From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #47 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Wednesday, February 20 2002 Volume 02 : Number 047 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Kevin [mirrordrum ] [chakram-refugees] My favorite Kevin Smith Con moments [KTL ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Internet MDB on K.S. [NZJester Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Kevin thanks for this--and thanks KT. very much. this has been so hard. kevin is on my mind daily, hourly, minutely since the deal went down. and now, well, mostly i think of those who are suffering from his loss (including me)--and i've wished i could be with y'all. and i'm glad, too, that you were there and that it seems to have mattered. i, and i know many others, were with you all in spirit. and with kevin and his family too during the time we knew he was in trouble. i agree with hudson. kevin's fine. the wretch. he's done his vanishing act and left us holding the memories. i gotta say, *nobody* could pitch a god ball better than ares--tho xena and callisto occasionally came in close second. he just had the touch, ya know? and i will never, as long as i live, stop giggling when i hear his maniacal laugh, watch him in warlords or being driven mad by the furies. i'll be glad when i can watch those again with sheer delight and a sense of gratitude, i expect i'll be crying a bit more first. the gods bless the man. i keep thinking about lucy's baby and about that b, s & t cover of the old song "and when i'm dead, and when i'm dead, dead and gone. . .there'll be one child born and a world to carry on. there be one child born to carry on." well, kevin, you've left a lot of us to carry on and one child coming soon that we know of. may you abide in peace and may those who love you eventually find peace as well. md At 12:05 AM 2/19/2002 -0500, MelosaQu@aol.com wrote: >Hi all.... > >To echo Hudson's words.....he is ok, he is fine. It is his family that needs >the support right now. Thank you KT for your report about the Convention. I >spent the weekend there as well, but I don't think I could have reported it >as well as you did. And I don't think I will listen to the Bitter Suite >soundtrack again in the same way. This weekend was indeed....bittersweet. I >am glad I was there. There is something remarkable about being in a room >with many persons, hearing tragic news such as this and knowing you are not >alone in your feelings of shock, grief, and depression. I want to thank all >those who were there.....I was saddened, to say the least...but being around >all you folk really did help. I am grateful for me, in a selfish way, that I >wasn't alone this weekend. Thank you all....those at the Con and those on >this list. > >Just my (saddened) thoughts...... >========================================================= >This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. >To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with >"unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. >Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. >========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:06:45 -0900 (AKST) From: KTL Subject: [chakram-refugees] My favorite Kevin Smith Con moments My first favorite Kevin Smith Con moment was: Fan to Kevin, "If you could be any other character on the show, who would you like to be." Kevin, "Argo". And he ripped that out IMMEDIATELY--he didn't have to think about it at all... Note: The following con moment is rated PG for language. My second favorite Kevin con moment was when he was answering a fan question and was talking about how being an actor had changed his life. And he told us how he was driving with his wife in the car and a guy in another car cut him off. And Kevin gave him the finger. And he sees the guy scowling at him at first but then suddenly obviously recognizing him and saying, "Hey! That's Kevin Smith!" And Kevin looks at us dead pan and says, "And my wife says, 'See--now EVERYBODY knows what a dick you are!'" The following coming attraction is rated R Stay tuned for more info on Con 2002, including this actual quote from Hudson, "So, how much do you think I should charge for a blow job?" KT ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:01:12 EST From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Internet MDB on K.S. The Internet Movie Database has this note in today's gossip column. http://us.imdb.com Xena Star Dies In China Xena: Warrior Princess and Hercules: The Legendary Journeys star Kevin Smith has died from head injuries after a fall in China. The 38-year-old martial arts star, who was voted New Zealand's Sexiest Man at Christmas, was pronounced dead upon arrival at a hospital in Beijing last week. Smith, who played Ares, God Of War on both Xena and Hercules, leaves behind a wife and three sons. He was scheduled to start filming an action movie with Bruce Willis next month ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:28:08 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Internet MDB on K.S. Hi, Boeotian forwarded: >The Internet Movie Database has this note in today's gossip column. Y'know, I hope there is some sort of an official statement at some point as to exactly what happened. I wish this not out of any desire to invade Kevin's family's privacy, but so that the conflicting details that are starting to fly around can be put to bed for good. Still chuckling at KT's con remembrances posted here earlier, ======================================= Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth ======================================= Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html ======================================= (: New England Patriots - Super Bowl XXXVI CHAMPIONS :) ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:12:07 +1300 From: NZJester Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Internet MDB on K.S. At 07:28 PM 19/02/02 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, > >Boeotian forwarded: > >>The Internet Movie Database has this note in today's gossip column. > >Y'know, I hope there is some sort of an official statement at some point as >to exactly what happened. I wish this not out of any desire to invade >Kevin's family's privacy, but so that the conflicting details that are >starting to fly around can be put to bed for good. > On the TVNZ1 News they released this information about Kevin Smith's fall Apparently he was alone at the time of the fall and no one actually saw the fall he was found at the base of a tower that had been used in the filming of the movie Warriors of Virtue II that Kevin had already completed all of his contracted work on the previous day No one knows why he was up the tower They have stated that tests showed he was not drunk at the time They said that at one point Kevin was recovering well then he suddenly took a turn for the worse and went down hill very fast So there is still a lot of mystery surrounding his death It was at the time he seamed to be recovering that they stated his injuries where not life threatening Why they would say he was D.O.A. on the Internet Movie Database is strange Catch ya later Jester New Xenaland http://www.angelfire.com/tv2/newxenaland/ ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:22:27 -0500 From: "bookdaft" Subject: [chakram-refugees] What I Did During My Trip To Pasadena Con 2002 I'm breaking my post into 4 days. It's too long otherwise. What I Did During My Trip To Pasadena 2002 Day 1 This was a travel day. I flew out of the Gerald R. Ford International Airport, based in Grand Rapids, Michigan. One thing I have noticed is that whenever I wear some sort of Xena t-shirt, and I think most especially when Xena herself is on it, I get positive responses. Coming out of the restroom, a woman noticed my shirt and said, VERY nice t-shirt. Of course I agreed. It also becomes a badge by which con-goers recognize each other. When I changed planes in Minneapolis, a woman came up to me and asked if I was going to the Pasadena con. She knew, because of the t-shirt; she was also going, although she wasnt wearing one a Xena shirt at the time. Oddly enough, she had never seen this shirt, even though its been available for some time. I think I bought it two or three years ago. But not everybody is up to date on all the available merchandise. After arriving in Pasadena, I waited around to early register. Having done that, I scoped out the Creation merchandise already there. They are selling a lovely powder-blue convention T with Lucy and Renee in the foreground and several scenes from various episodes over the seasons, such as Between The Lines, Endgame, Sins Of The Past, Past Imperfect, Locked Up And Tied Down and a few others. Behind these images is a list of all the episodes. It isnt easy to tell, but I think the all episodes from the 6 seasons are listed. If a person wanted something that encompasses a nice portion of the show, this would be a good souvenir. After that, I turned to the collectibles table and finally escaped after spending some big bucks on some convention specials. Im not into buying or getting autographed items, but these were signed by both Lucy and Renee and they seem like a good investment  depending on whether I can part with them or not. Over the course of the con, I spent many more big bucks, and will be paying for it in overtime for a long time to come. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:31:26 -0800 From: "Kym Masera Taborn" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Whoosh call for papers The April issue of Whoosh will be an In Memoriam for the actor Kevin Smith, who recently passed away. We are looking for submissions about the actor and his craft, the characters that he brought to life, any reminisces or memories you have of the actor, and anything else you can think of. We will be taking submissions up to the very last minute, but if you turn it in as soon as possible, it will have a better chance of making the April issue. Everything accepted will be published, but it you want to have it in the actual April issue, then please turn it in as soon as possible. Send all submissions to Kym at ktaborn@lightspeed.net. Please feel free to post this to other lists. Thank you Kym ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:00:59 -0500 From: "bookdaft" Subject: [chakram-refugees] What I Did During My Trip To The Pasadena Con 2002 Day 2 The convention opened with a World Premiere of Coffee Talk with Lucy and Renee discussing what happened during filming. They used the two newest Creation calendars as reference and it was fun to see. Some of what they talked about has been reported before. <> At one point, Lucy talked about playing Anthrax from Many Happy Returns, and said she tried to model the character after her brother Dan. Renee said Dan looked better and Lucy said Better!? in mock outrage. The other thing I found entertaining was when they brought Julius and little Miles in. Julius is chattering away as only a two-year-old can and Lucy casually slips a finger in the back of his diapers (not into potty-training yet) and checks them. It was a sign of how relaxed and informal the whole session was. Miles, at the time, was sucking on Renees finger. They ended the bit, when both boys began to get fussy. <<>> Claire Stansfield was up next. I only recall a few points, but someone asked if she might consider acting again if a really good part came along. While she wouldnt say no, she indicated that her acting days are pretty much over and she is directing all her energies to directing and studying directing. Someone, who had directed in theater, asked for tips on how to get into directing film. And Claire described how she started. When she began, digital cameras werent generally available, so she used video. She pointed out that video is different from film and so is digital. But she would have liked to have started out in digital, even if it is different from film. She was also asked what she thought of FIN. She said she thought it was beautiful and had a grand sweep to it; that it was a large story, filmed expertly. But she also noted that it didnt work in several points in telling its story and that was why it failed. Claire has had contact with the fans over the last year, and has received much positive response to Bat Mordas alternative FIN ending through the Triple XXX revue, so she knows the feeling against the episode is deep and strong. Tsianina Joelson followed Claire, and she was a bubbly as last year, but with at least one of these cons under her belt. She talked a bit about auditioning and that she auditioned for a part as an Amazon, but didnt know she would get the part of Varia. She also talked about her fight with Renee in Path Of Vengeance. Most of what we saw on screen was the two of them, as has been previously reported and she praised Renee for being so good. She said she really enjoyed doing that particular fight scene and that it took about 7 hours to film. One of the tales she told was of working on the fight scenes in Coming Home. It was her first time on Xena and she was enjoying herself so much that she couldnt stop smiling. The director had to tell her to be serious because this scene was supposed to be serious. Last year, she was asked to flex and she mentioned it this year. But, as she pointed out, she was wearing a long-sleeved shirt, to avoid being asked to do it again. It was mentioned in the program and in preface to the Ares video that our thoughts were with Kevin Smith. Later someone asked Sharon Delaney if there was some way we could send a get-well card to him, and Sharon promised to look into it. Friday had 2 episodes shown, Many Happy Returns and Send In The Clones. Sandwiched in between the episodes and a new Draco music video was Ted Raimi and Bruce Campbell. Both talked about many things over the course of about 45 minutes on stage, some of which I can recall here. Ted is still directing music videos. Bruce talked a bit about his book  actually more about book signing and its promotion. He mentioned one interviewer who was a priest and also a journalist, who asked some insightful questions. At the other end of the spectrum was ending up on a local cable station in New York on a show with a local hooker. Bruce pointed to this as the weirdness of book promotion. That segued into a discussion of working with Tracy Lords and on Hercules, Xena, Jack Of All Trades and Teds old show, Seaquest. One of the indications of a show on the skids when in syndication, Bruce noted, is the tendency to put a show in the late off-hours. That happened to JOAT, and certainly contributed to its demise. They said they will be in Spiderman. Bruce also asked a question of the audience that I didnt expect. He wanted to know how many liked FIN and how many didnt. From where I sat, near the back of the Preferred seating section, about 4 people who liked it raised their hands. A huge majority who didnt like it raised their hands. Bruce mentioned the re-release of Evil Dead 3  Army Of Darkness and said that his film about the fans  Fanalysis, would be included in that DVD. Finally the evenings entertainment closed the day. It began with Lucys sister, Josie Ryan performing her one-woman play, Sister Wonder Woman. When it began, there were references to the big star, Rhonda Carter and her sister and most of the audience could see the parallels between Lucy and Josie. But it quickly diverged, so that those parallels were of no importance. Josie speaks in a North American accent, perhaps even better than Lucy. And she used a southern accent for Rhondas sister, Sylvie, and father to provide separate voices. I thought it was quite good, but was marred by the sound system, which doesnt work well in that barn of a place. Josie looks much like Lucy, with her dark hair and the high cheekbones, but after watching her on stage, you can see there are big differences. I think Josie might be shorter than Lucy and has a much fuller torso (references in the play are made to Sylvie being fat). There is a resemblance between the two, but Josie looks like herself. The highlight of the evening was Claire and Hudson, called the Hudson and Claire Show. Act I had Hudson and Claire dancing in front of the screen which was simultaneously showing Fred Astaire dancing with one of his early partners, probably a very young Ginger Rogers. Claire is dressed in a mans tuxedo and Hudson in a ball gown. They dance along with the film  and Hudson can really dance well. Then a male dancer, Forrest Walsh, comes out, taps Claire on the shoulder and dances with Hudson, putting her through some really great dance steps, to the point of flipping her over and over. About that time, Claire intervenes by knocking the guy out, with a pretty good right cross. The crowd cheered mightily here. Hudson gratefully went back to dancing with Claire. The next part of their program was a part music video, part film by Claire of Cellist and Alti. If anyone has ever seen Claire and Alex Tydings perform L.N. James Rigid Xena And Opposable Gabrielle, then you would be familiar with this short. In this case, it is Opposable Alti and Callisto. It revolves around bringing back a dead Xena, but in the end becomes much more than that. I found it hilarious and I hope Claire considers taking it around to other conventions, Creation or otherwise. The final part was a scene from David Rabes The Boom Boom Room. Hudson and Claire come out as Las Vegas showgirls (and great looking they are) to the tune of Xanadu. This particular piece is about heterosexual and homosexual love and taking chances, with Hudson playing the part of the naove, young showgirl and Claire as the older, experienced woman who has bedded both men and women. I wont describe it more than that, but I do hope we have the chance to see it again. This last piece was also plagued by poor sound, so that Hudson and Claires lines were inaudible. Perhaps the next time they can do it in a venue agreeable to this kind if intimate play. bd ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:25:19 -0500 From: "bookdaft" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Note On Pasadena Con Report For those who may be interested in reading about my reports of the last two days of the con, I'll post those tomorrow. I'm still editing what I have right now. It's getting late and day 3 is the most important day. I want to be sure I can get everything right. bd ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V2 #47 *************************************