From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #60 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Tuesday, March 5 2002 Volume 02 : Number 060 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Dreamwatch mag [Sojourner ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 07:50:03 +0000 From: Sojourner Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Dreamwatch mag At 21:28 03/03/2002 -0500, KLOSSNER9@aol.com wrote: >Dreamwatch, Feb. 2002, has some items of interest. > >p. 8, note that producer Robert Hewitt Wolfe had been fired from >Andromeda, after Kevin Sorbo complained that the series had become >"too clever and too complicated". Nice to see Kevin continues to play to his strengths - basically stupid and simple. Even to the point of getting someone fired - but he obviously has the best interests of the franchise (don't you hate that term? what happened to the creative endeavour part of what is actually a dramatic presentation?) in mind. Kev must thank god every day he didn't get caught up in the clever trickiness over on the Xena set. All that ambiguity! Sojourner ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 07:53:45 +0000 From: Sojourner Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Con 2002 At 22:56 03/03/2002 -0500, Cheryl LaScola wrote: >Regarding "Americans understanding og Kiwi accents........... > >I have to jump in here as a often maligned New Englander from New >Hampshire, USA. True we have many "accents? or dialects, in fact most >countries do, but I have to say understanding Kiwi is much easier than >some New Yorkers or accents from the deep SOUTH. > >It isn't a crticism of any region, just that everyone's perceptions are >different and we all hear a little differently. > >As for Kiwi, I had no trouble understanding Lucy or even Kevin in >interviews. No doubt you do have to listen harder in the beginning, but >given a little time it gets easier. > >The trickier part is in the different meanings the same word has in >different countries....e.g. JUMPER in England means SWEATER in America >and BOOT in England is the same as the TRUNK of a car in the USA. >Anyone know how that pans out in KIWI????? > >Cheryl J Sounds awfully familiar - tho we also use the words pullover (think about it....) and jersey for sweater. A jumper is usually a cute plaything for a baby who likes to stand up and bounce. Thanks heavens I moved to England not America and can still use boot not trunk. Sojourner PS here's some help for the kiwi-english challenged http://cr01.orcon.net.nz/nx/sojourne/newxenaland/nxtalkingtokiwis.html ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:25:10 +1300 From: cr Subject: Final episodes (was:Re: [chakram-refugees] CON 2002 Day 2, Saturday) On Saturday 02 March 2002 22:20, KTL wrote: (snips) > > Someone else asked a question to bring out Fates being used as the very > last ep. And Katherine answered that there had been some discussion on > that. Which makes absolutely no sense to me-it was no more of an ending > than any other ep. Why would it work as an ending-nothing was resolved in > it-it was just the season six companion piece to the Way where Krishna > tells Xena that the way of the Warrior is the right path for her and that > she needed to follow the path of her life just exactly as she had done, > and Chakram, where we all realize that Xena is not Xena without her dark > side. (Something MANY of us knew right from the start.) > > I suspect that the only reason this being an ending ep was even discussed > was because it was filmed so late in the series. I imagine it wasn't a > serious contender-I can't believe that Rob and RJ would give up having the > final word on the story of Xena-as they did with FIN. > > Actually, we were given four "ending" eps in season six. Many Happy > Returns, where the grrls literally and stereotypically ride off into the > sunset together (but with the classic XWP quirk of using a god's helmet to > travel); Send in the Clones, where the grrl's bodies are cloned with their > memories of their real world (rather than the show's world) intact and > therefore restored to life in present day America, riding off to new > adventures in a cab; Soul Possession, where the souls of the grrls > reincarnate and finally get switched back into their appropriate > look-alike bodies and walk off together towards new adventures (and both > of these are post Xena's redemption of course) and Friend in Need. But > Fates as an ending? If Fates, why not Gurkahn? Why not Heart of > Darkness? Why not God You Know? None of these were ending eps and > certainly Fates wasn't either. I'm very glad that idea was dropped. Interesting point to consider. But I think, really, Friend in Need was the only Season 6 episode that really qualified as a finale for the show. IMO, the finale _had_ to ba a major dramatic episode, (not a comedy), and it had to be 'mainstream' i.e. not 'alternate Xena'. Many Happy Returns was a comedy and too lightweight to be the finale. I'm reminded of the Hercules finale, Full Circle - I found that quite unsatisfying as a finale. It would have been OK as an ordinary ep. (In fact God Fearing Child is, IMO, the true finale for Hercules - the fates of Zeus and Hera were given enough weight to make a worthy series finale.). Clones - OK, I loved it, and the theme of a present-day Xena and Gab carrying on the good work is intriguing - but again, it was light, and an alternate storyline, not 'mainstream'. The same goes for Soul Possession. And When Fates Collide was also an 'alternate' episode. Yes, it was 'heavy' enough to be a finale, I think, but it wasn't mainstream - I would have felt very disconcerted if the only 'real' Xena and Gabs that we saw in the whole ep was one minute at the end. Some other eps that could have been 'finales' - I guess - could have been You Are There (where Xena fixed the 'god' situation for Ares and Aphrodite) or even Return of the Valkyrie. But, though excellent eps, they didn't have the epic quality _and_ the sense of finality that a finale should have. So, regardless of how the end was written, (and whether Xena had been revived by Gabby or not), IMO Friend in Need was the only Season 6 episode that could really qualify. T ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 21:38:09 -0500 From: meredith Subject: [chakram-refugees] o/welcome to eltingville Hi, I just watched the latest addition to Cartoon Network's Adult Swim lineup: _Welcome To Eltingville_. It's about four hard-core geeks who comprise The Eltingville Club, a Sci-Fi/Fantasy/Gaming/Horror club that meets in the basement of the club's president (who is also "Secretary of Fantasy"). As the review at aintitcoolnews.com said, this one hurts. :) I recognize *way* too much in it ... I think many of us here could say the same. :) The climax of the episode is a trivia contest between two of the club's members, with the prize being a mint original Kenner 12" Boba Fett figure, never taken out of the box. (The scary thing: all of the answers are right!!) There were two X:WP references in the show. The first came early on, when Josh ("Secretary of Science Fiction") shows up for the club meeting and whips out a brand-new videotape, "Sexy Sirens Of Sci-Fi X". He proudly announces that it features all sorts of b-movie actresses "and even real actresses" in various stages of undress. "It's got Callisto in the buff, and Tasha Yar in nothing but her underwear!" The second was right before the trivia contest. The club members are firing snarky shots at one another while they browse the local comics shop. The exchange goes something like this: "Okay, then, what's Lucy Lawless' bra size?" "You've got to be kidding me. Everybody knows that!" "Every sad fanboy, anyway." Apparently what premiered last night is only a pilot, but I would dearly love to see more. Info on the folks who perpetrated this piece of animated brilliance is at http://www.houseoffun.com/. I hope more episodes are aired soon... ======================================= Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth ======================================= Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html ======================================= (: New England Patriots - Super Bowl XXXVI CHAMPIONS :) ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V2 #60 *************************************