From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V2 #38 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Monday, February 11 2002 Volume 02 : Number 038 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Speculations on M'Lila [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena question for discussion <> [cr > [Xwpacolyte@aol.c] Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena question for discussion <> [IfeRae@aol.] Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena question for discussion [IfeRae@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] TVZone 147/OS: Darius ["Jackie M. Young" ] [chakram-refugees] Regarding the Encyclopedia Xenaica [HawkFalco@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:18:19 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Speculations on M'Lila On Sunday 10 February 2002 09:15, meredith wrote: > Hi, > > Thelonius inquired: > >Anyway, I was just speculating that M'Lila could have fitted into more > > eps, at least until Sin Trade. (I hope I'm not infringing list rules by > > speculating on might-have beens? The list has been pretty quiet lately, > > maybe some discussion might liven it up.) > > I don't have a problem with speculation. I engage in that sort of thing > all the time, particularly on the _Buffy_ list I'm on. For me, it's part > of the fun. :) > > I agree that M'Lila was killed off way too soon. I think that's a case of > TPTB not using foresight in their planning. If they had realized how good > Ebonie Smith was going to be in the role, maybe they'd have adjusted things > so something else would've pushed Xena over the edge (or decided that > Caesar's betrayal would be enough), and we could've seen more development > of Xena's relationship with M'Lila. So much was hinted at, but not > actually shown. > I agree with part of your comment - 'if they'd realized how good Ebonie Smith was going to be in the role'. But I'm not sure we can accuse TPTB of lack of foresight for failing to anticipate that. How could they know in advance? I've heard that Destiny was originally going to be a two-parter - I wish it had been. I think the material - just what they had on screen - could easily have ben filled out to make two episodes without starting to drag. T ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:51:02 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena question for discussion <> On Sunday 10 February 2002 07:30, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/8/2002 10:35:19 PM Central Standard Time, > > taurodea@yahoo.com writes: > > Married with Fishfeet itty bitty spoiler > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > I guess my embarassment could fall under "Married With Fishwhatever". > > The episode, I think, was just a TPTB superduper-brainfart. There's > > literally nowhere in the XWP canon that it fits. But it had a cute > > moment in it that had me rolling - the Lolita scene. :) > > Those who know me would probably use "serious, wry, intellectual, > high brow" to describe me and my tastes. Whenever they ribbed me about my > XWP obsession, I'd emphasize the female empowerment and provocative > philosophical aspects. Fishsticks was the one ep that seemed the > antithesis of that -- with the bawdy, adolescent humor and fantasies of a > low brow men's magazine. Except for the campiness, there was very little > in it that I'd ever want someone to think represented the essence of XWP's > appeal to me. > > Having said all that, I laughed my head off at it, thoroughly enjoyed > watching ROC's (yes, and even Ted's) performance, and am astounded that it > is now the only Xena-lite ep I've actually rewatched solely for my > enjoyment of it. And since I can put it in the context of the whole, I do > appreciate that it represents Xenastaff's creativity, risk taking and > willingness to poke fun at itself and allow its cast to showcase their > multidimensional talents. > > Whew! Thanks for the opportunity to confess that. I feel much better now. > > > -- Ife Well now, you are now part of the smallest endangered minority in the Xenaverse - smaller than the Ulysses fans, more endangered than the Joxer-Gabrielle Romantics, more inexplicable than the Good Angel Callisto Appreciation Society. The only bit of Fishsticks I halfway like is the catfight between Discord and Aphrodite on the dock (and they did that better in My Best Girl's Wedding anyway). I found the whole Gabdream part (to coin a term) so bizarre and embarrassing, that it spoilt what would have been a quite funny turn by Discord and Aph as Brooklyn broads. It was partly those deformed kids, partly the pseudo-Flintstones tone of the whole thing - it was just _too_ incongruous. There was just no rationale for it. As a Lucyfan, I'm just very relieved she wasn't in that bit. I've liked all the other 'non-period' Xena eps - Xena Scrolls, Deja Vu, Clones, Soul Possession - but they all had a logical basis for their existence. MWF just didn't. Actually, had it been an episode of Married With Children, I would probably have found it funny - which just shows (I guess) that I have certain expectations of what tone various shows will have. I also liked - hugely - You Are There, which is equally 'impossible'. Why can I accept that when MWF cringes me out? I think it's that YAT is - 90% - - a 'normal' Xena episode, with just one 'impossible' circumstance - the presence of Nigel and his camera team. That much I can easily accept and it's funny. MWF just goes completely overboard in the 'impossibility' factor and that loses me. T ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:03:27 EST From: MelosaQu@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena question for discussion In a message dated 02/09/2002 3:18:05 PM EST, meth@smoe.org writes: > Queen Melosa remarked: >>To have become so >>addicted to a show based on a half seen, goofy episode is beyond >>me.....something that is really hard to explain to an non-Xenite, to be sure! > Hey, I became addicted after seing the last act of "The Xena >Scrolls". Realizing that the show didn't take itself seriously is what got >me watching. You're not alone. :) This is reminding me of another phenomenon in the Xenaverse that I find interesting. I don't know if there is a term for it...I haven't been to the Encyclopedia Xenaica in a while....but it seems like every fan of Xena I have talked to, whether it be online or in person, remembers the very first episode they ever saw that got them hooked. I mean, I watch other shows.....X-Files, Buffy, of course, and consider myself a moderate Trek fan, but I certainly don't remember the very first episode I saw from those series as well as I do from Xena. Even the casual viewer of Xena, who may not remember the title of an episode, can still tell you what it was about. Some of us even remember where we were, time of day, time of year, etc. I can honestly say, no other show, past or future, can or will bring forth these memories! :-) In the words of Mr. Spock..."Fasinating". Just my thoughts.... ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:25:58 EST From: BElannafan@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Xena Dolls On another board a couple of weeks ago there were folks who had found the 12" collectable Xena dolls at Kay-Bees toys and other places. Of course this sent me into a tizzy of driving to all the local toy stores to find these items before they were gone out of existence. I now have three of these collectibles for myself plus I bought the few extras that the local stores had. Cleaned them out, as it were. :) Sooo my point is this: I have 4 Warlord Xena from "Armageddon" and 2 Gabrielle Amazon Princess from "The Quest" dolls. I would be willing to sell them for the price I got them plus shipping ($12.00+). OR I would love to trade for dolls I don't have. (Beside the two I just mentioned, I also have the Harem Xena with Pillar of Power). I know that $12 is more expensive than others have been able to find but I figured it was still reasonable enuf for those of you out there who can't find these dolls at all. Mail me off the list if you want these or want to trade. Thanks Jan ============================================================ Consideration is given, Respect is earned, Jan. You know you're a redneck Jedi when Darth Vader says' "Come with me, Luke. I am your father and your uncle." ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:20:00 +0000 From: Liz Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena question for discussion At 09:03 10/02/2002 -0500, MelosaQu@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 02/09/2002 3:18:05 PM EST, meth@smoe.org writes: > > > Queen Melosa remarked: > >>To have become so > >>addicted to a show based on a half seen, goofy episode is beyond > >>me.....something that is really hard to explain to an non-Xenite, to be >sure! > > > Hey, I became addicted after seing the last act of "The Xena > >Scrolls". Realizing that the show didn't take itself seriously is what > got > >me watching. You're not alone. :) > >This is reminding me of another phenomenon in the Xenaverse that I find >interesting. I don't know if there is a term for it...I haven't been to the >Encyclopedia Xenaica in a while....but it seems like every fan of Xena I have >talked to, whether it be online or in person, remembers the very first >episode they ever saw that got them hooked. I mean, I watch other >shows.....X-Files, Buffy, of course, and consider myself a moderate Trek fan, >but I certainly don't remember the very first episode I saw from those series >as well as I do from Xena. Even the casual viewer of Xena, who may not >remember the title of an episode, can still tell you what it was about. Some >of us even remember where we were, time of day, time of year, etc. I can >honestly say, no other show, past or future, can or will bring forth these >memories! :-) In the words of Mr. Spock..."Fasinating". > >Just my thoughts.... I would agree with you. I remember the first ep I saw, which I disliked and decided not to bother again (Chariots of War). Then I next saw Return of Callisto and was hooked. The recent article in NZ's PAVEMENT magazine talks about cult-shows and hit-shows. They place XWP in the cult-show category, and shows like ER (for example) in the hit-non-cult-show category. I can hypothesise that XWP became a cult show in part because of the take-up explosion of the internet. I got online about the same time I saw ROC - and the community that built around the show and fan-fiction went hand in hand (for me) with my enjoyment of the show. The first post I read about the show was a review of ADITL - an ep I didn't see for another 4 months. I'm sure there's a masters thesis in here somewhere - and no doubt a bunch of Whoosh articles! Liz ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:24:12 EST From: Xwpacolyte@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena question for discussion <> Spoiler space for <> and <> . . . . . . . . . In a message dated 2/10/02 12:38:39 AM Central Standard Time, IfeRae@aol.com writes: << Those who know me would probably use "serious, wry, intellectual, high brow" to describe me and my tastes. >> Well I'd be just about the exact opposite--playful, earthy, low brow. And that would pretty much explain why I laughed all the way through the notorious <>. I especially liked the little X & G fireside chat where Xena's picking lice from her hair and Gabby's tongue goes numb. I also laughed til it hurt when Gabby was leaning over the edge of the bed drooling on the baddie. Another not so popular ep that really appealed to me was <>. It surprised me, not so much that Gabrielle was jealous of Xena's relationship with Lao Ma, but that Xenastaff would unequivocally confirm it. It was a nice follow up to The Debt and I thought Renee and Ted both did some nice work in that ep. And just for the record, <> is one of those eps that I too can enjoy repeatedly. This has been a fun question to think about and discuss. Thanks, Cheryl, for the suggestion. XWPacolyte Cupid and Psyche... Antony and Cleopatra... Xena and Gabrielle. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:11:32 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena question for discussion <> In a message dated 2/10/2002 3:49:28 AM Central Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > I also liked - hugely - You Are There, which is equally 'impossible'. Why > can I accept that when MWF cringes me out? I think it's that YAT is - 90% > > - a 'normal' Xena episode, with just one 'impossible' circumstance - the > presence of Nigel and his camera team. That much I can easily accept and > it's funny. MWF just goes completely overboard in the 'impossibility' > factor and that loses me. > LOL! What can I say? I think it was precisely the "impossibility" of MWF that I relaxed into. For once I didn't even try to find any sense (other than a humorous attempt to deal with some leftover Hope issyews) or worry about some major (intentional or unintentional) new wrinkle. And since my main girl wasn't in, I focused entirely on the other characters, which was interesting for a change. Would I be as openminded to something like MWF if it hadn't been a so-called XWP ep? I doubt it. But once I got over my initial shock, I rolled with it like I usually do. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:11:36 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena question for discussion In a message dated 2/10/2002 1:22:39 PM Central Standard Time, sojourner@paradise.net.nz writes: > At 09:03 10/02/2002 -0500, MelosaQu@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 02/09/2002 3:18:05 PM EST, meth@smoe.org writes: > > > > > Queen Melosa remarked: > > >>To have become so > > >>addicted to a show based on a half seen, goofy episode is beyond > > >>me.....something that is really hard to explain to an non-Xenite, to be > >sure! > > > > > Hey, I became addicted after seing the last act of "The Xena > > >Scrolls". Realizing that the show didn't take itself seriously is what > > got > > >me watching. You're not alone. :) > > > >This is reminding me of another phenomenon in the Xenaverse that I find > >interesting. I don't know if there is a term for it...I haven't been to > the > >Encyclopedia Xenaica in a while....but it seems like every fan of Xena I > have > >talked to, whether it be online or in person, remembers the very first > >episode they ever saw that got them hooked. I mean, I watch other > >shows.....X-Files, Buffy, of course, and consider myself a moderate Trek > fan, > >but I certainly don't remember the very first episode I saw from those > series > >as well as I do from Xena. Even the casual viewer of Xena, who may not > >remember the title of an episode, can still tell you what it was about. > Some > >of us even remember where we were, time of day, time of year, etc. I can > >honestly say, no other show, past or future, can or will bring forth these > >memories! :-) In the words of Mr. Spock..."Fasinating". > > > >Just my thoughts.... > > > I would agree with you. I remember the first ep I saw, which I disliked and > decided not to bother again (Chariots of War). Then I next saw Return of > Callisto and was hooked. Same here, except Chariots stands out for me positively because it was the first ep I caught, while Return of Callisto hooked me for good. I can remember the exact circumstances both times, which I can't say about any other show I've watched regularly. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:27:05 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: [chakram-refugees] TVZone 147/OS: Darius Saw TVZone 147 at Border's-Ward (Honolulu), with a mini-ep guide of Seasons 1 & 2, with mini-pics from each ep sandwiched into the summaries and credits. ;) Quite nice, IMO. ;) They are planning on using XWP as a "cash cow", and releasing ep guides over the next few issues. ;P Also, was watching a rerun of Touched by an Angel on CBS on Sun. and could've _sworn_ I saw Nick Kokotaki? (Darius) from Chariots of War playing Monica's potential love interest. ;) *Ironic*, because if so, he also played Xena's potential love interest in COW. ;) Just FYI, - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:40:27 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Spectrum magazine CherylA wrote: >I think it's worth getting. - --I've got it (#29), and it _is_ worth getting! ;) Got a nice cover photo from A Good Day on the cover, and devotes most of the mag to a review of the show as well as the 6th Season. My one gripe (and I've written Craig Miller, the publisher, about this) is that in the overview of the show, he talks about the martial arts choreography and says it's styled after "_Japanese_ kung fu" films! ;P Talk about a contradiction in terms! Kung Fu is _Chinese_, not Japanese! ;P *sigh* (BTW, it's pronounced "kah-rrah-tay", not "kah-rah-tee", too. ;P ) There are a few other typos in it, but this is the worst. ;( So ends your "Japanese 101" lesson. ;) Just FYI, - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:41:07 EST From: HawkFalco@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Regarding the Encyclopedia Xenaica Snipped without mercy and the original subject changed entirely: In a message dated 2/10/02 2:15:02 PM, IfeRae@aol.com writes: >> This is reminding me of another phenomenon in the Xenaverse that I find >> interesting. I don't know if there is a term for it...I haven't been to >> the Encyclopedia Xenaica in a while.... I do believe that the Encyclopedia Xenaica has gone by the wayside. I have attempted to get into the home page without success. I am pretty sure that my address is current. If any of you Xenites know otherwise please correct me. Interestingly, I was able to get in the "back door" by accessing one of the inner encyclopedia pages and move around the web site that way. I was still unable to get to the home page. I noted that all the entries on the inner pages were current up to but not including "A Friend In Need." It made me wonder if the web mistress of Encyclopedia Xenaica was a sad causality of heart break over the series end in FIN and dropped her project. I know not. Yours in Xena- Hawk ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V2 #38 *************************************