruce, Greg, or Vicky asked about it. At least, not at the cons I've been at. (Oh, let me rephrase that--not that I've HEARD at the cons I've been at.) I bet that fans who care about the subtext have learned which folks are happy to affirm the subtext version and which don't care one way or the other. In other words, Claire and Alex are the ones who get asked about it the most. And they do indeed affirm it. Grin. I do remember Tim being asked once about a relationship between Xena and Gabrielle. And his answer was something along the lines of, "Yes, Xena and Gabrielle. And me." Heh. Jacqueline talked a little bit about the problem of women getting jobs, particularly women over 30 and for strike three, women who are not Caucasian. Someone brought up that they had enjoyed Jacqueline on West Wing, when she played a naval officer and mentioned that it was really kewl because it wasn't a stereotypical role for an Asian person. It was a role for just anybody and yet they didn't go for the default of white male. She said something about Lucy Lui, talking about how beautiful she was and that she was glad she was finding work in both TV and movies. Then one of the fans asked what I considered to be a fairly innocuous question, "Where do you live?" I imagine that the fan just wanted to know the city. But it appeared to really spook Jacqueline, to freak her out some. She stood perfectly still, staring at the fan and then got a little flustered and just refused to answer that question. I think maybe the intensity of some of us con goers is not something she's totally comfortable with. I bet she figured if she gave us ANY clues, we'd be camped on her doorstep the next night. Someone else mentioned her guest role on ER. And said that she had a lovely voice-she sang a lullaby to her baby on ER. So of course, we all screamed for her to sing to us. (This always cracks me up-we're like so...determined to not be left out of anything. "You sang for the damn ER audience, by the gods, you'll sing for us, too!") And she did. She sang the lullaby from Dumbo. Well, I've been told this was the lullaby from Dumbo. "Little one" ? And boy, she DOES have a lovely voice. I mean it's one of those voices that when you hear it, your mouth just drops open in wonder. Gorgeous. Damn, I wish Lao Ma had sung to someone. She could have sung to her son. Or to Xena. I wonder if PacRen knew that she could sing? She would have been great to use in Bitter Suite. I would have loved to have seen a duet between her and Lucy in that ep. And that's all I remember about Jacqueline Kim. Just one more guest to go-Michael Hurst. (Ahhhhhhh, almost done--coming into the home stretch now...pant, pant, pant) Oh, one thing that I just found in my notes--The wallpaper on the computer on the concierge's desk at the hotel was a picture of Lucy as Cleopatra from "Ant'ny and Cleopatra". I wondered when I saw it if the concierge had done that or if some helpful fan had put it up on there. KT ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:49:09 EDT From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] [charkam-refugees] [o.t.] Discovery chan, Scorpion King As most of you know, Discover Channel at 7:00 (Central) time tonight has "The Scorpion King Unveiled," for 3 hours. The sub-literate blurb in my paper's TV guide says "chronicalization of ancient civilizations from new findings to women-led empires; host Kelly Hu." Repeated at 10:00 Central. Boeotian ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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