From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V1 #86 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Tuesday, January 1 2002 Volume 01 : Number 086 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [Mark & Deni] [chakram-refugees] <> [Lilli Sprintz ] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [IfeRae@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:32:54 -0600 From: Mark & Denise Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> Cheryl Ande wrote: > @ > @ > @ > @ > > @ > @ > @ > @ > > Orphan Of War is better episode than I rememeber. David Taylor was also > better than I remembered - not overly cute and not obnoxiously smart. He did > have Xena's eyes but I don't think he had Borias's mouth (also just watched > Sin Trade over the holidays). Anyway the actor who played Dagnin was a hoot - > very funny as he made a list and checked it twice about who he was about to > destroy. I forget his name now, but the actor who played Dagnin also played 'Smythe' in 'The Xena Scrolls" and one of the warlords in 'Remember Nothing' -- Krykus I think. He brings a certain... smirkyness... to the bad guy he portrays. > Lucy is very good in this one. Her scene where she give Solon to > Kliapius is very touching and superior to the version in Past Imperfect. Lucy > underplayed Xena's distress perfectly (I thought she overacted in the second > version). I thought this version of her giving Solon away was vastly superior to the later version in Past Imperfect! I thought the halting, unsure, steps she was taking along with the shell-shocked look in her eyes as she walked away from the clearing really seemed to match her distress. If you couple that with the fact [we later found out in 'Past Imperfect'] that she had just before this seen Borias die while trying to get back to both she and their child, it makes the scene even more emotional!! > Gabrielle doesn't do much in this episode, however, there is a lot of irony > in the scene where Gabrielle berates Xena for abandoning Solon even for his > own good. I haven't seen this ep in a while, but I remember some of the interaction between G and Solon where she was bringing up the things that Xena had taught her and what a great friend she was and how that seemed to, perhaps, start to change Solon's mind about Xena. > ROC does a nice job as the cynical slave that Gabby becomes > without Xena to save her. When Gabrielle kills Mezantes there is a malicious > satisfaction about it that forces Xena to return to the present. It isn't > just that Gabrielle kills - it is that she enjoyed the kill that horrorifies > Xena. I though ROC was great in presenting a Gabrielle who has been forced into the real, harsh, world and now had a jaded, suspicious, view of anyone who would want to help her. And the look in Xena's eyes as she saw Gabrielle's satisfied smirk upon killing Mezantes coupled with the sad, resigned, look she gave her brother once she made up her mind she had to change things back.... wow! Mark .... finally getting the hang of responding back to the whole group rather than just the original poster! ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 01:29:21 -0600 From: Lilli Sprintz Subject: [chakram-refugees] <> >Cheryl Ande said, > > >Orphan Of War is better episode than I rememeber...the actor who played Dagnin was a hoot - very funny as he made a list and checked it twice about who he was about to destroy. > Yes, I've always been amazed at how the writers (producers? directors?) add these little tid-bits of funny into otherwise very serious situations, as they did with this. >Lucy is very good in this one. Her scene where she give Solon to >Kliapius is very touching and superior to the version in Past Imperfect. Lucy underplayed Xena's distress perfectly (I thought she overacted in the second version). > Now that you mention it, I've been confused for the last couple years about the way the 2nd version was filmed. The only rationale I could come up with to help me make sense of it was that Xena was reinterpreting her own memories from a different place in her life, the two different times she "looked back" at them. >it is perhaps the only time in the series that Xena actually runs from her adversey - her ten yearold son scares her speechless. > Robert Weisbrot, in his book about the first two years' episodes, quoted Lucy Lawless as saying that when she was thinking through what Xena would be "thinking" or feeling after giving up her son, that she would be running off to the bushes somewhere to throw up. On that pleasant note..... LS ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:31:03 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> In a message dated 12/31/01 1:30:30 AM Central Standard Time, spri0037@tc.umn.edu writes: << Now that you mention it, I've been confused for the last couple years about the way the 2nd version was filmed. The only rationale I could come up with to help me make sense of it was that Xena was reinterpreting her own memories from a different place in her life, the two different times she "looked back" at them. >> Yes, I wondered about that too. I couldn't believe no Xenastaff remembered the previous version and didn't consider consistency. But the Xena who recalled it the first time was very different, with possibly less ability to deal with the emotional aspects of what she did -- other than remembering that she threw up, which is exactly the impression I got. She also had more self-hate. The more emotionally liberated Xena could probably handle her true feelings, including the willingness to almost beg someone "better" to take her son. Whatever, I liked the different perceptions and thought them realistic in terms of how we view events differently at different times in our lives. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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